Dolphins releasing Raheem Mostert

[mikemac2001]

On 2/14/2025 at 9:23 PM, L Ron Burgundy said:

Without checking stats.  This guy fumbles too much for us.

Always fumbles vs bills 

[nedboy7]

Barkley signed a three-year, $37.75 million contract with the Philadelphia Eagles in March 2024.

 

How did that work out?  Maybe you pay the right amount for the right RB. 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:38 PM by nedboy7

[Hsker4life]

19 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Barkley signed a three-year, $37.75 million contract with the Philadelphia Eagles in March 2024.

 

How did that work out?  Maybe you pay the right amount for the right RB. 

 

 

12 million a year for THE best RB in the NFL is better than 15 million a year for not the best RB in the NFL. 

Edited Sunday at 10:58 PM by Hsker4life

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, jkeerie said:

Ty Johnson thrives in the Bills offense.  He deserves a raise, but he'd be foolish to go elsewhere.

He wants to get paid what he can get, RBs can’t afford to get older when looking for money.  If he can get paid, he should.  I like him, want him back, but he’s gotta do what makes sense for him.

[RobbRiddick]

On 2/14/2025 at 8:37 PM, Doc Brown said:

There's your Cook replacement.

 

 

Let's just see Chris Brown substitute "The Cook is in the kitchen!" using a pun from Mosterts name. 

 

"The Tert is in the toilet!"

[bobobonators]

On 2/14/2025 at 2:40 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

But he had over 1,000 yards and 18 TD on 4.8 yards per carry in 2023...........basically the same year James Cook had last year(statistically at least).........by James Cook logic and the logic of some here on TSW that should have warranted a 4 year extension worth $50M to $60M.     

 

Do not pay RB's.

Dont be obtuse.
 

Mostert is turning 33 in April. Cook is just entering his prime at 25/26. He should get paid by someone. Hopefully it’s not us though - but not because Cook is undeserving. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, mikemac2001 said:

Always fumbles vs bills 

I know it's anecdotal but every single time I watch him play he has a fumble.

[jkeerie]

46 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

He wants to get paid what he can get, RBs can’t afford to get older when looking for money.  If he can get paid, he should.  I like him, want him back, but he’s gotta do what makes sense for him.

That's why I'm hoping the Bills offer him a generous and fair contract.

[JerseyBills]

On 2/14/2025 at 3:40 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

But he had over 1,000 yards and 18 TD on 4.8 yards per carry in 2023...........basically the same year James Cook had last year(statistically at least).........by James Cook logic and the logic of some here on TSW that should have warranted a 4 year extension worth $50M to $60M.     

 

Do not pay RB's.

Mosert is 32 but I generally agree, unless they're a Saquon/Henry type back. True game changers..

I say use Cook this year and see what happens, he really had 1 elite season , last year , let's see him do it again.

just spent a 4th on Ray , maybe draft one more this or next year

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Ty has only made $5.5M his whole career.  He has a chance for a multi-year contract that should double what he has made so far.

If Beane offers that, I think he stays.

 

just looking at what other really good backup RBs make, it seems like 2 years/$7M might be the sweet spot? 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Dont be obtuse.
 

Mostert is turning 33 in April. Cook is just entering his prime at 25/26. He should get paid by someone. Hopefully it’s not us though - but not because Cook is undeserving. 

 

Point is don't get caught up in statistical anomalies.   For that, Mostert is a PRIME example.   If Cook had the other numbers he produced in 2024 but only 2 TD's again.......like in 2023......then there is no conversation around paying him like a top RB right now.    Look at what they really are.   In Mostert's case he was an injury prone journeyman with ELITE speed.   Cook has been a good to very good 2 down RB in his 3 years.   He's not "elite" like some people have wishfully thrown around. 

[ColoradoBills]

On 2/16/2025 at 6:44 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

just looking at what other really good backup RBs make, it seems like 2 years/$7M might be the sweet spot? 

 

I would think $7M easily gets it done.  Maybe even $6M.

