Revisiting 2024 draft

[Doc Brown]

I wonder if there was any discussion about trading up for Brian Thomas Jr. or was their evaluation just that bad with WR's.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Lost said:

 

Would you consider that an overpay if Beane gives him that much?

 

Yes. Though overpay in the sense of money committed to a slot receiver. He might even get more on the market from a team with a QB on a rookie deal looking to take advantage of a window. I think Shakir is on the Christian Kirk tier. And he got an overpay from Jacksonville. 

Edited Wednesday at 08:22 AM by GunnerBill

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I wonder if there was any discussion about trading up for Brian Thomas Jr. or was their evaluation just that bad with WR's.

Nope, because first round HR would then be rare 1st round success for Beane

[Cray51]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Nope, because first round HR would then be rare 1st round success for Beane

It has been stated before, there wasn’t a chance to move up regardless of interest.  The teams that were in picks 17-24 were all focused on needs that were filled by the players selected at those spots.

 

to move up for Thomas Jr, you are probably sending our second and 28 plus a 4th this year and I’m still not sure Jacksonville would accept.

 

the draft fell too well for teams picking in that spot for them to consider a trade down

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

It has been stated before, there wasn’t a chance to move up regardless of interest.  The teams that were in picks 17-24 were all focused on needs that were filled by the players selected at those spots.

 

to move up for Thomas Jr, you are probably sending our second and 28 plus a 4th this year and I’m still not sure Jacksonville would accept.

 

the draft fell too well for teams picking in that spot for them to consider a trade down

Then draft BPA then trying to jam a round peg into a square hole.

 

The fact remains that there were available X WR after Keon.  Hello Adonai Mitchell

 

Dalton Kincaid was a panic trade and curious selection.  We already had well paid Knox, and rarely run 12 personal.  Mims and Tank Dell were a couple WR we could of drafted, without giving away a 4th round draft pick.

[DCofNC]

Looks like a typical Beane draft, bunch of wasted picks in rounds 1-3 and then some above average picks on the back end.  This ***** has got to come to an end.

[DCofNC]

35 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

It has been stated before, there wasn’t a chance to move up regardless of interest.  The teams that were in picks 17-24 were all focused on needs that were filled by the players selected at those spots.

 

to move up for Thomas Jr, you are probably sending our second and 28 plus a 4th this year and I’m still not sure Jacksonville would accept.

 

the draft fell too well for teams picking in that spot for them to consider a trade down

Says you.  They could have made a trade, others managed it.  They did not.  Beane wasted a third round pick on a mid season trade last year bc he failed to address the depth properly in the offseason at a key position and then couldn’t live without getting his pick back, which he promptly wasted on a rotational DT who plays the same position as a guy he just handed a 70M contract to.   Beane does a lot of things well, drafting is absolutely not one of them.  Had he not hit the jackpot on Allen, he’s working under Whaley in the XFL or whatever Sir Doug is up to these days.

[Cray51]

28 minutes ago, Pete said:

Then draft BPA then trying to jam a round peg into a square hole.

 

The fact remains that there were available X WR after Keon.  Hello Adonai Mitchell

 

Dalton Kincaid was a panic trade and curious selection.  We already had well paid Knox, and rarely run 12 personal.  Mims and Tank Dell were a couple WR we could have drafted, without giving away a 4th round draft pick.

Adonai who had character concerns and had a worse year than Coleman for the Colts?

 

your point here is that there was ONE available X guy after Coleman, who carries heavy baggage, doesn’t block as well on the edge, and had a worse year, but would have been the better selection?  I’m not sure this is too sound of reasoning.

 

Kincaid last year set a TE receptions record.  He had knee and ligament issues this year.  Let’s give him another year to see if he can be that 1,000 yard TE.

[Cray51]

2 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Says you.  They could have made a trade, others managed it.  They did not.  Beane wasted a third round pick on a mid season trade last year bc he failed to address the depth properly in the offseason at a key position and then couldn’t live without getting his pick back, which he promptly wasted on a rotational DT who plays the same position as a guy he just handed a 70M contract to.   Beane does a lot of things well, drafting is absolutely not one of them.  Had he not hit the jackpot on Allen, he’s working under Whaley in the XFL or whatever Sir Doug is up to these days.

