ProcessTruster Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: Wait - was this guy head of player personnel when we drafted EJ manual in the first round? If so, no credibility yep, the last guy I'm listening to is the guy who presided over some of the most painful years of the drought 2013-16 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said: I'm sorry are you trying to say Coleman should have been taken in the 4th round? I'm just saying it is not a shock that he couldn't separate or effectively play the X. That's all. Analysts pegged him to struggle right away. He played exactly like his scouting reports said he would. All GMs say they don't care about 40-yard dashes, until someone runs a 4.2, 4.3 and then they're being taken in Round 1. Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 14 Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Just because Monos is disgruntled…doesn’t mean what he is saying is incorrect .. Spot on. If Ozzie Newsome or Bill polian or even howie roseman said it, Many on here would still say they were wrong. Monos is spot freaking on, axe to grind or not. Quote
1st&ten Posted February 14 Posted February 14 31 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Yeah KC drafts are overrated. But they and other teams have done a much better job making late first-round picks work. My issues with the Bills drafts, and I have stated this before, they reach for need in round one. Passing on guys like Tyler Linderbaum, George Karlaftis multiple other players right after the Elam pick...Cooper DeJean...we could have used Nolan Smith, maybe Sam LaPorta. Boogie Basham and Cody Ford picks cost us dearly. We picked twice in round three and passed on Maxx Crosby in 2019. They reach for need and pick the wrong players. The first round of the draft is for BPA not filling holes. Until they change their drafting philosophy, we will struggle to find blue-chippers. I agree with this. The Bills should be taking one of the best 3 players available in the 1st & probably the 2nd round too, instead of drafting for need. build a team of studs. Fill the needs with the other rounds. Maybe we should have Mel Kiper help Beane with the draft---lol. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 5 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: I'm sorry are you trying to say Coleman should have been taken in the 4th round? Interesting. Coleman was not picked in the first round. And the trade back to get him netted the team a very good player in Carter. So already he is wrong on the details. Must be why he works in the UFL. Carter was inactive after the wrist injury. 1 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: I'm just saying it is not a shock that he couldn't separate or effectively play the X. n That's all. Analysts pegged him to struggle right away. He played exactly like his scouting reports said he would. All GMs say they don't care about 40-yard dashes, until someone runs a 4.2, 4.3 and then they're being taken in Round 1. so that's a yes then, you think Coleman would have gone in the fourth round if the bills didn't take him. and to that last comment, Troy Franklin who this board and many fans on social media loved and many wanted the bills to take in the 2nd round and then each round on ran a 4.4 and was picked in the fourth round. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Bishop - he's terrible - he's a linebacker - that's what he looked like. He looks like a fish out of water in space. You know the staff recognizes it because watch where he is aligned - 25 yards off the ball - trying to keep runs funneled to the inside or keep catches in front of him. 0 playmaking ability. 2 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Carter was inactive after the wrist injury. absolutely not true. He played in 4 more games but was not as effective because of the injury although he had a pretty good game in week 17 at New England. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said: so that's a yes then, you think Coleman would have gone in the fourth round if the bills didn't take him. and to that last comment, Troy Franklin who this board and many fans on social media loved and many wanted the bills to take in the 2nd round and then each round on ran a 4.4 and was picked in the fourth round. I know I didn't want him. The only quality I liked about him was he was 21 so you got a young player that could grow. Quote
The Frankish Reich Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: Wait - was this guy head of player personnel when we drafted EJ manual in the first round? If so, no credibility Oh, but what about trading up for Sammy Watkins? Drafting Cyrus Koundjio with a 2nd? And who can forget that Shaq Lawson-Reggie Ragland-Adolphus Washington trio that formed the core of our defensive front for the next decade? Everyone makes a mistake every now and then. Give the guy a break. 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: Wait - was this guy head of player personnel when we drafted EJ manual in the first round? If so, no credibility Oh, but what about trading up for Sammy Watkins? Drafting Cyrus Koundjio with a 2nd? And who can forget that Shaq Lawson-Reggie Ragland-Adolphus Washington trio that formed the core of our defensive front for the next decade? Everyone makes a mistake every now and then. Give the guy a break. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 14 Posted February 14 19 minutes ago, Einstein said: That’s genuinely shocking to me. I like Beane as a human being but having a GM who has never actually scouted players has to be a handicap. No wonder we whiff on so many early picks, and give our arch-nemesis the players they want. He has a good management team around him, which he built. Beane has the most important job though. We dismiss leadership and structure. Both Beane and McDermott bring the leadership and structure to their jobs. You’re a good talent evaluator, so are many others on this board. But running a front office? A team? Just a different animal. It’s why I defend McDermott. We don’t give him enough credit for building the Bills into a successful franchise again. But criticism is fair. They’ve made plenty of mistakes. Quote
