I feel Tee Higgins = Peerless Price.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Apparently they now plan to tag him to try and sign him to a long term deal:

 

With Mike Brown involved I'll believe it when I see it. I can't imagine him giving the type of up front money that would be needed to extend both Higgins and Chase. Either way if they tag him that likely makes it impossible for us to acquire him.

 

I was just wondering what's the worst thing they could do to botch this up even further. Mike Brown never disappoints.

 

Although this does align with the Peerless Price comparison who was tagged and traded.

 

Brown is probably dumb enough to think a team wants to throw big money at his guy AND part with a 1st round pick. I dont see the Pats being that dumb. Maybe the Raiders?

[Chicken Boo]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Apparently they now plan to tag him to try and sign him to a long term deal:

 

With Mike Brown involved I'll believe it when I see it. I can't imagine him giving the type of up front money that would be needed to extend both Higgins and Chase. Either way if they tag him that likely makes it impossible for us to acquire him.

 

I think he'll take less to stay in Cinci.  He should.  Tee will put up numbers, play with an elite QB and Cinci will always be dangerous with the trio they have and Chase Brown under his rookie deal.

 

And if he does a 3 year contract, he'll be age 29 and in line for another big deal when the current is up.

 

I hope he's smart about this.  I hate seeing WRs waste away on middling franchises with no QB.  

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Imma say something crazy: I'd rather pay Cook than throw that money at Higgins.

 

Pay Cook and draft a WR early over paying Higgins and drafting a RB. Higgins will disappoint at that price tag. Cook has already lived up to the salary. Plus, Cook's $12-14M is less than Higgins' $20+M.

 

JMO.

 

(I look forward to getting the red x from @GunnerBill )

Exactly what I would do.

 

Get a speedy field stretching WR in the draft.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Sorry, I didn't see your post a few months back. I was sitting in the minor emergency waiting to run a couple of tests, and it hit me lol.  

Haha, no worries, I didn’t file any patents.  I have been drawing the same comparison since last year with him. He’s thriving as a 2, he’s had a few games as a 1, but it’s a different thing when you are the primary focus of the D.   Also, he’s going to have to be real careful where he goes, he’s not a separation artist, he wins contested balls, a big factor to that is having a guy put them where you can win.  Burrow is arguably the best passer in the league, the only place with money and a QB like him is Washington.  Go there and I think he’ll be good, go where you have to be THE man, I think it’s a struggle.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said:

Maybe you mentioned this somewhere, but what do you propose at WR? My understanding is that you wouldn't pay Higgins and you don't like this draft class. So would you bring back Hollins, sign some serviceable FA like Brown or Brown and draft someone (preferably) in first two rounds?

 

Honestly? I don't have an answer for you. For once I am stumped. I don't love the Higgins idea for the reasons stated, I don't see an obvious trade idea that is realistic, and I don't love the draft class. 

 

I probably lean towards you are not getting a #1 this offseason. So get an outside receiver you think can be a serviceable medium-term #2 but as a deep, vertical, speed guy. Then that frees you up to go for any type of #1 boundary guy next year (i.e. you could go for your route runner style #1 if your #2 is a take the top off deep theat). Best ways to get the medium-term #2:

 

FA - Hollywood Brown is the obvious one or more of a punt one either Tutu Atwell or Dyami Brown? 

 

Draft - Golden possible if at #30m? Or Bond on day 2. 

 

Buf I don't love any of those options. Even though I think it majorly needs fixing, I think this might be the toughest of all the required fixes this offseason. 

[LEBills]

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Apparently they now plan to tag him to try and sign him to a long term deal:

 

With Mike Brown involved I'll believe it when I see it. I can't imagine him giving the type of up front money that would be needed to extend both Higgins and Chase. Either way if they tag him that likely makes it impossible for us to acquire him.

Yup, either they sign him and skimp everywhere else besides Burrow, Chase and Hendricks (maybe) to stay in Browns budget. Or they will tag him and try to trade him. Either way won’t be an option for us.

[GunnerBill]

53 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Maybe Kenny Golladay but that's pry stretching it a bit.

 

He had major health concerns though didn't he? I know Higgins has a tendency to get nicked up but Golladay it was more serious concerns and in truth he was never the same guy.

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I think he'll take less to stay in Cinci.  He should.  Tee will put up numbers, play with an elite QB and Cinci will always be dangerous with the trio they have and Chase Brown under his rookie deal.

 

And if he does a 3 year contract, he'll be age 29 and in line for another big deal when the current is up.

 

I hope he's smart about this.  I hate seeing WRs waste away on middling franchises with no QB.  

Nope. Unless Mike Brown found about 100 million dollars in his couch cushions, Cincinnati will win nothing if they sign both Chase and Higgins. They already couldn't afford to pay DJ Reeder and Jessie Bates. They have absolutely nothing on defense outside of Trey Hendrickson and he'll only be there for one more year. They tried to buy an OL, but that has failed. Cody Ford got meaningful minutes this year. This is Joe Burrow being GM and wanting to keep the gang together because he's afraid of being exposed. He has never played on a team without two almost all-pro level WRs and he's not about to start now. He can't win without an all-pro team at the skill positions. Bengals went 1-4 without Higgins this year, and that win was against the Raiders. The best thing for actually winning football games would be to spread their limited finances around, but Burrow is demanding that they spend all their money on three guys (himself included) and then let the rest of the team get scraps. Remember, Russell Wilson threw for over 400 yards on then. 

 

My opinions might be colored by the fact that I live in Cincinnati and hate the Bengals more than any other team. 