Says me?  Or says the fact that no one could trade up to 23 from 28 or on.

 

Jacksonville had already traded down from 17, and weren’t fielding offers.  So that means you need to trade to 22, where the Eagles GM said they were targeting Mitchell and weren’t trading the pick.  So then it’s 21, where Miami wanted Chop Robinson and weren’t trading back.  So then it’s 20, where the Steelers picked OT and their GM said they had a very high grade on Fatanau.  So now it’s 19 where the Rams took Verse, who they loved.

 

so realistically, they would have had to trade from 28-18 IF the team wanted to.  That’s costing you what - 28 + a second this year plus another second?  Now we don’t have pick 28, pick 60, pick 95 (received in a trade back) and no Bills second this year…

 

you can see why it’s not just me saying this trade up wasn’t happening 

[DCofNC]

6 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Says me?  Or says the fact that no one could trade up to 23 from 28 or on.

 

Jacksonville had already traded down from 17, and weren’t fielding offers.  So that means you need to trade to 22, where the Eagles GM said they were targeting Mitchell and weren’t trading the pick.  So then it’s 21, where Miami wanted Chop Robinson and weren’t trading back.  So then it’s 20, where the Steelers picked OT and their GM said they had a very high grade on Fatanau.  So now it’s 19 where the Rams took Verse, who they loved.

 

so realistically, they would have had to trade from 28-18 IF the team wanted to.  That’s costing you what - 28 + a second this year plus another second?  Now we don’t have pick 28, pick 60, pick 95 (received in a trade back) and no Bills second this year…

 

you can see why it’s not just me saying this trade up wasn’t happening 

Would you give up that for your stud #1 WR for the next 5 years on a rookie deal?  Yeah, sit down.

 

Because the DIDN’T make that trade, you have Coleman, Carter, Bishop and now don’t have a 3rd this coming year and STILL have a hole at WR a mile wide, so Beane will either spend that 2nd this year in one or blow another hole in the Cap to fill the hole he could have plugged with elite talent at a low cost.

 

So tell me, would you really NOT trade Coleman, Bishop, Carter and this years 2nd for BTJ and this years 3rd?   I would and it’s not close.  They all produced NOTHING year one and BTJ is already a legit #1 WR.

Edited Wednesday at 12:34 PM by DCofNC

[Cray51]

8 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Would you give up that for your stud #1 WR for the next 5 years on a rookie deal?  Yeah, sit down.

Everything seems so much easier in hindsight doesn’t it…

 

and btw, I was a guy clamoring to move up for BTJ by giving up our first this year back before the draft.  I can have opinions that differ from what the Bills did, but also callout the realistic scenarios that Beane faces.  My initial point doesn’t change, Beane would have taken on incredible risk trading up and giving a haul for BTJ.

 

which btw, Bishop led the team with 10 tackles in the Championship game.  If Thomas gets 70 yards, but we lose in another shootout because we have an off the streets guy playing safety since Rapp it out, are we sitting here saying “why didn’t Beane trade back from 28, take McConkey and Bullock??!!”  I 100% bet there are posters that would have.

[Pete]

43 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Adonai who had character concerns and had a worse year than Coleman for the Colts?

 

your point here is that there was ONE available X guy after Coleman, who carries heavy baggage, doesn’t block as well on the edge, and had a worse year, but would have been the better selection?  I’m not sure this is too sound of reasoning.

 

Kincaid last year set a TE receptions record.  He had knee and ligament issues this year.  Let’s give him another year to see if he can be that 1,000 yard TE.

I’m not privy to what character concerns are.  4.34 speed is elite.  The Bills had zero speed threat.  Opposing defenses ran stacked boxes and Cover 1- because zero respect for our WR.   4.34 commands respect, and would make the Bills offense much better.

[MikePJ76]

13 minutes ago, Pete said:

I’m not privy to what character concerns are.  4.34 speed is elite.  The Bills had zero speed threat.  Opposing defenses ran stacked boxes and Cover 1- because zero respect for our WR.   4.34 commands respect, and would make the Bills offense much better.