Brand J Posted February 14 Posted February 14 10 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: Coleman was not picked in the first round. And the trade back to get him netted the team a very good player in Carter. What is your criteria for “very good player”? I wouldn’t call a third round pick who was a healthy scratch for half the season a very good player. He might become one, but right now he’s decidedly below average. Quote
The Frankish Reich Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, bills6969 said: Wait - was this guy head of player personnel when we drafted EJ manual in the first round? If so, no credibility Oh, but what about trading up for Sammy Watkins? Drafting Cyrus Koundjio with a 2nd? And who can forget that Shaq Lawson-Reggie Ragland-Adolphus Washington trio that formed the core of our defensive front for the next decade? And that flyer on Cardale Jones wasn't so bad either. Everyone makes a mistake every now and then. Give the guy a break. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Just now, MikePJ76 said: absolutely not true. He played in 4 more games but was not as effective because of the injury although he had a pretty good game in week 17 at New England. OVERALL GRADE 41.4 AVG 193rd/219 DIs PASS RUSH GRADE 48.7 AVG 214th/219 DIs RUN DEFENSE GRADE 40.1 AVG 183rd/219 DIs Quote
Einstein Posted February 14 Posted February 14 24 minutes ago, Mikey152 said: I think the early round criticism is weak… I get that Elam was a bad pick, but outside of that and the Cordy Glenn pick, who was taken AFTER their pick that was so much better? 2021: Taking Boogie Basham over Creed Humphrey was an all time screw up. 2022: Took Elam. Allowed KC to jump in front of us and take All-Pro McDuffie. Pro Bowl Tackle Tyler Smith went one pick after Elam. Pro Bowl (and one of the best int the NFL) Center Tyler Lindenbaum went 2 picks after Elam. 2023: Took Kincaid. Defensive rookie of the year finalist Joey Porter Jr went after. Offensive rookie of the year finalist LaPorta went after him too. To be fair, Porter had an up-and-down second year too. 1 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: OVERALL GRADE 41.4 AVG 193rd/219 DIs PASS RUSH GRADE 48.7 AVG 214th/219 DIs RUN DEFENSE GRADE 40.1 AVG 183rd/219 DIs Yep. Going to be a good player for this team going forward. You didn't even know he played after his injury so spare me your opinion on the player. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Just now, MikePJ76 said: Yep. Going to be a good player for this team going forward. You didn't even know he played after his injury so spare me your opinion on the player. Yeah actually he was on the Inactive list all Playoffs. As soon as they determined that Phillips and Jefferson were DTs 3 an 4 he went to the bench. The Bills experimented down the stretch with the final DTs in the rotation and guess who they benched? Carter. Quote
MikePJ76 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, Brand J said: What is your criteria for “very good player”? I wouldn’t call a third round pick who was a healthy scratch for half the season a very good player. He might become one, but right now he’s decidedly below average. He was not a healthy scratch for any part of the regular season. He was a healthy scratch in the playoffs because they went with the veterans at the position and carter looked a little different after that wrist injury. He had wrist surgery during his rookie season. He returned and was not the same so the staff chose to make him inactive in the playoffs. HIm returning and playing through the injury and after the surgery tells me all I need to know about who carter is. He is going to be an asset to this team going forward. 1 Quote
JGMcD2 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has a good management team around him, which he built. Beane has the most important job though. We dismiss leadership and structure. Both Beane and McDermott bring the leadership and structure to their jobs. You’re a good talent evaluator, so are many others on this board. But running a front office? A team? Just a different animal. It’s why I defend McDermott. We don’t give him enough credit for building the Bills into a successful franchise again. But criticism is fair. They’ve made plenty of mistakes. Everyone felt like Joe Schoen was an incredible talent evaluator and Beane was ***** after he left. Who has had the better drafts despite picking 20-25 picks later? Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: 2021: Taking Boogie Basham over Creed Humphrey was an all time screw up. 2022: Took Elam. Allowed KC to jump in front of us and take All-Pro McDuffie. Pro Bowl Tackle Tyler Smith went one pick after Elam. Pro Bowl (and one of the best int the NFL) Center Tyler Lindenbaum went 2 picks after Elam. 2023: Took Kincaid. Defensive rookie of the year finalist Joey Porter Jr went after. Offensive rookie of the year finalist LaPorta went after him too. To be fair, Porter had an up-and-down second year too. 2019 - anyone with eyes saw DK Metcalf's workout - saw the pictures. They take Cody Ford 38th overall. Passed on Metcalf and AJ Brown 3 Quote
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