Jim Monos w/ critical comments on Bills front office, coaching, roster moves

[Goin Breakdown]

53 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Marvin Lewis coached in Cincinnati for 15 seasons without winning a playoff game.

We will probably be in the same boat. Statistics alone say it's hard to make it and win a superbowl. Couple that with KC and a stacked AFC, the chances of Buffalo winning the big one isn't always going to be as close as it may seem. There's a chance,yes

[eball]

I don't take issue with questioning personnel and draft picks...but even very good front offices often miss on early round selections.

 

You do have to question Monos' integrity, however...there's an axe to grind there.

 

We all want Beane to do better in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

 

[DasNootz]

Rarely does criticism come from someone who is doing better than you....

Monos was director of personnel for the Bills 2013-2017. Let's look at the track record:

2013: Ej Manuel, Robert Woods, Kiko, Marquis Goodwin, Duke Williams, Jonathan Meeks Dustin Hopkins, Chris Gragg
2014: Sammy Watkins, Cyry Kouandijo, Preston Brown, