Who is your choice at pick #30?

[OldTimer1960]

9 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Just one mock version of Rd 1 - 3.

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That would be a nice haul to get Grant, Hairston and Watts.

[BuffaloBillyG]

12 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I think at #30 in this edge class you’re more likely to get a lunch pail thumper who wins with power…there are a few of them often mocked end of round 1 or RD2 that I am not too keen on 

Agree. And that's why I'm in on a move up the board for a guy like Grant. I would much rather see Beane be aggressive and give up an extra pick or two to secure a guy that can come in and have an impact immediately rather than sit back and see who is left and end up with a development type player. 

[The Jokeman]

12 hours ago, tigerthelion said:

My only gripe would be that maybe 1st round is high for him since he is basically a run stuffer with limited pass rush ability.  Maybe I am totally off on that evaluation.  He would not be the worst pick for sure, but feels like a reach to me. If it was a choice between him or an undersized edge, I would rather have him.

It's a fair gripe but truth is 2 gap run stuffers aren't easy to find as everyone just assumes if a guy is big that he can do it yet the truly great ones aren't just big but athletic which to me is Tyleik and I would much over draft a big guy that can perform. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

22 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Agree. And that's why I'm in on a move up the board for a guy like Grant. I would much rather see Beane be aggressive and give up an extra pick or two to secure a guy that can come in and have an impact immediately rather than sit back and see who is left and end up with a development type player. 

Agreed. That's been happening too often lately. Move up and get one of the top DEs or DTs. 

[OldTimer1960]

14 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

It's a fair gripe but truth is 2 gap run stuffers aren't easy to find as everyone just assumes if a guy is big that he can do it yet the truly great ones aren't just big but athletic which to me is Tyleik and I would much over draft a big guy that can perform. 

My proposed alternative might be Alfred Collin’s - hoping to nab him at 56.

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Who do you see at DE lasting until the Bills’ 1st pick in round 2?  I believe the pickings are going to be slim by pick 56.  I do think there will be good DTs left at that spot.  Still, I think Gunner laid out a case to go CB in the first because they will be picked over before 56.  
 

I think if they wait till pick 56 or later for DE, there will be guys who are better at run defense than pass rushing.  
 

All that said, I don’t yet have a favorite.  I like Umanmielen as a pass rusher and TJ Sanders impressed me a lot, but he is lighter and probably not a fit next to Oliver.  At CB, I think I would shy away from the injured Revel and Morrison unless they are super sure they will recover 100%.  I get bad vibes remembering Shaq Lawson’s lost rookie season due to shoulder injury he had and they drafted him anyway.  I think CB with hip or knee problems is a big risk - such a demanding position that requires hard cuts and change of direction.

I know there is a long way to the draft still and the combine next week can change things, but I can’t see Umanmielen making it to pick 56.

Guys lacking elite traits or lacking elite production.  Quite a few tweaners that play end but could line up inside on passing downs.  I think both OSU DE will not wow with athleticism that will cause them to slide.  Somewhere around 20 dlineman possibly more will land in the consensus top 50 prospects.    I think the odds are high to land 2 in the top 56 if that is the way they go.  For high pass rush potential you will need to select him at 30.  I think you can find a 3 down De who probably is better vs the run than the pass early at 56.  I like the idea of getting bigger upfront.  Thats why I like 1T DT at 30 and De at 56.   

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

My proposed alternative might be Alfred Collin’s - hoping to nab him at 56.

Collins is risky not only as a prospect but also falling to 56. I've seen it happen too many times that guys hope to fall don't. Keeanu Benton was a guy I pegged a few years back that I wanted but ended up going to the Steelers. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:45 PM by The Jokeman

[KOKBILLS]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Collins is risky not only as a prospect but also falling to 56. I've seen it happen too many times that guys hope to fall don't. Keenan Burton was a guy I pegged a few years back that I wanted but ended up going to the Steelers. 

