Potential Cap Casualties 2025

[MikePJ76]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I think it might be that Anderson is a better G than Edwards.  If Anderson starts, then Edwards is pretty expensive as a backup.

The thing is these "younger" guys are not that young.  Anderson is 26 and Van Demark is 27.

If McGovern is going to get another contract, then Edwards is 100% gone next year anyways.

 

All this makes me think something is going to happen with the IOLs this spring, especially if the Bills see a couple of IOL prospects in Day 3

of the draft.

that is possible.

 

One of the biggest mistakes a lot of teams make is thinking they are deep at a position and moving guys for mid to late round picks.  Then they end up with injuries and are chasing the position during the season.

 

O-lineman can play while.  I still consider 26 and 27 young for those positions when have had almost no experience.

 

I guess I just don't want them to weaken a positional group that is strength because you never know what can happen.

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

It’s easy to say to dump Jones and Miller, but then they have to be replaced. If Beane & Co think they are done as NFL players then moving on is the right thing to do regardless on cap hits.  However, Miller was effective last season in a situational role and we don’t have an obvious successor.  Solomon showed some effectiveness, but had significant tackling issues and I’m not sure he’s any better than Miller.  Jones had a mediocre season, but Carter didn’t look a replacement which means Beane will have to also find a FA to replace him or start a rookie from the draft. I’d move on from AJE before Jones or Miller.   
 

Fixing the DL will be critical this offseason.  Beane is going to have to make the right moves like he did with the Oline last year.  

 

My hope is they do move on from both, because if forces them to put most of the offseason capital into the DL.

With the OL, Beane signed McGovern and Edwards and then went and drafted Torrence and a flyer on Broeker,

in a draft of only 6 players.

 

Beane has to sign 2-3 FAs AND draft another 2-3.

I could be 100% wrong, but they need to move on from Miller and Jones this year and AJE next year.

IMO.

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Those numbers are directly from Spotrac and the 8.4 savings before June 1 has been widely reported.

I know it is from Sportrac. But same numbers were or Sportrac half a year ago.

 

Same Sportrac says he gained $4M incentive for 6 sacks this season. Those $4M have to affect his cap hit somehow. I don't know how, but I have doubts about current number.

 

@Tuco?

[RyanC883]

AJE is a cut candidate depending on the draft and Garrett.  

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I said at the time it was too rich for my blood. When the wall comes for the big men it tends to come fast.

 

If you are going after a big fish in the edge pool via trade or FA you cut AJE and put that money towards it. If you are relying on drafting a rookie at that spot you keep him. 

 

That is the calculation for me.

 

I'm feeling like a 1st round DE may be able to replace AJE.  Won't be a consistent performer, but neither is AJE.  Ideally get Garrett and draft someone.  

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

that is possible.

 

One of the biggest mistakes a lot of teams make is thinking they are deep at a position and moving guys for mid to late round picks.  Then they end up with injuries and are chasing the position during the season.

 

O-lineman can play while.  I still consider 26 and 27 young for those positions when have had almost no experience.

 

I guess I just don't want them to weaken a positional group that is strength because you never know what can happen.

 

I guess it ends up with Edwards' future.  I think he is a good LG.  The thing is with the current big OT contracts it comes down to

whether or not McGovern gets another contract at C.  IF that happens, I can't see Edwards getting another at G.

 

Now, if the plan is to move on from McGovern with SVPG then I would think Edwards is still in consideration for another contract. 

[Big Blitz]

In no way am I cutting anyone on the Oline if anything maybe extend Edwards and McGovern if it’s team friendly and frees up cap.  
 

Allen just got the best Oline play of his career why mess with that - it’s one of the best in the league.  


 

Vonn is the only one.  That contract was always structured to be essentially a 3 year deal.  

[Cray51]

40 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

We got a 5th for Bates last year and he was a backup with a $4 mill cap hit. Edwards is a starter and $4.9 is a relative bargain for a starting guard.  I suggested a 3rd for him in the OP and would be very disappointed if we got less than a 4th for him.  

Agreed, but if you are sitting there in camp and the best offer you get is a lower 4th, you take the deal and save the money.

 

I think Edwards is a good player, but he is insulated by Dawkins who plays on an island and McGovern.  Those guys are both strong for their position and mask Edwards a touch.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

AJE is a cut candidate depending on the draft and Garrett.  

 

I'm feeling like a 1st round DE may be able to replace AJE.  Won't be a consistent performer, but neither is AJE.  Ideally get Garrett and draft someone.  

 

Yea but I don't think you cut AJE if you are going with a rookie. He is useable vet depth. You only move him on to help you afford a vet upgrade IMO.

Edited Wednesday at 07:20 PM by GunnerBill

[Matt_In_NH]

42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s our most consistent OG right now. Extend him a year or 2. Sign Alec Anderson next year. Then decide on what OGs to keep in 2 years. Torrence isn’t a lock to me. His price tag will be a lot higher than the other two and I don’t know if he’s worth it yet. No need to create a possible problem.

