Potential Cap Casualties 2025

[bigK14094]

3 hours ago, Steptide said:

Imo, von is gone minus a very team friendly restructure, which wouldn't be a terrible idea 

Von is physically an old man.  He picked up that fumble and ran 40s yards w it late season.The DL guys behind him wanted to push him along he was so slow.  If the D line guys are all faster than him...we need an upgrade.  He is getting by on his many years of experience.  I mean, he is a pro on the far end of a career that was magnificent, but he shouldn't be on the roster.  Pay him off.....post June 1 saves more money I think.  Draft a young stud to backup our two starters at lb.  Maybe even two.  (I still like Dorian, blazing speed.)

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Von is physically an old man.  He picked up that fumble and ran 40s yards w it late season.The DL guys behind him wanted to push him along he was so slow.  If the D line guys are all faster than him...we need an upgrade.  He is getting by on his many years of experience.  I mean, he is a pro on the far end of a career that was magnificent, but he shouldn't be on the roster.  Pay him off.....post June 1 saves more money I think.  Draft a young stud to backup our two starters at lb.  Maybe even two.  (I still like Dorian, blazing speed.)

 

If you wait to June 1st you have to carry his whole cap during the spring.  They need some of that money for FA IMO.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

I feel like far too many people see our own players through rose colored glasses. Daquan Jones is a great example of Bill Walsh’s belief that he’d rather move on from a player a year too soon than a year too late. He should not have been resigned last year and now we’re stuck with a rapidly declining and old DT being paid starter money. 
 

We’re keeping AJE, Bass (unless he craps the bed in TC), McGovern, and Jones. Possibly Lewis because TJ is showing signs of his body breaking down and Lewis is familiar with that specific NCB/in-the-box Safety/mini LB role. 
 

Miller, Rapp, Trubisky, and Martin must be moved on from at their current numbers. Miller is a shell of his former self. Rapp’s playing style combined with his inability to absorb his own punishment means he’s a backup - at best. Trubisky can stay on a vet minimum salary. Martin can be replaced with a lower cap hit player. 
 

And, again, the only 3rd rounder that would be involved with a David Edwards trade is us including our 3rd round pick to get someone to take his salary. Watch the AFCCG - he was bad. 

 

I think 3rd rounder is too much obviously... but he played 1000 snaps for one of the better offenses, and offensive lines, in the NFL.  There's a market for his services, and he is a starter for many teams in the league.  

 

 

[Einstein's Dog]

I think Von needs a restructure or out.  Jones can go.  Maybe Martin.

 

Tradeable Edwards, AJE and J Cook

[Snappysnackcakes]

12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If you wait to June 1st you have to carry his whole cap during the spring.  They need some of that money for FA IMO.

You don’t have to wait until 6/1. You can cut him with a 6/1 DESIGNATION before that. Think T White last year. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

You don’t have to wait until 6/1. You can cut him with a 6/1 DESIGNATION before that. Think T White last year. 

 

Yes, I know.  BUT the team would have to carry his complete cap hit until June.

Cut him in March so the cap savings can be used in FA.

[jkeerie]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Yes, I know.  BUT the team would have to carry his complete cap hit until June.

Cut him in March so the cap savings can be used in FA.

Perhaps they can free up money with restructures or extensions.  It all depends on which FAs they want to go after.

[Ralonzo]

5 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

After putting together the list, I can see why the RDC focused on Edwards.  A potential $3-4 million dollar savings is worth exploring if management feels Anderson, Grable or SVPG is truly ready to start.  As the article pointed out Edwards was the 6th OL in 2023 before starting.  Maybe Anderson is ready to replace him after being the 6th OL in 2024.  The real question is do we really want to mess with one of the strengths of the roster?

 

I'm curious to see if the Bills strongest OL config is Anderson at C and McG back at LG. He was a plus at C in '24 but was plus-plus at G in '23. Of course then you'd be bringing in Grable or Van Demark for jumbo sets.

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

My hope is they do move on from both, because if forces them to put most of the offseason capital into the DL.

With the OL, Beane signed McGovern and Edwards and then went and drafted Torrence and a flyer on Broeker,

in a draft of only 6 players.

 

Broeker was a solid value, most years he'd have made the team. He was worlds better than Quessenberry and Boettger in preseason, he just didn't look as good as Anderson did. The Texans nabbed him off waivers and he's still there.

Edited Wednesday at 09:29 PM by Ralonzo

[Snappysnackcakes]

28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Yes, I know.  BUT the team would have to carry his complete cap hit until June.

Cut him in March so the cap savings can be used in FA.

And this is why teams sign draft picks in June. 

[BlueRed]

Trubisky is an easy cut but I wonder if they keep him through the offseason and preseason. 
I think part of the allure for the bills to having vet QB backups is having them help organize offseason throwing sessions and such with the team, like when Davis Webb was on the team. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Snappysnackcakes said:

And this is why teams sign draft picks in June. 

 

True.  Although the Top 51 cap limit is not affected much by draft picks.  Temas need that cap space for FA the most.

The Bills typically need only $2M to sign their draft picks.

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

I think teams would be lining up to offer at least a 6th for Edwards. Did you see what the chiefs put out there at left guard the final month. 

Only because they were forced to put their true LG at LT.

27 minutes ago, BlueRed said:

Trubisky is an easy cut but I wonder if they keep him through the offseason and preseason. 
I think part of the allure for the bills to having vet QB backups is having them help organize offseason throwing sessions and such with the team, like when Davis Webb was on the team. 