 

I think Collins will be viewed as a 2-down run stuffer, but a really good one. So that mid 2nd area seems about right. I do think Ty Williams goes before him because teams are going to see a little more pass rush upside with Williams... And Williams is just so very good vs the run... Some folks are higher on Collins than I am. I see him as more of a late 2nd type... But if Williams is gone and you need a plugger, he's probably next in line...

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Collins is risky not only as a prospect but also falling to 56. I've seen it happen too many times that guys hope to fall don't. Keenan Burton was a guy I pegged a few years back that I wanted but ended up going to the Steelers. 

Agree - he may not be there by 56.  Rankings are all over the place and likely to settle in some more as the draftniks get to hear from the NFL teams at the combine.  
 

I haven’t studied too much on Collin’s, but what I’ve seen looks to fit as a 1T.  Besides being available at 56, what do you see that makes him risky?

1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

I think Collins will be viewed as a 2-down run stuffer, but a really good one. So that mid 2nd area seems about right. I do think Ty Williams goes before him because teams are going to see a little more pass rush upside with Williams... And Williams is just so very good vs the run... Some folks are higher on Collins than I am. I see him as more of a late 2nd type... But if Williams is gone and you need a plugger, he's probably next in line...

Late 2nd is when I think it would be nice to get Collins - which is where the Bills’ 2 2nd round picks are.

Edited Tuesday at 04:43 PM by OldTimer1960

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

I think Collins will be viewed as a 2-down run stuffer, but a really good one. So that mid 2nd area seems about right. I do think Ty Williams goes before him because teams are going to see a little more pass rush upside with Williams... And Williams is just so very good vs the run... Some folks are higher on Collins than I am. I see him as more of a late 2nd type... But if Williams is gone and you need a plugger, he's probably next in line...

 

I'm not higher on Collins. But I am lower on Williams. I don't have a big gap between them grade wise.

[Dablitzkrieg]

The biggest, fattest slob that can still pressure QB, while stopping the run at DT

[The Jokeman]

23 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Agree - he may not be there by 56.  Rankings are all over the place and likely to settle in some more as the draftniks get to hear from the NFL teams at the combine.  
 

I haven’t studied too much on Collin’s, but what I’ve seen looks to fit as a 1T.  Besides being available at 56, what do you see that makes him risky?

Late 2nd is when I think it would be nice to get Collin’s - which is where the Bills’ 2 2nd round picks are.

I call him risky as he doesn't live up to his physicals which could mean he's had bad coaching or he's unmotivated etc. Hard to say for sure but then again that's why he's lower rated as he just isn't refined. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Jahdae Barron, Kenneth Grant, or Nick Emmanwori.  All of whom I think may be realistic options.  My hope would be for Mike Green, but I think he’ll be long gone by 30.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

The biggest, fattest slob that can still pressure QB, while stopping the run at DT

 

I think Marcel Dareus has retired.....

Edited Tuesday at 05:23 PM by GunnerBill

[aristocrat]

Osu wr egbuka 

[transient]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Marcel Dareus has retired.....

I wonder if the sailor hat retired with him...

[gonzo1105]

There are some rumors out there that James Pearce is free falling due to major character concerns. If he gets to 30 or close to it and we pass and he ends up in KC or Philly(two teams who don’t care) I’ll be so damn pissed. He’s exactly what this team needs as a pass rusher 

[machine gun kelly]

20 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Realistically, who would you like to see us get in the first round? Do you want to trade up or back? My early favorites are Jack Sawyer and Kenneth Grant.

My choice is we use this years 1st, one of our 2nds, and next years 1st, and secure Garrett.  That’s my pick.  It’s not as if Beane has a great track record with 1sts anyway.  This is the best defensive lineman in football, and GROOT would be great with Garrett on the other side.  With the other 2nd we grab the best DT in the draft as it’s a deep class.

[Bigantall]

My pick at 30 would be Michigan DT Kenneth Grant 

 

 

 

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