[ProcessTruster]

6 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Both did well with a true stud #1 opposite them.  Once Price went to Atlanta to be a #1, his numbers tanked.  I feel the exact same is going to happen with Higgins. 

 

And don't we want a guy with speed?  4.54 - 4.59 isn't the speed we need. At his best 4.54 isn't a huge difference between Colemans 4.61, and At worse 4.59 is virtually no real difference then 4.61.

 

 

Can't afford $30m+ for him, so that's off the table.   

 

Pats have $100m in cap space, they'll probably grab him, although they will need to overpay, ($35M?) since they suck.  

 

My bet is Beane drafts some speed.   A guy who can be taught to beat man coverage.  

Edited Monday at 08:58 PM by ProcessTruster

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

Can't afford $30m+ for him, so that's off the table.   

 

Pats have $100m in cap space, they'll probably grab him, although they will need to overpay, ($35M?) since they suck.  

 

My bet is Beane drafts some speed.   A guy who can be taught to beat man coverage.  

Has he ever done that?

 

Or does Marquez Stevenson count? 

[ProcessTruster]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Not a Higgins fan, going all the way back to his time at Clemson. Seemed too frail even back then, and that has played out in the NFL.

 

He's no where near a true #1, but he'll be paid as such. No thanks.

 

Bringing Higgins in as our top WR would only continue our track record of having lesser-thans at the position.

 

Need to go chase that Diggs and above talent level. Higgins is no Diggs.

 

 

Don't be surprised if the market for 30 y.o. Cooper is not what his agent might think it is and he comes back for 2 years, $25m or so.

Edited Monday at 09:03 PM by ProcessTruster

[Doc Brown]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He had major health concerns though didn't he? I know Higgins has a tendency to get nicked up but Golladay it was more serious concerns and in truth he was never the same guy.

True.  He hurt his hip I believe during the Covid year but it was a surprise the Lions didn't franchise tag him after him going to the Pro Bowl the year before.  Never really recovered for it and yet still got $40m guaranteed from the Giants.

[ProcessTruster]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Has he ever done that?

 

Or does Marquez Stevenson count? 

Curtis Samuel ran 4.31 at the combine.  Now can he stay healthy is the question.  

OOPs, Higgins just got the franchise tag.  so much for that idea

[Straight Hucklebuck]

18 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

Curtis Samuel ran 4.31 at the combine.  Now can he stay healthy is the question.  

OOPs, Higgins just got the franchise tag.  so much for that idea

So the answer is no he hasn't drafted anyone with real speed. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Not a Higgins fan, going all the way back to his time at Clemson. Seemed too frail even back then, and that has played out in the NFL.

 

He's no where near a true #1, but he'll be paid as such. No thanks.

 

Bringing Higgins in as our top WR would only continue our track record of having lesser-thans at the position.

 

Need to go chase that Diggs and above talent level. Higgins is no Diggs.

 

 

 

He would be the best WR on the roster as soon as he parked his car.

 

 

Also, Higgins>>>>Price.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

He would be the best WR on the roster as soon as he parked his car.

 

 

"She's my hottest cousin"

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

"She's my hottest cousin"

 

in the land of the blind, the 1 eyed man is King...

[Homelander]

 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Honestly? I don't have an answer for you. For once I am stumped. I don't love the Higgins idea for the reasons stated, I don't see an obvious trade idea that is realistic, and I don't love the draft class. 

 

I probably lean towards you are not getting a #1 this offseason. So get an outside receiver you think can be a serviceable medium-term #2 but as a deep, vertical, speed guy. Then that frees you up to go for any type of #1 boundary guy next year (i.e. you could go for your route runner style #1 if your #2 is a take the top off deep theat). Best ways to get the medium-term #2:

 

FA - Hollywood Brown is the obvious one or more of a punt one either Tutu Atwell or Dyami Brown? 

 

Draft - Golden possible if at #30m? Or Bond on day 2. 

 

Buf I don't love any of those options. Even though I think it majorly needs fixing, I think this might be the toughest of all the required fixes this offseason. 

 

I've started to wonder if bringing back Cooper is a real possibility. I had totally discounted the idea but a couple weeks ago Jeremy Fowler reported a return to Buffalo is "not off the table" and that the Bills are "intrigued" by the idea of bringing him back. I wouldn't love that as the solution but as you said there are no ideal options. I guess in that scenario you hope the wrist injury is the reason he couldn't perform down the stretch, and that after a full offseason working with Allen and Brady he can take on a bigger role. Spotrac estimates he'll get 2 years $28M. I think I could live with that, maybe with a $5M void year in 2027 to spread out the hit. That at least puts a band-aid on the position so you're not stuck making desperate moves in a weak draft class.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I've started to wonder if bringing back Cooper is a real possibility. I had totally discounted the idea but a couple weeks ago Jeremy Fowler reported a return to Buffalo is "not off the table" and that the Bills are "intrigued" by the idea of bringing him back. I wouldn't love that as the solution but as you said there are no ideal options. I guess in that scenario you hope the wrist injury is the reason he couldn't perform down the stretch, and that after a full offseason working with Allen and Brady he can take on a bigger role. Spotrac estimates he'll get 2 years $28M. I think I could live with that, maybe with a $5M void year in 2027 to spread out the hit. That at least puts a band-aid on the position so you're not stuck making desperate moves in a weak draft class.

 

Yep been thinking the same. Keep Cooper and draft an outside guy with some speed in rounds 2 through 5.... and then make a more concerted effort at a long term #1 next year.