Jonathan Martin and Incognito Bullygate back in the news

[White Linen]

15 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No I don't think he was. But in terms of the toxicity no I don't think it matters. I just think it is ridiculous. If you are coming at me, come at me. Don't go after my family it is not a motiviational tool, it's just offensive.

 

You think he was trying to motivate him?

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

You think he was trying to motivate him?

 

I have no idea what he was trying to do but that was the Incognito defence at the time. He was trying to show tough love.

[White Linen]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have no idea what he was trying to do but that was the Incognito defence at the time. He was trying to show tough love.

 

You obviously have a strong point of view on this but my guess is it wasn't meant to be as literal and evil as you're taking it.  Some bad things were said and Martin couldn't handle it.  No one is saying it's all good, just maybe there's some locker room stuff that isn't as deep as you're making it.  I mean me and my friends have been crude before and we don't mean a word of it.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have no idea what he was trying to do but that was the Incognito defence at the time. He was trying to show tough love.

 

2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

You obviously have a strong point of view on this but my guess is it wasn't meant to be as literal and evil as you're taking it.  Some bad things were said and Martin couldn't handle it.  No one is saying it's all good, just maybe there's some locker room stuff that isn't as deep as you're making it.  I mean me and my friends have been crude before and we don't mean a word of it.

It's probably a mix of both... Richie incognito has some brain damage.. and he probably did think he was just trying to toughen Martin up 

 

What he didn't realize is that his actions were more of a psychopath or sociopath then a teammate.. he probably didn't even realize how insanely crude and disrespectful and insane he was 

 

Because that's how head injuries are... Like could incognito be in the wrong and have clinical head injuries? Yes 

 

Richie could be a great football player and a walking lawsuit at the same time.. he's not right in the head

[Rocbillsfan1]

On 2/17/2025 at 7:40 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Where's the fabrication?

 

" The report found that Richie Incognito, John Jerry and Mike Pouncey harassed Martin, another offensive lineman and a member of the training staff. It described "sexually explicit remarks" about members of his family and said that "at times [Martin was] ridiculed with racial insults and other offensive comments."

 

"His teammates called him names and said racist things to his face. They made misogynistic comments. On the spectrum of behavior in football locker rooms, it was extreme, he said."

 

"He said most people, especially those who didn't play the game, might think what happened to him was bullying. But men who sweat and grunt and bang heads for a living often act a certain way when they are around each other."

 

"I should have stood up to it more," he said. "I should have been like, 'Look, this is wrong.'"

 

All he's saying now is that he wished he had handled it differently.

 

Incognito did these things.  The article doesn't exonerate him in any way.

 

Yea I’m like did Eric wood even read the article. Richie did everything we thought he did. 
 

Martin is just now saying he wishes he handled it better. Weird take by Eric Wood on this. 
 

I will say I’m not sure Richie was really bullying him from his own perspective. I think he enjoyed being let’s say colorful character. I think he really did think he was being funny or just engaging in playful banter. But at the end of the day he did and said all those things. He still needs to be held accountable either way. 

[White Linen]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

It's probably a mix of both... Richie incognito has some brain damage.. and he probably did think he was just trying to toughen Martin up 

 

What he didn't realize is that his actions were more of a psychopath or sociopath then a teammate.. he probably didn't even realize how insanely crude and disrespectful and insane he was 

 

Because that's how head injuries are... Like could incognito be in the wrong and have clinical head injuries? Yes 

 

Richie could be a great football player and a walking lawsuit at the same time.. he's not right in the head

 

I get it and largely agree.  I graduated high school in '92 and there was some crazy stuff that went on in that locker room to be sure.  I'm sure it really messed with some people and we all remember it in different versions and should acknowledge different effects.  However it causing someone to really go over the edge is regrettable but doesn't make the worst offenders awful people.  It just sort of went down like that.

[Rocbillsfan1]

As some have mentioned I think we all know that one person or have that one friend who is extra and crude and loves just saying outlandish things just to try and get a laugh. Problem is you can pick your friends not your teammates. Richie is a guy that can rub a lot of people the wrong way while not actually meaning it. He probably struggles with thinking people just don’t understand him and believes that he isn’t a bad guy just misunderstood. Eric probably sees this in him and wants to go to bat for him but still he said all those things.its not a made up story.  