Yea the bills offense was terrible.  Maybe next year it will be good.  

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Yea the bills offense was terrible.  Maybe next year it will be good.  

“To be better”.   Don’t put words in my mouth.  Bills Offense was great.  One can always do better, Mr Con-placement. One should always strive to be better

[JP51]

On 2/18/2025 at 7:51 AM, Wizard said:

Well, I hope you get some coffee in you to perk up your mood.

 

Too early to tell. Give it 3 years.

So in some respects I am in your camp when judging the over all draft... problem is time is now... we essentially got 0 benefit from our draft picks in the most important game of the year...  this is concerning to me...  especially looking at playoffs...  where we  need drastic performance improvement... when you literally get 0  that just cant be where you are at... when everyone else is improving...  If Coleman contributes even a little... to offset the Worthy performance in that game what happens... so... yes, I am not gonna judge the draft... but I will judge its immediate impact over the course of the entire season an give it a D+/C-  with an F when it really counted.... 

[finn]

Judging in hindsight seems unfair, but how else do you judge a GM's performance? McConkey, Sweat, DeJean, Lassiter, and Bullock were all second rounders, and Beane passed on all of them for Coleman. Every one of them looks like a budding star at a position (WR, DT, S, CB, S) of need for Buffalo.

 

It's too early to write off Coleman, but I would say his odds of being another Elam are better than his becoming a player of the caliber of these five. 

[Cray51]

43 minutes ago, Pete said:

“To be better”.   Don’t put words in my mouth.  Bills Offense was great.  One can always do better, Mr Con-placement. One should always strive to be better

Maybe they are better with a healthy Bishop/Carter/Coleman, who all faced major injuries this past season (and might be a reason why our conditioning coach was fired)

[Pete]

Red Pill or Blue Pill?  Many dislike NFL.com Bills 30th draft rating.  Do you want a participation trophy?  Someone please try and convince me that the 2024 draft is above a D?  Please look at other teams drafts, and get back to me.  I don’t need 3 years to figure out Bowers, Nabors, or Brian Thomas will be great draft picks 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Would you give up that for your stud #1 WR for the next 5 years on a rookie deal?  Yeah, sit down.

 

Because the DIDN’T make that trade, you have Coleman, Carter, Bishop and now don’t have a 3rd this coming year and STILL have a hole at WR a mile wide, so Beane will either spend that 2nd this year in one or blow another hole in the Cap to fill the hole he could have plugged with elite talent at a low cost.

 

So tell me, would you really NOT trade Coleman, Bishop, Carter and this years 2nd for BTJ and this years 3rd?   I would and it’s not close.  They all produced NOTHING year one and BTJ is already a legit #1 WR.

I think this FO will do more of the same. 

 

You heard it from Beane himself in the Year End Press Conference - we're close, no need to blow it up, we're not just losing to anybody, it's the historic Chiefs who are going for a 3-peat, it was the injuries, development is non-linear ala Kevyn Adams. 

 

So I expect because we're again 29th in cap space at -$11M, and Beane has said he will not mortgage the future, this team will open up required cap space through restructures and extensions, we'll re-sign Mack Hollins, and fill the other role with a low-end Free Agent. That's what we've done every year since the Diggs trade in 2020. 

 

I don't see us drafting Golden, Bond or anyone else that would use a premium pick. 

 

The team only keeps 5 WRs on the active roster anyways, so if Hollins comes back, there is only one 53-man spot available anyways. 

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

WTF?

Let's be clear here.  There is no "we".  You're a Chiefs fan visiting here.

 

No, we did not at all see Shakir's ceiling in 2023.  We saw him being used in a somewhat different way in the first part of 2023 which changed after Brady took over.  In 2024 he had more 1D, more TD, and more Y/G (while having less Y/R because of the Bills offensive changes under Brady).  Shakir adapted to the changes and got 72% of his yards after catch in 2024.

Nailed it. 

[wppete]

Keon body language in the playoffs was awful. Going half speed some plays and looked like he was done. Not happy with that pick….. Davis and Grable i think will be solid players for this team. The rest i don’t really have many expectations for.