[Mister Defense]

On 2/14/2025 at 3:34 PM, BuffaloBill said:

Sadly, there is a definite shelf life for the majority of RB’s in the NFL.  It’s part of what the Bills have to consider when paying someone like Cook. 

 

Umm, how is this in any way relevant to James Cook and the Bills offering him a good contract now??

 

Mostert is 32, turning 33 in April.

 

James Cook is 25.

 

And furthermore, Mostert had over 1,000 yards rushing, at 4.8 yards per carry and 18 touchdowns--in the 2023 season.

 

Cook is just getting started and clearly one of the top backs in the league already.

 

So, you need to offer a dramatically better comparison than Miami not bringing back the 33 year old Mostert  next season, to the Bills not signing Cook.

 

The comparison is comically bad, in my book..

 

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Umm, how is this in any way relevant to James Cook and the Bills offering him a good contract now??

 

Mostert is 32, turning 33 in April.

 

James Cook is 25.

 

And furthermore, Mostert had over 1,000 yards rushing, at 4.8 yards per carry and 18 touchdowns--in the 2023 season.

 

Cook is just getting started and clearly one of the top backs in the league already.

 

So, you need to offer a dramatically better comparison than Miami not bringing back the 33 year old Mostert  next season, to the Bills not signing Cook.

 

The comparison is comically bad, in my book..

 

 

The question is would be it surprising if James Cook was thought of as a Joe Mixon level RB in a season or two?

 

It wouldn’t be to me.

 

Jonathan Taylor was looked at as maybe the best RB in football in 2021.
 

3 years later, is he still a good RB? Absolutely.

 

Is he still that guy? Absolutely not imo.

 

Breece Hall was looked at the next big thing. He got hurt and was still great last season. This season, he fell off a bit. Still a good player of course but not a guy in line for the next big RB extension.

 

These guys really just are very up and down for the most part. So much is dependent on the OL and scheme and usage. If the Bills OL suffers a rash of injuries next season, a big Cook extension may seem like a total disaster.

[Mister Defense]

6 hours ago, FireChans said:

The question is would be it surprising if James Cook was thought of as a Joe Mixon level RB in a season or two?

 

It wouldn’t be to me.

 

Jonathan Taylor was looked at as maybe the best RB in football in 2021.
 

3 years later, is he still a good RB? Absolutely.

 

Is he still that guy? Absolutely not imo.

 

Breece Hall was looked at the next big thing. He got hurt and was still great last season. This season, he fell off a bit. Still a good player of course but not a guy in line for the next big RB extension.

 

These guys really just are very up and down for the most part. So much is dependent on the OL and scheme and usage. If the Bills OL suffers a rash of injuries next season, a big Cook extension may seem like a total disaster.

 

 

Seems strange to offer several more extremely bad examples/comparisons here to support his point, the bad comparison!

 

Jonathan Taylor had the 4th most rushing yards this past season, rushing for over 1400 yards.  To you, he is "absolutely not"  'that guy' anymore? 

 

Did you see him in any games this year?  Healthy again, Taylor was a beast again, and clearly in the conversation as one of the top backs in the entire league.

 

And then you throw in another bad comparison, Breece Hall, a player who has never been, not yet anyway.

 

Then you say 'these guys are just very up and down', I think implying that most running backs are that, extremely inconsistent, and also if the Bills give him a big extension it may seem like a total disaster' if the OL suffers a rash of injuries. 

 

To sum it up, here you imply that the Bills should not sign Cook to a big extension because he may flame out like the once great, now clearly not great, Taylor, who had over 1400 yards and 11 TDS this year, and that the Bills should be extremely wary of a contract extension because, for some reason,  their O line may suffer a rash of  injuries limiting Cook's effectiveness?

 

Not very fact based or logical points made there to support your point, in fact you seem to undermined it considerably with your examples and analysis.  With that logic literally almost any good or great player, and at any position, should never be offered a big extension.

