If Josh did not want to extend his contract and potentially leave, would you blame him?

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

Forgive the offseason post, but this thought crossed my mind last night, so flame appropriately.  

 

It's hard for me to argue that Josh has been let down by the defense in key games, especially the playoffs.  You could also say that the Bills were outcoached in most of their playoff losses.  Add in being in the same conference as the Ravens, Bengals, Chiefs, and other improving AFC teams, it's not going to get any easier soon.

 

With being from the west coast and being engaged to a movie star, is it crazy to think it might make more sense for him to want to play out his contract and join a team like the Rams?  He would immediately become the NFL king of LA, have an offensive minded coach, and be closer to home.  I think his chances to get a ring would greatly improve, and he'd get to play in a dome where he excels.

 

To be clear, I don't want any of this to happen.  But if it did, I don't think I could really blame him.  Yes, the Bills took a chance on him, but he was still a top 10 pick and has paid the team and city back well beyond that.  I would hate it, but I would still support him. 

 

Pegula would do whatever it took to make him happy. If he said "I can't work with this Head Coach and/or General Manager and I want out" - they're gone. When I see people talk about firing McDermott or Beane lately, I often say that the only way that would happen is if Josh says it's either them or me. 

 

I really don't see Josh being the type of guy to just decide "I want to leave Buffalo to become the King of LA". He's a private guy who doesn't like media attention. He loves it here. Hailee loves it here. 

 

Who knows what the future holds at the end of his career. But right now, in his prime, I don't see this as anything more than a bad dream that you wake up from.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Wait, what exactly is this text we are talking about? 

Coleman said Allen texted him before the draft and said “you’re the WR I want”.

 

There is also more. We talk about Worthy and McConkey, but Allen said Coleman fit our WR room because we had smaller guys and he was a bigger guy that could go get the ball.

 

Allen was very involved in picking his WR. 

[msw2112]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

It's amazing how the Bills went after the guy Josh supposedly wanted, but could still get him by trading down twice.  

 

Bills PR team really amazing setting narratives the fans will believe at all costs. 

 

I don't understand the argument or conspiracy theory.

 

If the Bills wanted Worthy, they would have drafted him.

 

If the Bills wanted Legette, they would have drafted him.

 

If the Bills wanted McConkey or one of the later-drafted guys, that's who they would have drafted.

 

It seems pretty clear that Coleman was the guy they wanted, so that's who they drafted.  Whether it was the correct choice is another story.  I still think that time will tell. 

 

I don't think the Bills PR team created any false narratives to sell the "gullible" fanbase.  I don't believe that if Allen said "that's the guy I want" that the Bills would have automatically drafted Coleman.  I think it's reasonable, knowing that WR was the #1 priority, that the franchise QB had some conversations with the coach and/or GM about who they might draft, and maybe Allen liked the idea of drafting Coleman.  Coleman was seen by most draft experts as a player that would be drafted somewhere between mid-first-round and mid-second-round and that's exactly where he was drafted.  There may have been multiple WRs that Allen liked.  Most QBs on a WR-needy team would be excited about drafting ANY WR in the top 50 picks, provided that the player was not a reach and Coleman at 33 was not a reach.

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Pegula would do whatever it took to make him happy. If he said "I can't work with this Head Coach and/or General Manager and I want out" - they're gone. When I see people talk about firing McDermott or Beane lately, I often say that the only way that would happen is if Josh says it's either them or me. 

 

I really don't see Josh being the type of guy to just decide "I want to leave Buffalo to become the King of LA". He's a private guy who doesn't like media attention. He loves it here. Hailee loves it here. 

 

Who knows what the future holds at the end of his career. But right now, in his prime, I don't see this as anything more than a bad dream that you wake up from.

 

I've actually wondered about that.  If Josh wanted to pull an Aaron Rodgers, would Terry cave.  

 

Granted, Josh would never do that, but still would be interesting.  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Coleman said Allen texted him before the draft and said “you’re the WR I want”.

 

There is also more. We talk about Worthy and McConkey, but Allen said Coleman fit our WR room because we had smaller guys and he was a bigger guy that could go get the ball.

 

Allen was very involved in picking his WR. 

 

Somehow I had never seen that. Thx.  [EDIT: But what else is he going to say?]

 

Now, let’s just hope it works! Or maybe some 5th round flyer we take turns into a Pro Bowler. You need luck in games, but you also need luck in drafts.

 

 

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Edited February 20 by Augie

[Virgil]

Just now, msw2112 said:

 

I don't understand the argument or conspiracy theory.

 

If the Bills wanted Worthy, they would have drafted him.

 

If the Bills wanted Legette, they would have drafted him.

 

If the Bills wanted McConkey or one of the later-drafted guys, that's who they would have drafted.

 

It seems pretty clear that Coleman was the guy they wanted, so that's who they drafted.  Whether it was the correct choice is another story.  I still think that time will tell. 

 

I don't think the Bills PR team created any false narratives to sell the "gullible" fanbase.  I don't believe that if Allen said "that's the guy I want" that the Bills would have automatically drafted Coleman.  I think it's reasonable, knowing that WR was the #1 priority, that the franchise QB had some conversations with the coach and/or GM about who they might draft, and maybe Allen liked the idea of drafting Coleman.  Coleman was seen by most draft experts as a player that would be drafted somewhere between mid-first-round and mid-second-round and that's exactly where he was drafted.  There may have been multiple WRs that Allen liked.  Most QBs on a WR-needy team would be excited about drafting ANY WR in the top 50 picks, provided that the player was not a reach and Coleman at 33 was not a reach.

 

I wonder if they liked multiple guys, and since there were still 3 of them there, they were okay trading down knowing one would still be there.

