Jonathan Martin and Incognito Bullygate back in the news

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Incognito:  good guard, sh***y person. Nothing new here. 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

It’s sort of tough to defend Incognito when you have that voicemail. Maybe that was meant to be “tough love”

and part of football culture, but it sounds bad:

 

"Hey, wassup, you half-n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. I'll s--- in your f---ing mouth. I'm going to slap your f---ing mouth, I'm going to slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

 

Whether it was intended or indeed perceived as bullying by Jonathan Martin in this specific case we need to improve a culture that allows that sort of toxicity to prevail, regardless. 

[boyst]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Ugh I do not miss this era.  And boy if this same event happened today it would be like driving a needle into the eye of public discord.  

I think people forgot how impactful it was back then, it was very bad. Many people knew it was b******* just by the smell of it.

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

"His name cleared"????

 

It would take an army of lawyers to do that.

 

I'm not a fan of Martin, but I appreciate that he owned his part in "Bullygate," but Ingonito (or the others) was no innocent victim here.

The whole situation was so insane, kinda like the Johnny Depp Amber Heard situation where everyone came looking like human garbage. 

[boyst]

7 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Indefensible.

According to all reports Martin was just as involved in this rhetoric is anyone else. He was not a saint. 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Whether it was intended or indeed perceived as bullying by Jonathan Martin in this specific case we need to improve a culture that allows that sort of toxicity to prevail, regardless. 

Why? I get that it's that healthy and most atmospheres, but in the hyper aggressive world of professional sports and other occupations it is a vital role of the character of the type which excels. Like it or not it just is what it is 

 

It goes back to the roots of humanity. 

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Beast said:

What does that have to do with Martin fabricating stuff to make Incognito look bad?

 

Where's the fabrication?

 

" The report found that Richie Incognito, John Jerry and Mike Pouncey harassed Martin, another offensive lineman and a member of the training staff. It described "sexually explicit remarks" about members of his family and said that "at times [Martin was] ridiculed with racial insults and other offensive comments."

 

"His teammates called him names and said racist things to his face. They made misogynistic comments. On the spectrum of behavior in football locker rooms, it was extreme, he said."

 

"He said most people, especially those who didn't play the game, might think what happened to him was bullying. But men who sweat and grunt and bang heads for a living often act a certain way when they are around each other."

 

"I should have stood up to it more," he said. "I should have been like, 'Look, this is wrong.'"

 

All he's saying now is that he wished he had handled it differently.

 

Incognito did these things.  The article doesn't exonerate him in any way.

 

[Big Turk]

10 hours ago, Malazan said:

 

2 of them, actually.

 

Also, Incognito is f'ing crazy. There's plenty of incidents with his behavior that are bats**t.

 

Maybe but he seems like the type of dude you'd want on your team but hate if you played against him.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

 

Why? I get that it's that healthy and most atmospheres, but in the hyper aggressive world of professional sports and other occupations it is a vital role of the character of the type which excels. Like it or not it just is what it is 

 

It goes back to the roots of humanity. 

 

I don't agree. I played and coached a reasonably high level of competitive sport without ever using the threat of slapping someone's mother to motivate them. 

[Simon]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't agree. I played and coached a reasonably high level of competitive sport without ever using the threat of slapping someone's mother to motivate them. 

 

Comparing fútbol to football is probably a false equivalency. I played with multiple guys who missed games and even entire seasons because they got tossed back in prison. The sport not only attracts, but also encourages a certain kind of vicious aggression you don't really find in other sports.

Nobody has ever called American football the beautiful game.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Comparing fútbol to football is probably a false equivalency. I played with multiple guys who missed games and even entire seasons because they got tossed back in prison. The sport not only attracts, but also encourages a certain kind of vicious aggression you don't really find in other sports.

Nobody ever called American football the beautiful game.

 

Ha. Try coaching semi-professional football in East London where at least half your players are involved in some sort of gang or other. I've coached players who've ended up in prison for attempted murder. I never heard any of them threaten to hit a teammate's mother to motivate them. And if they had all hell would have broken loose. 