Don't forget we did extend Mike White in the middle of the season.

[KOKBILLS]

5 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Cutting Jones saves $1.7M. Do you really think we can get someone better for that kind of money? I'd wait and see if we can land spm cheap FA or draft someone.

 

@GASabresIUFan I am not and expert, but I don't think Von's numbers are correct. Those are numbers before incentives which he has reached. I guess that they will increase dead cap. Someone will surely educate me

I have not read through the whole thread in case this was answered...

Per Spotrac...

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Besides the obvious cutting or restructuring of Von Miller, who are the other potential cap casualties?

 

The Rochester paper thinks David Edwards could be cut.  https://www.democratandchronicle.com/sports/
 

Their rationale is with a $4.9 mill price tag and only 875K dead cap if released he’s a likely candidate because of young talented depth on the roster like Anderson, SVPG, and Grable.  IMHO this is an unnecessary risk to the strength of the roster.  I also think if they wanted to open a space for one of the kids, Edwards would be traded, not released.  The Bills received a 5th for Bates last year and he wasn’t even a starter.  Surely Edwards is worth a 3rd rd pick.  Given our lack of a 3rd rd pick in the draft, a trade makes significantly more sense.  
 

Other potential cap casualties (I’m not saying any of these are likely, just possible)

Miller - Cap 23.814 Dead Cap 15.417 - Savings 8.397
D. Jones - Cap 9.408. Dead Cap 7.632 - Savings 1.776

McGovern - Cap 9.385 Dead Cap 7.74 - Savings 1.645

AJE - Cap 7.487 Dead Cap 4.1.48 - Saving 3.339

Edwards - Cap 4.905 Dead Cap .875 - Savings 4.03

Bass - Cap 4.67 Dead Cap 3.06 - Savings 1.61

Rapp - Cap 3.667 Dead Cap 1.333 - Savings 2.334

Trubisky - Cap 3.25 Dead Cap .750 - Savings 2.50

Martin - Cap 2.485 Dead Cap .400 - Savings 2.085

Lewis - Cap 1.969 Dead Cap .213 - Savings 1.756

 

Obviously most of these cuts won’t occur, but Beane could restructure guys like McGovern or Jones through a void year or two to create more current savings and push the kick down the road.  
 

Also some of the cuts create little savings when you factor in the cost of the replacement.  For example Martin (P) who was solid last year costs 2.485.  His dead cap is 400K, but Camarda, a potential replacement on the roster costs 1.1 mill.  The net savings is less than $1 mill.  Not sure it’s worth the hassle unless Camarda really outkicks him in the pre-season.  

After putting together the list, I can see why the RDC focused on Edwards.  A potential $3-4 million dollar savings is worth exploring if management feels Anderson, Grable or SVPG is truly ready to start.  As the article pointed out Edwards was the 6th OL in 2023 before starting.  Maybe Anderson is ready to replace him after being the 6th OL in 2024.  The real question is do we really want to mess with one of the strengths of the roster?

 

You don't touch anyone on what is considered one of the best OL's in the NFL and the best of Josh's career. Hell No.

[GASabresIUFan]

21 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

You don't touch anyone on what is considered one of the best OL's in the NFL and the best of Josh's career. Hell No.

That’s what we said last year.   Beane then traded Bates, dumped Morse, moved McGovern to center and moved Edwards into the starting lineup and created the best line we’ve had despite a very very good year in 2023.  He also eliminated most of the experienced depth and went with a bunch of kids as depth and they played well. 
 

That said, I am generally in agreement with you, but Beane is not predictable.  

[ganesh]

6 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

I understand.  

 

I just feel like after they cut him they are going to be looking for a guy just like him on a 1 year cheap deal.  Kind of like what they have in him already.

 

Maybe they cut him and use the money to bring back smoot and then draft two young dt's.  

 

I won't be shocked if they cut him for sure.  

Even if they draft a guy similar to him, they want to see better performance. They know what they have in Jones.  They need to see something different.

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I'd cut Von and Daquan because I think they are done basically. I'd consider cutting AJE too but possibly not until after the draft. I wouldn't cut Edwards.

I'm cutting all 4. Edwards did not play well against the Chiefs. The AJE extension was stupid. And yes Von and DQ are done. We can bring up the young OL depth at guard. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

25 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

That’s what we said last year.   Beane then traded Bates, dumped Morse, moved McGovern to center and moved Edwards into the starting lineup and created the best line we’ve had despite a very very good year in 2023.  He also eliminated most of the experienced depth and went with a bunch of kids as depth and they played well. 
 

That said, I am generally in agreement with you, but Beane is not predictable.  

I see your point, but I argue we finally got the OL set so I want to keep the consistency. 

[JerseyBills]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I said at the time it was too rich for my blood. When the wall comes for the big men it tends to come fast.

 

If you are going after a big fish in the edge pool via trade or FA you cut AJE and put that money towards it. If you are relying on drafting a rookie at that spot you keep him. 

 

That is the calculation for me.

Ya, only thing you could hang your hate on is he stayed healthy. But definitely agree, it comes fast for the big guys, I think it'd be worth keeping him this year, the savings are too low and he'll at least be a serviceable rational DT, hopefully Carter and a rookie or 2 make the leap. 

Draft is deep with DTs, hopefully we can find a difference maker that can also get the best out of Oliver

[LEBills]

If we trade Elam before 6/1 we save 2.5 mill.

 

Would some team take Elam and a 6th for a 7th rounder?

Edited yesterday at 02:27 AM by LEBills