 

In hindsight, I'm fine with who they drafted.  I would have loved Brian Thomas, but we weren't about to trade up.  I don't think Brady would have known how to utilize Worthy.

[Freddie's Dead]

No.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

He has the Bills mentality.  He knows how much the fans are behind him here, what they did for his grandmother and such.  He’ll be here long term.

 

And as much as we all love Josh, and we all do, it is a fact that in the last two playoff games he had the ball in his hands with a chance to win and didn’t.  Not all his fault of course but the stuff about it just being coaching or defense or anything but Josh is old.  It is on the organization as a whole including Josh and he’s the first one to say that.

I agree with your first sentence then you have to go and ruin it with your last paragraph.  

 

Sure, Allen had the ball in his hands those last two games but in the NFL you shouldn't miss 44 yard FG's and drop passes that hit your hands.  Sorry, but poor defense has been the key reason the Bills have lost each of their last 5 playoff games. Not the only reason but the main reason.

 

So while I believe like you that Allen has no intention of forcing his way out anytime soon and that he wants to deliver a SB to Buffalo more then anything else, let's see how things look in three years if the Bills continue to exit the playoffs playing bad defense and no one else making a play at a critical time in the game.

 

 

[Homey D. Clown]

not in the least.  it'll be his best chance for a championship.

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Also I'd say the last two years the offense has had the ball with a chance to win the playoff game and hasn't got it done. I don't think that is primarily on Josh but as the Quarterback you own some of that.

Myopic view in my opinion.

Offense scored 29 points this year, and would have had 27 point last year if Bass didn't shank the kick. 

Scoring 29 points wins you most playoff games. Giving up 27+ points loses you most playoff games.

Having the ball last doesn't change that.

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

not in the least.  it'll be his best chance for a championship.

 

His best chance to win a championship is to leave?  Does the destination matter? Or are you just mad? 

 

 

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Edited February 20 by Augie

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Einstein said:

Myopic view in my opinion.

Offense scored 29 points this year, and would have had 27 point last year if Bass didn't shank the kick. 

Scoring 29 points wins you most playoff games. Giving up 27+ points loses you most playoff games.

Having the ball last doesn't change that.

 

I'm not saying the offense is the reason we lost. But when you have an elite QB and you have the ball last needing a touchdown to win you are supposed to get that done at least 1/2. I don't put it on Josh that we haven't but he is part of an offense that two years in a row has not made that count. I don't think because the defense has been bad in those games you can discount those missed opportunities. 

[Beast]

Your posts are even worse than your calls to WGR.

[GreggTX]

Yes. 100%.

[Fan in Chicago]

I am a Bills fan first, then a Josh Allen fan. If he chose to go to a team with an easier path to a Superbowl win in the next few years, absolutely I would not like it. If he won a couple with the bills and then did a Brady or Manning move to a Superbowl ready team when he is 40, I wouldn't mind that 

[Victory Formation]

If Josh Allen did that, he would be spitting on the face of every teammate and friend that he’s ever had within the organization.

[White Linen]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Blame him? I am not sure I'd blame anyone. 

 

Do I think it is a quitter's mentality? Y

 

Also I'd say the last two years the offense has had the ball with a chance to win the playoff game and hasn't got it done. I don't think that is primarily on Josh but as the Quarterback you own some of that.

 

You can keep spewing this BS and I'm going to keep challenging it.  You're a blame Josh too kind of guy and I find it preposterous.  Then you blame Beane.  Yet McD gets this weird pass from you.

 

Josh didn't lose the KC game as much as Hurts didn't win the KC game.  Coaching matters and ours fall short.  That Eagles game plan was the reason.  Josh is our reason and McD's playoff woes fall short.

[Homey D. Clown]

35 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

His best chance to win a championship is to leave?  Does the destination matter? Or are you just mad? 

 

 

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yes. yes.  And possibly, but not about this.

[machine gun kelly]

6 hours ago, Virgil said:

Forgive the offseason post, but this thought crossed my mind last night, so flame appropriately.  

 

It's hard for me to argue that Josh has been let down by the defense in key games, especially the playoffs.  You could also say that the Bills were outcoached in most of their playoff losses.  Add in being in the same conference as the Ravens, Bengals, Chiefs, and other improving AFC teams, it's not going to get any easier soon.

 

With being from the west coast and being engaged to a movie star, is it crazy to think it might make more sense for him to want to play out his contract and join a team like the Rams?  He would immediately become the NFL king of LA, have an offensive minded coach, and be closer to home.  I think his chances to get a ring would greatly improve, and he'd get to play in a dome where he excels.

 

To be clear, I don't want any of this to happen.  But if it did, I don't think I could really blame him.  Yes, the Bills took a chance on him, but he was still a top 10 pick and has paid the team and city back well beyond that.  I would hate it, but I would still support him. 

Virg, he’s not going anywhere.  Don’t let your imagination get the best if you.  You’re one if the best posters on this board, and you know I think the world of you.

[GunnerBill]

28 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

You can keep spewing this BS and I'm going to keep challenging it.  You're a blame Josh too kind of guy and I find it preposterous.  Then you blame Beane.  Yet McD gets this weird pass from you.

 

Josh didn't lose the KC game as much as Hurts didn't win the KC game.  Coaching matters and ours fall short.  That Eagles game plan was the reason.  Josh is our reason and McD's playoff woes fall short.

 

I an NOT a blame Josh guy. That is total and utter horse crap. 

 

It is just that label gets attached to anyone trying to have a reasonable conversation based on reality. 

 

I was PLENTY critical of the coaching in the Kansas City game and particularly the defensive gameplan. But if every post isn't "fire the coach" people accuse you of giving them a pass. Again... horse crap.