Let's be honest, Josh probably has 5 good seasons left

[ProcessTruster]

5 more good seasons   

 

so that means another 60-70 wins, most in a new beautiful stadium?   sign me up for that sh-t all day.  

Edited Tuesday at 01:12 PM by ProcessTruster

[The Firebaugh Kid]

22 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Part of what makes Allen top end is his physicality. I agree with the OP - realistically he likely has ~5yrs left of top end production. Not to say he’ll be bad at 35 but I can’t expect him to perform at this level. 

Totally agree. We gotta swing big and swing NOW 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

5 more good seasons would be awesome, just in general.   screw the tournament urgency, they'll get a SB one of these years .  

I've seen you post a few times about the "tournament" and it's supposed lack of real meaning...I guess I would ask you what you think what a Process that you trust is for then in general if not a championship. Is it for the best record? Because we haven't had that either. 

 

I'm just curious honestly. What's your barometer for the apex of success? Or is there not one? 

[major]

On 2/16/2025 at 5:39 PM, H2o said:

He's about to turn 29. As long as he stays healthy, and continues to slide or get out of bounds more, then he could have another 8-10 good years. 

I’m not sure our world will be around in 8-10 years 

[Thrivefourfive]

Kids got an arm that will keep him in the league til he’s 45 if he wants. Gonna be some new health gains in 10 years any damn ways. 

[machine gun kelly]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:39 PM, H2o said:

He's about to turn 29. As long as he stays healthy, and continues to slide or get out of bounds more, then he could have another 8-10 good years. 

Agreed bud.  I’ve had it with the window of a few years.  What’s probably behind this frustration is a sincere desire to get us the tools to win.  The easy answer is simply get Myles Garrett.  That’s what we need and what he wants.  To be with a winning team.

[H2o]

1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said:

Agreed bud.  I’ve had it with the window of a few years.  What’s probably behind this frustration is a sincere desire to get us the tools to win.  The easy answer is simply get Myles Garrett.  That’s what we need and what he wants.  To be with a winning team.

I would love to have Myles Garrett, but I don't see him as the guy who puts us over the top.

 

The offseason is always full of crazy threads because of the salt that flows after a season ending loss.  We've seen it for years now. Josh is the problem. Beane is the problem. McDermott is the problem. Our window is closing. This, that, whatever. 

 

I think the entire DL needs to be revamped, and this is precisely the draft year that could do it. There are likely to be some really good edge rusher prospects deep into the 2nd round and some really good DT prospects into the late 3rd and 4th. The question is, do we believe Beane and McDermott can properly identify that talent and draft the right guys? We'll see in April, I guess. Those first four rounds of this draft can completely shift our fortunes if things fall our way and Beane/McDermott make the right calls. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Aaron Rodgers won the MVP a 37 and 38 but Allen will be done at 34?   
 

Does Rodgers take care of himself better than Allen?

Peyton Manning had two of his best years at 37 and 38.  
 

Brett Farve still going strong at 40.

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:22 AM by Royale with Cheese

[colin]

On 2/16/2025 at 8:37 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Arm strength is the last thing to go. Allen’s arm will make him an effective starter well into his late 30s. 

 

Im wondering at what age will Josh allen not have the strongest arm in the NFL.  then, i'm wondering at what age will he not have a top 4 arm.

 

to me, that's going to have the biggest impact on his game.

 

brett favre was good until new orleans and greg williams scrambled his brains a bit, that was a long career for a run and gun guy.

 

also, this thread reminds me -- i think mahomes is declining and i wonder if he has some habits like his dad that don't support long term success.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I've seen you post a few times about the "tournament" and it's supposed lack of real meaning...I guess I would ask you what you think what a Process that you trust is for then in general if not a championship. Is it for the best record? Because we haven't had that either. 

 

I'm just curious honestly. What's your barometer for the apex of success? Or is there not one? 

 

We do have the second best W-L in football the past half decade. The team that keeps ending our season has the best. 

 

Ultimate success is a Superbowl championship. There is no feasible argument to contrary. Where the nuance in the discussion exists is whether judgment should be so binary as to class everything else as failure. I'm not sure it should. The Bills have been successful but ultimate success has eluded them.

 

[eball]

The OP is another veiled “hit shot” on the Bills by a negative ninny with nothing to do in the doldrums of the offseason.

