Defensive Tackle: Is it the Players or the System?

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

None of those guys are better than Oliver. Oliver is as explosive as it gets from a 3 tech archetype. The problem is a formidable NT 

To bad we only see the explosiveness only handful of times in most of his seasons. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Jim Schwartz defense was over aggressive in Buffalo that couldn't stop the run when it mattered 

 

All the sack numbers didn't mean anything when they were undisciplined when it mattered most 

 

Literally an Oakland raiders team with one of the worst offenses in the NFL put up 140 rushing yards and like 350 total with the season on the line

Didn't a Jim Schwartz D win a Superbowl with the Eagles in 2017 ? I yes he did that's what more then Mcd can ever say. 

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

None of those guys are better than Oliver. Oliver is as explosive as it gets from a 3 tech archetype. The problem is a formidable NT 

It's always someone else's fault Oliver is not great. Again who plays next to Simmons, Lawrence or Wilkens I'll wait. 

[Kelly to Allen]

19 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

To bad we only see the explosiveness only handful of times in most of his seasons. 

 

That is a fair point. He doesn't play up to his athletic abilities and talent consistently. I think a lot of that is he doesn't have a true enforcer at nt next to him tho. 

 

But maybe that's where I'm wrong. If he needs that type of upgrade next to him, maybe he's not as talented as I think.... It's a tough question 

10 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Didn't a Jim Schwartz D win a Superbowl with the Eagles in 2017 ? I yes he did that's what more then Mcd can ever say. 

It's always someone else's fault Oliver is not great. Again who plays next to Simmons, Lawrence or Wilkens I'll wait. 

 

Your point is totally fair. He's too inconsistent. But his flashes are incredible. I just wish we saw it more 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

3 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

That is a fair point. He doesn't play up to his athletic abilities and talent consistently. I think a lot of that is he doesn't have a true enforcer at nt next to him tho. 

 

But maybe that's where I'm wrong. If he needs that type of upgrade next to him, maybe he's not as talented as I think.... It's a tough question 

 

Your point is totally fair. He's too inconsistent. But his flashes are incredible. I just wish we saw it more 

He can definitely be better with an enforcer next to him there's no doubt about that . My point is the Alpha dogs in the middle are those enforcers. I can care less about sack numbers a great DT can command attention get double and triple teamed and still effect the game and open it up for players around him. We need to find a steal wall that plays next to Oliver I agree 💯 with you . 

 

I hope McBeane recognizes there inability to draft an alpha pass rusher and gives up whatever necessary to get Garret in a Bills uniform plus they need to sign that wall we're talking about BJ Hill or Tadderal Slayton would be a good addition. 

 

Groot, Slayton, Oliver, Garrett that's a damn good line and I would even do more then that go after Azeez Ojulari and Malcom Koonce to come off the bench. This Dline needs a fresh reboot let Von, Epeneza and Jp go. I also would love to see Solomon get more playing time next yr. 

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Didn't a Jim Schwartz D win a Superbowl with the Eagles in 2017 ? I yes he did that's what more then Mcd can ever say. 

It's always someone else's fault Oliver is not great. Again who plays next to Simmons, Lawrence or Wilkens I'll wait. 

Nick foles and Brad Johnson have a super bowl too lol

 

Are they better than Josh Allen and Jim Kelly and Dan Marino lol

[FireChans]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Nick foles and Brad Johnson have a super bowl too lol

 

Are they better than Josh Allen and Jim Kelly and Dan Marino lol

Schwartz 2017 D was #1 against the rush lol.

 

it was a bad take. It’s ok

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Nick foles and Brad Johnson have a super bowl too lol

 

Are they better than Josh Allen and Jim Kelly and Dan Marino lol

I'll take Jim Schwartz D over McDermott legendarily bad postseason D anyday

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Schwartz 2017 D was #1 against the rush lol.

 

it was a bad take. It’s ok

What does that have to do with the bills Rush defense when he was here? 

 

His defense here was top five too and it's collapsed when it mattered.. as I said it allowed 360 yards to a bottom feeding Oakland team with a bottom five offense..  allowed like 140 rushing yards with the season on the line 

 

His defense also allowed 613 yards in the super bowl against the Patriots.. it's not like when Bill belichick shut down the greatest show on turf 

 

His defense literally got carved up like Swiss cheese

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I'll take Jim Schwartz D over McDermott legendarily bad postseason D anyday

Jim Schwartz's defense gave up 615 yards to the Patriots in the super bowl lol

 

It's not like Bill belichick's defense shutting down the greatest show on turf lol

 

His defense was Swiss cheese in the super bowl 

 

If McDermott gave up 600 yards to the Chiefs oh my goodness

Edited 22 hours ago by Buffalo716

[TheFunPolice]

They're constantly telling guys to slim down, which is a problem.

 

But then they do sign guys like Phillips, so I don't know what to make of it. 

 

Next time I see McDermott in Wegmans I'm going to beg him to draft a massive DT

Edited 21 hours ago by TheFunPolice

[Buffalo_Stampede]

19 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

They're constantly telling guys to slim down, which is a problem.

 

But then they do sign guys like Phillips, so I don't know what to make of it. 

 

Next time I see McDermott in Wegmans I'm going to beg him to draft a massive DT

I feel like they want players that are multiple a little too much.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

His defense here was top five too and it's collapsed when it mattered.. as I said it allowed 360 yards to a bottom feeding Oakland team with a bottom five offense..  allowed like 140 rushing yards with the season on the line 

 

Oh man one bad rushing game

 

let me tell you about McD’s defense lmao

[Don Otreply]

Eight years,  with the same weaknesses unaddressed for the most part, imo, incorrect players for the scheme, inability to get of the field on third down, and giving up easy yards with soft coverage schemes, which comes to a head every postseason. 

Do I have the answer? Nope, I do not, but there are staff on this team that are supposed to have those answers, yet the same scheme is trotted out every new season, 

 

 

Always hoping for the best, GO BILLS!!!

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I feel like they want players that are multiple a little too much.

Agree,