Jim Monos w/ critical comments on Bills front office, coaching, roster moves

[folz]

11 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Monos was fired .., he paid the price …

Moving onto Beane … these are his first picks in the draft since Josh Allen 

 

Ed Oliver 

AJE

Rousseau

Elam

Kincaid 

Coleman …

 

What are your thoughts ? 

 

 

The only easy answer there is Elam. He has been a disappointment, obviously. "Bust"

 

And Epenesa and Coleman were both second round picks, not first round picks. But, as for them. A.J. is a really solid player (but yeah, I think we all hoped for more overall and definitely a quicker development). I still think Keon is going to be a very good player. People writing him off due to his injury is premature in my opinion. In the two games before the injury he had just had his first 100-yard game and followed it up with 70 yards and a TD. He was coming on and then got injured and was not quite himself/didn't really get fit back into the offense when he came back.

 

I also still think that Kincaid will be a very good player for us for a number of years, despite him not yet having the impact that some of us had hoped for (but will he ever be elite/top-5 TE in the league...yeah, I'm not as confident in that anymore, but it's still possible).

 

Oliver and Rousseau are kind of in a similar boat. Both very, very good players and at times flash elite play, but have not been able to sustain the elite play consistently. And of course, Ed was a high pick (#9 overall), so yeah, very good player, but not as impactful as you'd hope from a #9 pick.

 

So, as I said in my last post...I agree that we need more high-impact players early in the draft (as opposed to solid to very good players), but I also realize that it's harder to find those guys at picks 25-30 than it is from say 5-15. It would be interesting to see a selection of teams who have drafted in a similar range to ours to see if they had any better luck consistently with high-impact players in that range.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

I for one never knew that Beane was never a scout. That’s pretty eye-opening to me. 

 

Yea he did some scouting when he was promoted assistant GM in Carolina. Dave Gettleman (who got the job over Beane after Beane had been the acting GM when Hurney was fired the first time) took him under his wing and taught him a bit. But he came up on the football ops side. Joe Schoen was the talent evaluator. He is a career scout. I know from people in the building when it came to personnel Beane trusted Joe more than he trusted himseld. I think Gaine and Grey are fine personnel people and I am sure Brandon trusts them. But not like he trusted Joe Schoen.

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Who do you think signed Poyer and Hyde? Drafted Tre White, Matt Milano, and Dion Dawkins?

 

Beane was hired after.

Oh I know just saying it's justifiable McDermott allowed to have personal control.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Oh I know just saying it's justifiable McDermott allowed to have personal control.

Yeah. There’s a video somewhere where Beane says McDermott started trusting him and his staff more and more. I wish I could find it.

 

McDermott ran the show for years. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I think Wahley and Isiaah McKenzie should start a podcast with Dunne. Instead of Locked on Bills, they could call it Bash on Bills. It's not like they've got anything better to do. 

I hear Sully is looking for work 

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yeah. There’s a video somewhere where Beane says McDermott started trusting him and his staff more and more. I wish I could find it.

 

McDermott ran the show for years. 

IMO he's still running the show. 

[Cray51]

2 hours ago, Process said:

Didn't listen but read your summary and yea, there's not much to say. 

 

If you want to sum up why this team has zero Superbowls it's very simple...Coleman, Kincaid, Oliver, Greg and Elam. 

 

Can throw in AJE and Basham. Even Singletary and Moss since third round is pretty high for RBs. 

 

We don't even know what we have in Cole and Carter because they spent most of the year sitting on the bench. 

 

Zero elite players or difference makers. 

 

There's no sugarcoating or debate, Beane has been a massive failure with early draft picks. 

 

I agree to an extent, but who do you select over these guys that are the "elite" players?

 

2024:  Coleman over Worthy (overhyped and is not elite) and McConkey (Slot guy ONLY, dont mistake it).  Could have taken Braden Fiske, but I'm sure Bills fans would have loved drafted a 24 year old to the line with our first pick...

 

2023: Kincaid over who - Bresee out of New Orleans?  Laporta sure, but even he had a very pedestrian season this year.  Nobody selected after him is really an "Elite" player at a position of need

 

2022: Elam is a bust - Karlaftis would have been a good selection, however that would have been 3 straight d-line selections.  Fair criticisms

 

2021: Greg was the best selection with what was left.  Maybe you could pick Landon Dickerson over him, but then we went and selected Brown in the 3rd round who is an elite tackle (or just under elite)

 

2020:  Pick traded for an elite player

 

2019: Oliver was the consensus pick at #9.  He is a fine pick for 9th overall, but there are guys who have had better careers.  Hardly a terrible pick, just not the right one with hindsight

 

2018:  Drafts Allen, enough said.

 

I've done deep analysis on Beane's drafting in comparison to other GMs, he is just under the best of the best (Roseman and Newsom/Decosta).  There are criticisms, however it's a lot easier to say "we should have just drafted elite players" than actually in the moment doing it.  There is a reason we seem to only lose to the Chiefs every year, we are REALLY good, but its fair to point at a few situations where we didn't maximize value.

[Rigotz]

Tyler Dunne with another hit piece. Nice.

 

Hopefully this one galvanizes the team as well!

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

He didn't say Coleman was bad, he said Coleman was a bad pick for a 1st round as you can get those type of WR in later rounds.

Coleman wasn't a first round pick

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EJ Manual

Robert Woods

Kiko Alonso

Marquise Goodwin

Duke Williams

Jonathan Meeks

Dustin Hopkins

Chris Gragg

Sammy Watkins

Cyrus Kouandjo

Preston Brown

Ross Cockrell

Cyril Richardson

Randell Johnson

Seantrel Henderson

Ronald Darby

John Miller

Karlos Williams

Tony Steward

Nick O'Leary

Dezmin Lewis

Shaq Lawson

Reggie Ragland

Adolphus Washington

Cardale Jones

Jonathan Williams

Kolby Listenbee

Kevon Semour

 

Those are the draft picks Monos was a part of with Whaley before McDermott was in the building. Not a lot of hits on that list. Seems like it's easier to talk about someone else's work than it is to do the job yourself.

 

 

[Jrb1979]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

Coleman wasn't a first round pick

Either way the point was you can get Coleman type receivers in later rounds. They should have moved up a few spots for Thomas instead of trading back for Coleman. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

IMO he's still running the show. 

I’m pretty sure. I call him King.

[Jrb1979]

To add to my post. 

 

Regardless at how good the guy was during his time with the Bills, doesn't mean what he said is garbage. 

[Rigotz]

For anyone wondering "who is Jim Monos" ... he was director of player personnel for the Bills for 4 years during what I call the "Russ Brandon and Rex Ryan" years. After that he lasted 6 months as director of player personnel for an Alliance of American Football League team. Then he became an Uber driver.

 

Yes, I'm serious:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-monos-024a15187/details/experience/ 

Edited February 14 by Rigotz

[Jrb1979]

Just now, Rigotz said:

For anyone wondering "who is Jim Monos" ... he was director of player personnel for the Bills for 4 years during what I call the "Russ Brandon and Rex Ryan" years. After that he last 6 months as director of player personnel for an Alliance of American Football League team. Then he became an Uber driver.

 

Yes, I'm serious:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-monos-024a15187/details/experience/ 

Let's close this thread than as he knows nothing. Move along now, nothing to see here. 

[TH3]

3 hours ago, beebe said:

Monos was director of personnel for the Bills 2013-2017. Pretty good listen for those interested (this podcast is non paywall): https://www.golongtd.com/p/pod-state-of-the-buffalo-bills-with

 

-Monos criticizes Beane/McDermott for the 1st and 2nd round selections they've made. Says they've done much better in the mid-rounds but says the 1st and 2nd rounds are the GM and the coach picking, and they simply haven't been good enough there. He thinks Beane needs to defer to someone else if need be to make those picks if he must and says self reflection needed.

 

-Monos: "Brandon Beane was never a scout, he was a salary cap operations type. He knows how to organize. I'm not saying they shouldn't have their jobs...the goal is for sustained success...and that's what the Bills have...I think the Bills need to understand, who is the trusted talent evaluator in that building? Who is making these calls in the first and second round? Where are the big physical freaks?"

 

-Monos on Buffalo's potential interest in a Myles Garrett trade: "You should want Myles Garrett. Go get him. It might help you win the Super Bowl. But that's lazy GM'ing. That's a lazy GM in my opinion. That's an easy one. The hard GM's are finding those first round." There was a discussion about NFL teams likely trying to replicate Philly's defensive approach after the Super Bowl by loading up on DL. But he says it's not like teams don't already try to do that. Buffalo has tried. They've drafted D-Line, and they took a big swing via free agency for Von Miller hoping it'd put them over the top and it backfired. 

 

-Monos criticizes Beane/McDermott for bringing up the refs/officials before the Chiefs game and again afterward. He says it's loser talk. Dunne questions why they would even plant the seed of doubt in players' minds ahead of the game. Why let your players play the victim role? (Monos agreed.) 

 

-Monos criticizes the Bills' poor safeties, calling Bishop "a linebacker."

 

-Monos doesn't seem high on the Coleman pick and returned to his talking point about Buffalo not getting enough true difference makers at the top of the draft. "Guys that run 4.2's, they don't exist later in the draft. Coleman types exist later in the draft. You can get big jumpball wideouts that can't run. That's what the fourth round is for." 

 

-Dunne noted that McDermott is entering his 9th year and only three coaches ever - Tom Landry, Hank Stram, Bill Cowher - have ever won Super Bowls that deep into their tenure with an organization. "Even Andy Reid had to leave Philly and draft Mahomes before he got his first ring." 

 

-Monos wonders if McDermott wrestles control of defensive play calling in playoff games. "I'd like to ask somebody on that staff if Sean does call any defenses in playoff games? I have a feeling there might be some...which is fine, that's your right to do whatever you want." 

 

-Dunne: "I think the GM understands everything should revolve around Josh Allen. I don't know if I can say the same about McDermott....he says complimentary things about him. When it comes to managing the game, what kind of game it's going to be, how the roster should be constructed, I'm not sure he sees it the same way as the GM. Gut feeling."

 

-Monos says he wouldn't pay Cook what he wants. 

Monos.   The salad days of 2013 to 2017

[Jrb1979]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m pretty sure. I call him King.

King of what? Sure he's responsible for the best run in Bills history. His record is still tied with Levy for Super Bowl wins. 

[Billsflyer12]

6 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Either way the point was you can get Coleman type receivers in later rounds. They should have moved up a few spots for Thomas instead of trading back for Coleman. 

Go get Thomas or trade back 2 times like they did and draft Ladd if you were going to stick to WR.

 

Also wonder if Josh has too much sway in drafting.  Definitely get his feedback but his track record of heavy pulling for Kincaid and Coleman doesn’t seem to be good ideas go far.

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

King of what? Sure he's responsible for the best run in Bills history. His record is still tied with Levy for Super Bowl wins. 

 

Saban and Levy had better runs with the Bills. Back-to-back AFL championships and 4 straight Super Bowl appearances top what Sean has accomplished.

[TheFunPolice]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Saban and Levy had better runs with the Bills. Back-to-back AFL championships and 4 straight Super Bowl appearances top what Sean has accomplished.

 

Yup. And anyone who looks down on Levy's 4 straight Super Bowl berths ought to know now how tough even getting to one is