 

If a team wants Edwards as part of a trade for a bigger piece or to move up then I would consider it. 
 

Another thing is we’ve been extremely lucky with injuries on the OL. I would rather have Alec Anderson ready to go off the bench.

Unlike what people seem to think the Bills are very tight vs the cap and they don't have as much manipulation available this year.   Extending Edwards kicks the can down the road for a JAG OG, I dont think that is a good move...you limit yourself tomorrow for not a good reason.   I think he is easily replaceable.   You draft and develop for a reason....when will Grable or Anderson get their shot if everyone is extended?

[Matt_In_NH]

51 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

We got a 5th for Bates last year and he was a backup with a $4 mill cap hit. Edwards is a starter and $4.9 is a relative bargain for a starting guard.  I suggested a 3rd for him in the OP and would be very disappointed if we got less than a 4th for him.  

The year of the pick also matters, meaning this years 5th is better than next years 5th.  I could see a 4(next year) or 5(this year)....I don't think you are getting a day 2 pick for a one year average OG.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Unlike what people seem to think the Bills are very tight vs the cap and they don't have as much manipulation available this year.   Extending Edwards kicks the can down the road for a JAG OG, I dont think that is a good move...you limit yourself tomorrow for not a good reason.   I think he is easily replaceable.   You draft and develop for a reason....when will Grable or Anderson get their shot if everyone is extended?

 

Kick the can down the road. It’s not a big can. Kick it. Edwards is a Kromer guy. There’s no reason not to extend him.  Keep the OL a strength. Anderson is locked in.

Edited Wednesday at 07:30 PM by Buffalo_Stampede

[GolfandBills]

A simple restructuring of Oliver’s deal creates 10 million cap savings 

[GASabresIUFan]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea but I don't think you cut AJE if you are going with a rookie. He is useable vet depth. You only move him on to help you afford a vet upgrade IMO.

except he was terrible last year to such an extent McD benched him on obvious passing downs.  That makes him useless imho.  

 

I also think AJE needs to go as the Bills must bring in someone better (such as Crosby, Garrett etc..) to improve QB pressure.   

 

As to the cap, Joe B at the Athletic has a really good article discussing creating about 37 mill in cap space through mostly contract restructuring with only Miller as a potential cap casualty. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6112793/2025/02/05/bills-2025-offseason-roster-salary-cap/

 

 

[Charles Romes]

I think teams would be lining up to offer at least a 6th for Edwards. Did you see what the chiefs put out there at left guard the final month. 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

except he was terrible last year to such an extent McD benched him on obvious passing downs.  That makes him useless imho.  

 

I also think AJE needs to go as the Bills must bring in someone better (such as Crosby, Garrett etc..) to improve QB pressure.   

 

As to the cap, Joe B at the Athletic has a really good article discussing creating about 37 mill in cap space through mostly contract restructuring with only Miller as a potential cap casualty. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6112793/2025/02/05/bills-2025-offseason-roster-salary-cap/

 

 

You cut AJE if you can afford a vet upgrade. You keep him if you are attacking the position with a rookie.

[GASabresIUFan]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You cut AJE if you can afford a vet upgrade. You keep him if you are attacking the position with a rookie.

Still no.  He was that bad.

[GETTOTHE50]

I know it’s not going to happen, but I want a completely brand new defensive ends (yes groot can go) and two big disgustingly ugly smelly as all hell 1Ts.

 

 

[Negan]

Knox

Epenesa

Von

...I'll be ready to get rid of Kincaid too in the near future

[Magox]

Trubisky

Von

Daquan

 

But we will need to substantively replace Von, he was the Bills most valuable efficient pass rusher.

 

DaQuan looks to be about finished, he has rapidly declined over the past year

3 minutes ago, Negan said:

Knox

Epenesa

Von

...I'll be ready to get rid of Kincaid too in the near future

I think they can get Knox to take another pay cut

[Snappysnackcakes]

I feel like far too many people see our own players through rose colored glasses. Daquan Jones is a great example of Bill Walsh’s belief that he’d rather move on from a player a year too soon than a year too late. He should not have been resigned last year and now we’re stuck with a rapidly declining and old DT being paid starter money. 
 

We’re keeping AJE, Bass (unless he craps the bed in TC), McGovern, and Jones. Possibly Lewis because TJ is showing signs of his body breaking down and Lewis is familiar with that specific NCB/in-the-box Safety/mini LB role. 
 

Miller, Rapp, Trubisky, and Martin must be moved on from at their current numbers. Miller is a shell of his former self. Rapp’s playing style combined with his inability to absorb his own punishment means he’s a backup - at best. Trubisky can stay on a vet minimum salary. Martin can be replaced with a lower cap hit player. 
 

And, again, the only 3rd rounder that would be involved with a David Edwards trade is us including our 3rd round pick to get someone to take his salary. Watch the AFCCG - he was bad.