 

Seems like an awful way to build, and maintain, a great team, throwing sense and logic out the door completely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[White Linen]

6 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 

Seems strange to offer several more extremely bad examples/comparisons here to support his point, the bad comparison!

 

Jonathan Taylor had the 4th most rushing yards this past season, rushing for over 1400 yards.  To you, he is "absolutely not"  'that guy' anymore? 

 

Did you see him in any games this year?  Healthy again, Taylor was a beast again, and clearly in the conversation as one of the top backs in the entire league.

 

And then you throw in another bad comparison, Breece Hall, a player who has never been, not yet anyway.

 

Then you say 'these guys are just very up and down', I think implying that most running backs are that, extremely inconsistent, and also if the Bills give him a big extension it may seem like a total disaster' if the OL suffers a rash of injuries. 

 

To sum it up, here you imply that the Bills should not sign Cook to a big extension because he may flame out like the once great, now clearly not great, Taylor, who had over 1400 yards and 11 TDS this year, and that the Bills should be extremely wary of a contract extension because, for some reason,  their O line may suffer a rash of  injuries limiting Cook's effectiveness?

 

Not very fact based or logical points made there to support your point, in fact you seem to undermined it considerably with your examples and analysis.  With that logic literally almost any good or great player, and at any position, should never be offered a big extension.

 

Seems like an awful way to build, and maintain, a great team, throwing sense and logic out the door completely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm curious why you sent a "thank you" emoji in the don't pay RB's post on page one?

[JP51]

On 2/16/2025 at 5:38 PM, nedboy7 said:

Barkley signed a three-year, $37.75 million contract with the Philadelphia Eagles in March 2024.

 

How did that work out?  Maybe you pay the right amount for the right RB. 

 

 

I think this may be the bench mark for Cook... 13mm for Barkley, 3rd in voting for NFL MVP, similar age, etc... so I dont even come close to paying Cook more than Barkley... someone might... but not me... I dialed in on 10/11mm initially and I think that is about where I sit now...  cant do it for that... then go the way of Tremaine...  and tell me how you like running behind the NY Giants OL...  although I do fear if he leaves he is boarding a flight to Boston the same day. 

[Mister Defense]

18 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I'm curious why you sent a "thank you" emoji in the don't pay RB's post on page one?

 

I had thought it was sarcasm, it's such a bizarre and ridiculous thing to say, an old worn out cliche that has no more legitimacy than if you added any other position to that phrase-see below. It is like people hear something and then just repeat it over and over and over, no matter how out of date it is and nonsensical it is. The facts be damned completely.

 

Don't pay wide receivers.

 

Don't pay cornerbacks.

 

Don't pay safeties.

 

Don't pay linebackers.

 

Don't pay defensive tackles.

 

Don't pay slot receivers.

 

Don't pay tight ends.

 

Don't pay kickers.

 

See how each phrase is as stupid as the others and without any merit?  That kind of stupidity has forced Cook and others to do extraordinary things to get payed what they deserve.  You would have thought the last few years would have put an end to the devaluation of running backs..

 

 

[colin]

On 2/16/2025 at 5:57 PM, Hsker4life said:

12 million a year for THE best RB in the NFL is better than 15 million a year for not the best RB in the NFL. 

 

ive been pro extending cook, and tbh i still am.  but seeing this written out like that makes it way too clear.  barclay is really a better player than cook, it isn't really close.  i've been saying 12mm per year, but honestly that might just be too much.

[Einstein's Dog]

8 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

I had thought it was sarcasm, it's such a bizarre and ridiculous thing to say, an old worn out cliche that has no more legitimacy than if you added any other position to that phrase-see below. It is like people hear something and then just repeat it over and over and over, no matter how out of date it is and nonsensical it is. The facts be damned completely.

 

It seems like it has been something the FO has operated on - the don't pay RBs so they can allocate to other areas.  Paying for an RB deviates from what many of us considered to be a smart philosophy.

 

The allocation of funds could come down to something like which would you rather have -  D Adams + (R Davis/T Johnson/Rookie) or J Cook and some mid-level WR like D Brown or D Slayton