[Simon]

7 hours ago, Brand J said:

has there been a slew of other players that said “this guy is cancerous”? Richie Incognito is “scum of the Earth”? Not to my knowledge, all I see is a former teammate defending him. 
Without a full understanding of the situation, I won’t make definitive statements either way on who Richie Incognito is as a person, but you do you. 

 

My man, I appreciate your willingness to not jump to conclusions based off a single incident, but there has been sooooo much more than just the stuff with Miami.

He's been an ignorant, sociopathic thug since his freshman year in college and I'd bet a month's pay that it predates that and incidents in HS were covered up.

He's been suspended and kicked out of two colleges, released for problematic behavior by at least 3 NFL teams, charged with assault multiple times over the years, frequently started fights with teammates and spit on opponents and been either suspended, sent packing or both from every single team he's ever played for since HS.

He's a complete and total failure as a man and human being.

[muppy]

9 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

My man, I appreciate your willingness to not jump to conclusions based off a single incident, but there has been sooooo much more than just the stuff with Miami.

He's been an ignorant, sociopathic thug since his freshman year in college and I'd bet a month's pay that it predates that and incidents in HS were covered up.

He's been suspended and kicked out of two colleges, released for problematic behavior by at least 3 NFL teams, charged with assault multiple times over the years, frequently started fights with teammates and spit on opponents and been either suspended, sent packing or both from every single team he's ever played for.

He's a complete and total failure as a man and human being.

I posted shock emoji because oboi I had no idea of how deep his backstory was. I attributed his behavior from what I read on mainstream media was a mix of mental illness add roid rage?

 

anyway a lot to unpack there GEEZ. He was a piece of work off the field. But very good on it too. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:10 AM by muppy

[Simon]

Just now, muppy said:

He was a piece of work off the field. But very good on it too. 

 

Unbelievable athlete but ended up not being drafted til the third round because all the red flags over the years had multiple teams take him completely off their draft boards and a bunch of other teams that just didn't want to deal with him. A total narcissistic sociopath with violent tendencies to boot. 

[Brand J]

31 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

My man, I appreciate your willingness to not jump to conclusions based off a single incident, but there has been sooooo much more than just the stuff with Miami.

He's been an ignorant, sociopathic thug since his freshman year in college and I'd bet a month's pay that it predates that and incidents in HS were covered up.

He's been suspended and kicked out of two colleges, released for problematic behavior by at least 3 NFL teams, charged with assault multiple times over the years, frequently started fights with teammates and spit on opponents and been either suspended, sent packing or both from every single team he's ever played for since HS.

He's a complete and total failure as a man and human being.

Reading his Wikipedia, sounds like he’s had anger issues from a very early age and was actually mandated to take anger management classes. Who knows what his later issues were, but he’s a proven behavioral problem child. Reminds me in many ways of Bill Romanowski.
 

I disagree about him being a total failure as a man and a human being for obvious reasons. A total failure ends up in prison at age 18 for a 25 to life sentence. Incognito reached the pinnacle of athletic achievement and started 164 games in the NFL. That, to me, is not representative of a complete and total failure. You may see it differently. Does he have mental issues? Oh yeah. But by and large his life has been a success - regardless of what anyone else thinks of him.

[Mango]

8 hours ago, Brand J said:

You know what’s bonkers? Making definitive statements about someone’s character when you haven’t been in the rooms to fully grasp what happened. Is Richie an a**hole? A jerk? Yep, sure looks like it, but it doesn’t automatically mean he’s a despicable guy. Same could be said for Aaron Rodgers. Some people have said Jim Kelly was a jerk. Michael Jordan was called a bully by some of his teammates. Does that mean all of them are bad guys? We don’t know these people. 

 

He’s not apologizing because he doesn’t believe he did anything wrong. He should apologize, even if - in his eyes - the situation was blown out of proportion and - in Martin’s own words - the Wells report was a clown show. Eric Wood is the main guy to come out and defend Richie, but has there been a slew of other players that said “this guy is cancerous”? Richie Incognito is “scum of the Earth”? Not to my knowledge, all I see is a former teammate defending him. 
 

Without a full understanding of the situation, I won’t make definitive statements either way on who Richie Incognito is as a person, but you do you. 

Aaron Rodgers is a jerk. Jim Kelly is (was) a grade a piece of crap. Notorious locally for abusing women. Jordan is the GOAT basketball player and nowhere near the GOAT human. 
 

I am not sure what you’re arguing here. But the only, and I mean ONLY person responsible for us having this conversation as to whether or not Richie Incognito is a POS is Richie Incognito. 
 

So much defense of a guy who has done so much bad. Sheesh. Unsure if you’re serious, or if this is an Eric Wood burner, or I don’t know; but it’s weird. But Incognitos bad behavior and mental state is fairly well documented. 
 

He stinks, I wouldn’t allow him or anybody similar into my home, or to a wedding, or to work on my team, or to do basically anything else other than pass protect and run block. Not to exactly a resounding endorsement of a human. But hey, Eric Wood likes him, so that’s a feather in somebody’s cap I guess….

[Brand J]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

Aaron Rodgers is a jerk. Jim Kelly is (was) a grade a piece of crap. Notorious locally for abusing women. Jordan is the GOAT basketball player and nowhere near the GOAT human. 
 

I am not sure what you’re arguing here. But the only, and I mean ONLY person responsible for us having this conversation as to whether or not Richie Incognito is a POS is Richie Incognito. 
 

So much defense of a guy who has done so much bad. Sheesh. Unsure if you’re serious, or if this is an Eric Wood burner, or I don’t know; but it’s weird. But Incognitos bad behavior and mental state is fairly well documented. 
 

He stinks, I wouldn’t allow him or anybody similar into my home, or to a wedding, or to work on my team, or to do basically anything else other than pass protect and run block. Not to exactly a resounding endorsement of a human. But hey, Eric Wood likes him, so that’s a feather in somebody’s cap I guess….

Eric Wood’s burner 😂 No, I just found it ridiculous you’d chastise someone for defending a man Eric Wood knows 100% better than you, a guy who read about Richie on the internet. Incognito does have mental and behavioral issues, which have been pointed out extensively in this thread. I said a guy can be a jerk or an a**hole, but it doesn’t necessarily make them a bad person. Humans are complicated; Incognito can use inappropriate language one week and visit children in a hospital the next. And hey, I wouldn’t hang out with these personality types myself, but I have been around some who were of that ilk, though more mild. 
 

You know who I can definitely say was a bad person? Aaron Hernandez. Rae Carruth. Lawrence Phillips. R. Kelly. P. Diddy. Jeffrey Dahmer. Ted Bundy. The ***** who shot up that Tops Supermarket. The list goes on and on. But Richie Incognito? I mean, if Jonathan Martin was a soft player, then you can call Incognito a soft bad person, I suppose. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, muppy said:

I posted shock emoji because oboi I had no idea of how deep his backstory was. I attributed his behavior from what I read on mainstream media was a mix of mental illness add roid rage?

 

anyway a lot to unpack there GEEZ. He was a piece of work off the field. But very good on it too. 

 

It's a guess, but let's just say there might be a reason why Richie Incognito wanted a funeral home to cut off his deceased father's head in 2018?  Who knows, but a lot of bullies learn to bully at home....they get verbally and sometimes physically abused by parents in the guise of "tough love" and "toughening them up", and they take those behavior patterns with them to school and to sports and activities.  And sure, drug use (including steroids) and mental problems played their role.

 

As far as good on the field, actually.... Incognito was a mixed bag.  Yes, he could be physical and dominating and athletic, all you want in an OL.  But he had a reputation for stupid penalties...I think his final year in St Louis he had 3 personal foul or UR penalties....IN ONE GAME! leading to the head coach screaming on the sideline "WHAT THE ***** IS WRONG WITH THAT *****?"

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

You obviously have a strong point of view on this but my guess is it wasn't meant to be as literal and evil as you're taking it.  Some bad things were said and Martin couldn't handle it.  No one is saying it's all good, just maybe there's some locker room stuff that isn't as deep as you're making it.  I mean me and my friends have been crude before and we don't mean a word of it.

 

I am less interested in whether he meant it or even whether Martin really thought it was bullying. I am more interested in removing the toxicity from "locker room stuff". It serves no purpose and there is no reason for it.

[White Linen]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am less interested in whether he meant it or even whether Martin really thought it was bullying. I am more interested in removing the toxicity from "locker room stuff". It serves no purpose and there is no reason for it.

 

It doesn't really matter what you're interested in. Reality is reality. Now if you don't want to talk about reality that's fine, you can live in your alternate universe you've created for yourself.

 

That's why I asked you those leading questions. Isn't that what life is about getting to the actual meaning? Not the perceived one. We established he wasn't actually going to hit his mother. You can't stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and cry that you just want this toxicity to go away. 

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 01:08 PM by White Linen