I feel Tee Higgins = Peerless Price.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Both did well with a true stud #1 opposite them.  Once Price went to Atlanta to be a #1, his numbers tanked.  I feel the exact same is going to happen with Higgins. 

 

And don't we want a guy with speed?  4.54 - 4.59 isn't the speed we need. At his best 4.54 isn't a huge difference between Colemans 4.61, and At worse 4.59 is virtually no real difference then 4.61.

 

 

[US Egg]

WR’s are overvalued.

[GunnerBill]

I agree that I don't think Higgins is the ideal #1 receiver for our needs. He is a massive upgrade on what we have on the boundary but he isn't exactly the idea type. He is like a much better version of Gabe Davis. He is clearly a few talent levels above Gabe but in terms of style of player that is what you are getting. 

 

Where I disagree with you is on "he needs a #1 opposite him." As a rookie, playing with a rookie Joe Burrow and backups when Burrow went down he put up 908 yards and 6 TDs as a #1, that was pre-Chase. Then in 2022 the four games Chase missed Higgins stepped up had 2 solid games and two monster games, including a 148 yard day against the Steelers. I actually his production has been held back slightly by being on a team where Chase dominates targets. 

 

I think he will prove himself an a legit #1 receiver wherever he ends up. Probably someone who is 11-15 territory rather than top 10, but a legit #1. 

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Higgins may be a bit better than price, but yeah if a team signs him to be their #1 and doesn't have a top 10 QB, agree  he likely will drop way off in numbers

[LEBills]

11 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Both did well with a true stud #1 opposite them.  Once Price went to Atlanta to be a #1, his numbers tanked.  I feel the exact same is going to happen with Higgins. 

 

And don't we want a guy with speed?  4.54 - 4.59 isn't the speed we need. At his best 4.54 isn't a huge difference between Colemans 4.61, and At worse 4.59 is virtually no real difference then 4.61.

 

 

The 4 games Higgins played without Chase in 2022: 23 catches, 371 yard and 2 touchdowns. 
 

outproduced Chase in both AFCCGs they went to and in the Super Bowl.

 

Injuries are a risk. we would be lucky if Keon develops into a similar receiver that Higgins is. Would be basically unheard of for a WR with his resume and in his prime to make it to free agency.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Would be basically unheard of for a WR with his resume and in his prime to make it to free agency.

 

Yep. I asked this the other day. Who is the last prime age, boundary receiver, as good as Tee Higgins to hit FA? I was honestly struggling for an answer. Maybe Mike Wallace from the Steelers? Possibly Santonio Holmes? Anquan Boldin? (removed Bolden he was traded from AZ to BAL)

Edited Monday at 03:06 PM by GunnerBill

[Dave_Bills]

Agree we need a different type of receiver. Disagree that Tee Higgins is Peerless Price. Higgins is far better than Price and I always liked Peerless

Edited Monday at 03:02 PM by Dave_Bills

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, LEBills said:

The 4 games Higgins played without Chase in 2022: 23 catches, 371 yard and 2 touchdowns. 
 

outproduced Chase in both AFCCGs they went to and in the Super Bowl.

 

Injuries are a risk. we would be lucky if Keon develops into a similar receiver that Higgins is. Would be basically unheard of for a WR with his resume and in his prime to make it to free agency.

You are talking about the cheapest owner in the NFL.   

 

 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

You are talking about the cheapest owner in the NFL.   

 

 

 

He is “special” that way. He’s the reason I didn’t fear the Bengals long term. They caught lightning in a bottle, but he won’t pay to keep the pieces they will need to re-sign. 

[LEBills]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I asked this the other day. Who is the last prime age, boundary receiver, as good as Tee Higgins to hit FA? I was honestly struggling for an answer. Maybe Mike Wallace from the Steelers? Possibly Santonio Holmes? Anquan Boldin? (removed Bolden he was traded from AZ to BAL)

Mike Wallace is a good one since they both had two 1k yard seasons. Could go back to Andre Rison as Tee has three 900+ yard seasons to his name like Rison did when he hit free agency

 

10 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

You are talking about the cheapest owner in the NFL.   

