Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 14 Posted February 14 28 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Even if Beane had a scouting background he has scouts that report to him just like most GMs do. Also Beane did play football in high school so it's not like he a stranger to playing the game. Toss in am sure he's learned a few things here and there but in Carolina and Buffalo about scouting just because of nature of his jobs. Beane has a good team around him. It has been weakened some over the years as other teams take some of his guys. And let’s not forget when McDermott was hired he was given the same power as a coach like Andy Reid. McDermott actually stepped back some a few years ago in the personnel department. Quote
4th&long Posted February 14 Posted February 14 It is obvious to the average fan that they have not been good enough at drafting in the first two rounds. Nothing ground breaking here. Elam sucks, kincade is a third rounder at best. Coleman should never have been drafted that high. This is a 4 win team without Josh Allen and the coach and gm would be long gone by now. 1 1 Quote
Einstein Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: absolutely not true. He played in 4 more games but was not as effective because of the injury although he had a pretty good game in week 17 at New England. Carter was a healthy scratch down the stretch. He came off the injury report on December 8th and then was made inactive 4 of the last 6 games. And in a 5th game he never made it onto the field. 2 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah actually he was on the Inactive list all Playoffs. As soon as they determined that Phillips and Jefferson were DTs 3 an 4 he went to the bench. The Bills experimented down the stretch with the final DTs in the rotation and guess who they benched? Carter. again, you can't get the details right so spare me your opinion on the player. Having a wrist surgery in your rookie season is a tough thing to overcome when you are a 3 tech in the nfl. They had vets who could fill the role for them which was a good thing and he was not forced into playing when not 100%. Jordan phillips played that role pretty well. Quote
Brand J Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Just now, MikePJ76 said: He was not a healthy scratch for any part of the regular season. He was a healthy scratch in the playoffs because they went with the veterans at the position and carter looked a little different after that wrist injury. He had wrist surgery during his rookie season. He returned and was not the same so the staff chose to make him inactive in the playoffs. HIm returning and playing through the injury and after the surgery tells me all I need to know about who carter is. He is going to be an asset to this team going forward. I’m not rooting against Carter, I hope he becomes a solid to great piece for the DT rotation, but right now he’s a below average player, not “very good.” We need all rookies from this class to step up a notch next season and we need to luck into a blue-chip difference maker in the draft. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Just now, MikePJ76 said: He was not a healthy scratch for any part of the regular season. He was a healthy scratch in the playoffs because they went with the veterans at the position and carter looked a little different after that wrist injury. He had wrist surgery during his rookie season. He returned and was not the same so the staff chose to make him inactive in the playoffs. HIm returning and playing through the injury and after the surgery tells me all I need to know about who carter is. He is going to be an asset to this team going forward. By Lance Zierlein - NFL Analyst Draft Projection: Rounds 4-5 "Carter has the ability to become a good rotational piece in a 4-3 scheme" Quote
Jrb1979 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 20 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: I'm sorry are you trying to say Coleman should have been taken in the 4th round? Interesting. Coleman was not picked in the first round. And the trade back to get him netted the team a very good player in Carter. So already he is wrong on the details. Must be why he works in the UFL. This is the exact quote. Monos doesn't seem high on the Coleman pick and returned to his talking point about Buffalo not getting enough true difference makers at the top of the draft. "Guys that run 4.2's, they don't exist later in the draft. Coleman types exist later in the draft. You can get big jumpball wideouts that can't run. That's what the fourth round is for." Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Carter was a healthy scratch down the stretch. He came off the injury report on December 8th and then was made inactive 4 of the last 6 games. And in a 5th game he never made it onto the field. he played in a number of games after the injury, a major one that required surgery. Since he was not 100%, once smoot was back coupled with phillips, jefferson and johnson he was not forced to play. If you think he is going to be a healthy scratch next year and is not a good player, then that is noted and I will check back in with you next year. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Everyone felt like Joe Schoen was an incredible talent evaluator and Beane was ***** after he left. Who has had the better drafts despite picking 20-25 picks later? I was hoping Schoen came back this year. Guess we’ll wait until he’s fired next year. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: again, you can't get the details right so spare me your opinion on the player. Having a wrist surgery in your rookie season is a tough thing to overcome when you are a 3 tech in the nfl. They had vets who could fill the role for them which was a good thing and he was not forced into playing when not 100%. Jordan phillips played that role pretty well. 2024 regular season stats SOLO 11 150+ SACK 0 150+ FF 0 150+ INT 0 150+ Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: This is the exact quote. Monos doesn't seem high on the Coleman pick and returned to his talking point about Buffalo not getting enough true difference makers at the top of the draft. "Guys that run 4.2's, they don't exist later in the draft. Coleman types exist later in the draft. You can get big jumpball wideouts that can't run. That's what the fourth round is for." One thing about Whaley and Monos was they went after big fish in the draft and in the pros. But if he said that to me I would’ve said but you drafted 4.3 Sammy Watkins over Mike Evans? Edited February 14 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 14 Posted February 14 The criticisms monos has are very valid, and beane McDermott and the management team I hope have ways to fix these issues But how this is presented as some genius or great football mind, is kind of hilarious The guy was around some of the darker drought years and he has advice for the current group. Like come on He is a poster on this board just like everyone reading this message It's super easy to criticize and complain and tell people be or to do better How would Mr. Monos fix the bills.....that's right draft more ej manauls in the first round Quote
machine gun kelly Posted February 14 Posted February 14 For the first time, I’m finally coming around to these flaws. Neither will get fired, but they have to get to big dance. It’s so frustrating they keep missing on top picks. It’s one of the reason is they are under contract, and the Pegulas don’t have the interest in changing regimes. Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: This is the exact quote. Monos doesn't seem high on the Coleman pick and returned to his talking point about Buffalo not getting enough true difference makers at the top of the draft. "Guys that run 4.2's, they don't exist later in the draft. Coleman types exist later in the draft. You can get big jumpball wideouts that can't run. That's what the fourth round is for." Cool. The follow up should have been well which wr that was drafted in the 4th round or later in the 2024 draft should the bills have taken instead? Go ahead and tell me which of the players taken later are better than coleman on draft day and going forward. Quote
K-9 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 I wonder how much influence Monos had on drafts during his tenure. In reviewing our drafts from 2013-2017 there’s only a few picks to really right home about. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) Monos sucked too lol one shouldn't throw stones while in a glass house Beane AV of drafted players is absolutely is way way way way way above the average GM even with his whiffs Like he still is squarely a top 10 GM just based on his drafting AV You don't win 12 plus games a year for five seasons with one player Edited February 14 by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote
Jrb1979 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said: Cool. The follow up should have been well which wr that was drafted in the 4th round or later in the 2024 draft should the bills have taken instead? Go ahead and tell me which of the players taken later are better than coleman on draft day and going forward. That's not the point. It's not about finding someone better than Coleman later in the draft. It's about not taking guys like Coleman early in the draft but going after elite talent. So instead of trading back for Coleman, trade up for a Brian Thomas Jr. Use the higher picks for BPA not culture or scheme fit. 1 Quote
Billsflyer12 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, Low Positive said: Marvin Lewis coached in Cincinnati for 15 seasons without winning a playoff game. I poorly worded it. No coach has ever made a Super Bowl appearance after coaching 8 seasons with 1 team. Sean is in 9th season, so he would be the 1st in NFL history to accomplish it if he does make a Super Bowl. 1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said: Umm, yeah this isn’t true. Double check wherever you’re getting your information from. Edited February 14 by Billsflyer12 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Billsflyer12 said: I poorly worded it. No coach has ever made a Super Bowl appearance after coaching 8 seasons with 1 team. Sean is in 9th season, so he would be the 1st in NFL history to accomplish it if he does make a Super Bowl. I poorly worded it. No coach has ever made a Super Bowl appearance after coaching 8 seasons with 1 team. Sean is in 9th season, so he would be the 1st in NFL history to accomplish it if he does make a Super Bowl. Now look up how many coaches have won 5 straight division titles and were fired. 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: Cool. The follow up should have been well which wr that was drafted in the 4th round or later in the 2024 draft should the bills have taken instead? Go ahead and tell me which of the players taken later are better than coleman on draft day and going forward. WRs that were available when the Bills were on the clock at #27: Xavier Worthy Ricky Pearsall Xavier Legette Ladd McConkey Ja'Lynn Polk Adonai Mitchell Jermaine Burton Roman Wilson Jalen McMillan Luke McCaffrey Troy Franklin Javon Baker Devontez Walker Jacob Cowling Anthony Gould Ainias Smith Jamari Thrash Bub Means Jha'Quan Jackson Malik Washington Johnny Wilson Casey Washington Tejhaun Palmer Jordan Whittington Ryan Flournoy Brenden Rice Devaughn Vele Tahj Washington Cornelius Johnson There is the list. 2 Quote
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