[FireChans]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Ha. Try coaching semi-professional football in East London where at least half your players are involved in some sort of gang or other. I've coached players who've ended up in prison for attempted murder. I never heard any of them threaten to hit a teammate's mother to motivate them. And if they had all hell would have broken loose. 

You’ve never heard gang-related East Londoners make rude and disrespectful comments about each others’ mums?

 

Have Guy Ritchie movies been lying to me?

[Simon]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I never heard any of them threaten to hit a teammate's mother to motivate them.

 

Maybe it's a cultural thing with mama jokes then, cuz I've heard that and plenty more.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Simon said:

 

Maybe it's a cultural thing with mama jokes then, cuz I've heard that and plenty more.

 

Maybe it is. But I promise you if you said that in a locker room in this country it would go off. You'd have a mass brawl in seconds. 

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

You’ve never heard gang-related East Londoners make rude and disrespectful comments about each others’ mums?

 

Have Guy Ritchie movies been lying to me?

 

I think your mistake there was watching Guy Ritchie movies. 

 

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Have Guy Ritchie movies been lying to me?

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Maybe it is. But I promise you if you said that in a locker room in this country it would go off. You'd have a mass brawl in seconds. 

 

Note to self: If Bill pisses you off, drop a mama joke on him.

[shrader]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Where's the fabrication?

 

" The report found that Richie Incognito, John Jerry and Mike Pouncey harassed Martin, another offensive lineman and a member of the training staff. It described "sexually explicit remarks" about members of his family and said that "at times [Martin was] ridiculed with racial insults and other offensive comments."

 

"His teammates called him names and said racist things to his face. They made misogynistic comments. On the spectrum of behavior in football locker rooms, it was extreme, he said."

 

"He said most people, especially those who didn't play the game, might think what happened to him was bullying. But men who sweat and grunt and bang heads for a living often act a certain way when they are around each other."

 

"I should have stood up to it more," he said. "I should have been like, 'Look, this is wrong.'"

 

All he's saying now is that he wished he had handled it differently.

 

Incognito did these things.  The article doesn't exonerate him in any way.

 

I honestly don’t care one way or the other about this. But we do need to remember that this Wells report was paid for by the same organization where the only thing that came out of investigating Dan Snyder for being Dan Snyder was the blackballing of a guy who coached a completely different team. Their reports say whatever the NFL wants them to say. 

[teef]

11 hours ago, Malazan said:

 

2 of them, actually.

 

Also, Incognito is f'ing crazy. There's plenty of incidents with his behavior that are bats**t.

i agree here.  the guy is a total psycho who apparently had failed at getting help.  he's dangerous #######.

[muppy]

Richie had substance as well as mental health issues. It's well documented.

 

I don't think bullying is funny and it is toxic behavior. Being called one is not a good look.

 

but this is from so far in the past.  I hope Richie is doing well now. His name hasn't been in the papers which is GOOD until this.

 

*sigh*

 

 

[Jauronimo]

10 hours ago, UConn James said:

Yeah, it’s like… did I read the same story Eric Wood did? How did Incognito get any amount of vindication from this? Bc Martin’s mother called it bullying? Bc that voicemail isn’t bullying? 🤨

That voicemail is real.  And at the same time, Cog was Martin's best friend on the team.  

[Jauronimo]

11 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Did Jonathan Martin make Richie do this too?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777545-richie-incognito-reportedly-threw-dumbbell-at-man-in-gym-is-on-psychiatric-hold

Dude, have you ever transmitted class 3 level NSA documents from your phone at the gym?  Do you have any idea how stressful that is?  When someone gets in your space while you're transmitting top secret government docs from the squat rack all options are on the table.  I have shot putted kettlebells at peoples heads and discus tossed plates at knee caps in the name of national security.

Edited Monday at 03:00 PM by Jauronimo

[teef]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Dude, have you ever transmitted class3 level NSA documents from your phone at the gym?  Do you have any idea how stressful that is?  When someone gets in your space while you're transmitting top secret government docs from the squat rack all options are on the table.  I have shot putted kettlebells at peoples heads and discus tossed plates at knee caps in the name of national security.

more plates...more dates!