 

 

yea we know the reason. Pretty rare opportunity for a team to get a good young WR without having to give up anything aside from cap space.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, US Egg said:

WR’s are overvalued.

The most important position on offense (besides QB) is offensive line 

[KentuckyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, US Egg said:

WR’s are overvalued.

Sure would be nice in big time situations to have at least 1 WR who could consistently separate

[Coach Tuesday]

Your feelings are valid.

[njbuff]

There isn’t a shot in hell the Bills are interested in Higgins at his price tag, so us being saucy or excited is not warranted.

[Andrew Son]

I don't understand all the Higgins talk.  All the talk about not having any separators and the solution is a highly paid contested catch guy?

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Both did well with a true stud #1 opposite them.  Once Price went to Atlanta to be a #1, his numbers tanked.  I feel the exact same is going to happen with Higgins. 

 

And don't we want a guy with speed?  4.54 - 4.59 isn't the speed we need. At his best 4.54 isn't a huge difference between Colemans 4.61, and At worse 4.59 is virtually no real difference then 4.61.

 

 

I literally made the same comparison a few days ago in the FA thread. 

 

He will never live up to whatever contract he signs IMO

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I agree that I don't think Higgins is the ideal #1 receiver for our needs. He is a massive upgrade on what we have on the boundary but he isn't exactly the idea type. He is like a much better version of Gabe Davis. He is clearly a few talent levels above Gabe but in terms of style of player that is what you are getting. 

 

Where I disagree with you is on "he needs a #1 opposite him." As a rookie, playing with a rookie Joe Burrow and backups when Burrow went down he put up 908 yards and 6 TDs as a #1, that was pre-Chase. Then in 2022 the four games Chase missed Higgins stepped up had 2 solid games and two monster games, including a 148 yard day against the Steelers. I actually his production has been held back slightly by being on a team where Chase dominates targets. 

 

I think he will prove himself an a legit #1 receiver wherever he ends up. Probably someone who is 11-15 territory rather than top 10, but a legit #1. 

 

 

I think whatever team signs him their fan base will have the "Stevie Johnson" conversation. The whole...is he a TRUE #1 WR or just the top WR here because of target volume and there not being a better option in the pass game. 

 

No doubt he will be a target hog most places he goes and will even have some seasons of good numbers. It will be interesting to me to see if he can create players himself (ala Jeffers, Chase, St. Brown) from talent or if it's due to a team forcing him the ball (ala Diggs in Buffalo)

[GunnerBill]

31 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think whatever team signs him their fan base will have the "Stevie Johnson" conversation. The whole...is he a TRUE #1 WR or just the top WR here because of target volume and there not being a better option in the pass game. 

 

No doubt he will be a target hog most places he goes and will even have some seasons of good numbers. It will be interesting to me to see if he can create players himself (ala Jeffers, Chase, St. Brown) from talent or if it's due to a team forcing him the ball (ala Diggs in Buffalo)

 

Diggs created plays. 100%. He was the best separator in football his first 2 years (and still very good year 3) here. The Bills did force feed him the ball, sure, but his ability to just get open down in and down out created plays. And you saw that when the drop off happened. Because he was still getting targets, they were still force feeding him the ball, but the production dropped off because he could no longer create to anything like the same extent. So the balls would be going to him but the coverage would be tighter and as a result fewer completions and less YAC. 

 

I don't think Higgins will create plays in quite that way, but he will make plays a lot of guys can't make, because he can catch balls that to a lot of receivers would be uncatchable. 

Edited Monday at 05:39 PM by GunnerBill

[DrDawkinstein]

Not a Higgins fan, going all the way back to his time at Clemson. Seemed too frail even back then, and that has played out in the NFL.

 

He's no where near a true #1, but he'll be paid as such. No thanks.

 

Bringing Higgins in as our top WR would only continue our track record of having lesser-thans at the position.

 

Need to go chase that Diggs and above talent level. Higgins is no Diggs.

 

 

Edited Monday at 06:05 PM by DrDawkinstein

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I don't mind the comparison. I'm ok at the idea of trying to take a prime role here because the supporting cast makes it an ensemble