 

I mean, that’s what the board is for — allowing anyone and everyone to pontificate — but the premise is not really logical given what we know about Josh Allen.

 

The probability of Allen only having another 5 good years is significantly less than 50%.

 

[ProcessTruster]

21 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I've seen you post a few times about the "tournament" and it's supposed lack of real meaning...I guess I would ask you what you think what a Process that you trust is for then in general if not a championship. Is it for the best record? Because we haven't had that either. 

 

I'm just curious honestly. What's your barometer for the apex of success? Or is there not one? 

I'm with Steve Tasker on this.   You consistently raise and maintain the roster level every year (this is "the process"), get to the playoffs every year, and, given the inherent randomness of  single elimination tournaments, your play will bring a SB at some/multiple points depending on how things break in one year or the next ; ie; keeping swinging the bat with a great, attractive team talent/  culture mix and you will hit the ball.   

 

Along the way, win (and celebrate) 3 out of 4 games consistently (the value of this element is becoming lost, esp on this board); for me that is a successful program which will also last, and produce tournament wins along the way.   Esp in WNY where your franchise had better have positive attributes (SB shot every year, great team culture/chemistry) to offset the downsides (unwarranted IMO, but that seem to still exist) that FAs see in the area. 

 

I don't allow the media to corrupt me into believing that the only measure of success is winning the year end tournament.. what about all the success and wins along the way?   When your team is finally this freakin good, why be a fan if you can't relish the journey just as much as the destination?  

Edited Tuesday at 08:11 PM by ProcessTruster

[Fleezoid]

Honesty is overrated. 

[JP51]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:39 PM, H2o said:

He's about to turn 29. As long as he stays healthy, and continues to slide or get out of bounds more, then he could have another 8-10 good years. 

I was thinking 7 or 8... but at some point his threat to run will need to be made up for in the passing game likely with really good WR...   probably in the next 2-3 years.

[Alphadawg7]

A good comparison in my mind is Big Ben.  He evolved past being a physical runner as his age increased, and that allowed Ben to be a good QB longer than say someone like Cam Newton who really wasn’t a great QB, so when Cam’s physical gifts started to decline so did his career and sharply because he was never a high level passer.  
 

Big Ben retired at 39 after 18 seasons and his best season as a passer in his career was when he was 35 or 36 in 2018 when he threw for over 5000 yards.  In fact the best 2 year span of his career was his mid 30’s in 2017 and 2018 when he was 35 and 36 years old and threw for over 9,300 yards and had 65 TDs.  
 

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:17 PM by Alphadawg7

[Albwan]

Don't worry he will get a super bowl ring on his 2nd contract team. I would bet on it.

[ProcessTruster]

Once Josh is married to his west coast wife with the L.A. career base and with a couple kids, I could absolutely see him rolling back to California and his family.   He's a family guy, after all.

 

5 years may be just about right, but for a different reason.   He may very well do a "Lebron James"; win one for WNY fans and then head home.   It's at least within the range of possibilities.  

[hondo in seattle]

To quote Jim Morrison, "The future's uncertain and the end is always near."

 

Andrew Luck retired at 29.  Maybe Josh pulls a luck.  Then again, maybe he does a Brady and gives us 10+ more good years.  

[RkFast]

Joey: Wait a minute. I know you. You're Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. You play basketball for the Los Angeles Lakers.

Roger Murdock: I'm sorry, son, but you must have me confused with someone else. My name is Roger Murdock. I'm the co-pilot.

Joey: You are Kareem! I've seen you play. My dad's got season tickets.

Roger Murdock: I think you should go back to your seat now, Joey. Right, Clarence?

Captain Oveur: Nahhhhhh, he's not bothering anyone. Let him stay here.

Roger Murdock: But just remember, my name is...

[showing his nametag]

Roger Murdock: ROGER MURDOCK. I'm an airline pilot.

Joey: I think you're the greatest, but my dad says you don't work hard enough on defense.

[Kareem gets angry]

Joey: And he says that lots of times, you don't even run down court. And that you don't really try... except during the playoffs.

Roger Murdock: [breaking character] The hell I don't! LISTEN, KID! I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there busting my buns every night! Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!

[Dablitzkrieg]

Let's all worry about it