Let's be honest, Josh probably has 5 good seasons left

[Gregg]

On 2/18/2025 at 6:23 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

I would say more. At some point when he loses some athleticism he probably reinvents himself and winds up being late career Big Ben. 

 

I think the arm strength will be there even into his late 30's, but the running will eventually stop. Think Elway. Even though it was a different game back then Elway could still run to avoid the rush or pick up yards for a 1st down early in his career. As he got older, he was pretty much just a pocket passer. Of course, having TD do all the running at that point in his career didn't hurt.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Not in his early years.  He scrambled often. And Josh moves in the pocket in ways that are quite similar to Roethlisberger. 

 

The real point is that guys as talented as Josh generally do not hit a wall as early as people are suggesting. Hall of Fame quarterbacks play into their late thirties.

Ben did scramble at times but nothing like Josh 

[dayman]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:56 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

He has to become more cerebral and stop running as much.  I would say 8 more years.

I don’t think Josh is going to become particularly cerebral

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, dayman said:

I don’t think Josh is going to become particularly cerebral

If he doesn't, then he has reschedule his peak. Soon he won't be able to do what he does physically and he will be done.

[oldmanfan]

He has 10 at least.  And the stuff about not being cerebral or not becoming cerebral is crap.

[Bferra13]

They mentioned on WGR this a.m. that he's the third oldest starting QB in the AFC behind Mahomes and Burrow. That's nuts. Nuts that all three of them are in that spot so young. Of course could change with some teams QB spots in flux. 

 

Edit* Burrow is younger than Allen, so I have no idea where they got this info from. Is Allen really the 2nd oldest starting QB in AFC as of now?

[WNYFAN1]

On 2/16/2025 at 7:21 PM, Ya Digg? said:

So in a year where EVERYONE said they would be rebuilding, would be no better than 3rd in their division, would be lucky to make the playoffs…turn that into dominant saying the division, make the AFC championship game, and Josh wins MVP. A year in which they far exceeded expectations…

 

You feel this low about the team??

 

 

Still an awful lot of free space in that super bowl trophy cabinet...

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

38 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

They mentioned on WGR this a.m. that he's the third oldest starting QB in the AFC behind Mahomes and Burrow. That's nuts. Nuts that all three of them are in that spot so young. Of course could change with some teams QB spots in flux. 

 

Edit* Burrow is younger than Allen, so I have no idea where they got this info from. Is Allen really the 2nd oldest starting QB in AFC as of now?

If you went off of locked in starters it should make sense. AFC is mostly younger highly drafted QBs.

[GerstAusGosheim]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:39 PM, H2o said:

He's about to turn 29. As long as he stays healthy, and continues to slide or get out of bounds more, then he could have another 8-10 good years. 

Cam Newton hit the wall at 32. Josh might only have 2-3 years left if the Bills continue to fail to give him legit playmakers on O.

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

Cam Newton hit the wall at 32. Josh might only have 2-3 years left if the Bills continue to fail to give him legit playmakers on O.

Cam Newton had shoulder problems and couldn't throw a football 15 yards down the field 

[transplantbillsfan]

8 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Big Ben was more of a traditional pocket passer then Josh is . 

 

Take a look at Shaw's comments right after, but I wonder how much people really paid attention to Josh in the run game this year.

 

I don't have any advanced metrics on me, but I bet wherever you find them you'd discover that this year Josh became more of a pure pocket passer than any other year in his career.  We already know he got more YAC out of his WRs than any other year, so he became more of a point guard than he was previously.  Also, Allen had the lowest number of rushing attempts per game of any season of his entire career... and I bet once you subtract all of the tush push/QB sneaks, the number of designed QB runs and scrambles become staggeringly low compared to the rest of his career.

 

Personally, I've always wanted our OCs to virtually get rid of designed QB runs other than QB sneaks while encouraging Josh to scramble, because that's when he's most effective.

 

But I think if you're honest with yourself you'll realize that Josh is much more of a traditional pocket passer than he's made out to be.

[Yockopondowsk]

Then don’t 

[H2o]

2 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

Cam Newton hit the wall at 32. Josh might only have 2-3 years left if the Bills continue to fail to give him legit playmakers on O.

JA17 is a way better QB than Newton had ever dreamed of being. It's also why he is so salty with all things that involve JA. Newton had more than 40 total TD's in a season 1 time. Josh has done it 5 years in a row. In 11 seasons, Cam's completion percentage surpassed 60% 4 times. Josh Allen has done so 5 years in a row. Cam only threw for 4,000 yards or more one time in 11 seasons. Josh has thrown for 4,000 yards or more four times in 7 seasons. The only comparison between the two is their size. Both 6'5" and both between 240-245lbs. 

[Billzgobowlin]

8 hours ago, DCofNC said:

There has been 1 guy who’s been anywhere near good at 40.  So that’s a nice dream, but JA probably has to the mid 30s w his style.

Brees and Brady. Peyton Manning, Big Ben and Rivers all were 38

[Steptide]

On 2/18/2025 at 3:56 PM, Buffalo716 said:

He wasn't even in the top five for getting hit this year.. Tom Brady is the most sacked quarterback of all time and he played the 42

I think another thing people arnt taking into account is what happens if Allen gets injured. Knock on wood but what happens if he has an acl, or some kind of major injury where he misses most of a season? Does he come back the same player? I'm gonna keep repeating it until it happens, but it's time for the bills to sell out and go all in, at least defensively. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

14 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Take a look at Shaw's comments right after, but I wonder how much people really paid attention to Josh in the run game this year.

 

I don't have any advanced metrics on me, but I bet wherever you find them you'd discover that this year Josh became more of a pure pocket passer than any other year in his career.  We already know he got more YAC out of his WRs than any other year, so he became more of a point guard than he was previously.  Also, Allen had the lowest number of rushing attempts per game of any season of his entire career... and I bet once you subtract all of the tush push/QB sneaks, the number of designed QB runs and scrambles become staggeringly low compared to the rest of his career.

 

Personally, I've always wanted our OCs to virtually get rid of designed QB runs other than QB sneaks while encouraging Josh to scramble, because that's when he's most effective.

 

But I think if you're honest with yourself you'll realize that Josh is much more of a traditional pocket passer than he's made out to be.

He definitely ran less but he still took some big hits this year. Obviously I'm hoping he transitions his game yr by yr becoming less dependent on scrambles and designed runs. He still has to be accounted for by the defense for his running abilities will that affect him when he becomes more of a pocket passer that's yet to be seen. I love Allen and hope he plays at this level till he's 40 but the most likely outcome will be closer to what the original poster indicated which can be another 5 yrs or so. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

If Josh Allen retired now I think he’s a Hall Of Fame QB. 

[oldmanfan]

14 hours ago, Steptide said:

I think another thing people arnt taking into account is what happens if Allen gets injured. Knock on wood but what happens if he has an acl, or some kind of major injury where he misses most of a season? Does he come back the same player? I'm gonna keep repeating it until it happens, but it's time for the bills to sell out and go all in, at least defensively. 

What happens if Armageddon hits with 5 minutes left in the Super Bowl and we’re up by 30 points?  If, if, if.  The Bills will continue trying to improve the roster this off-season just like every team does.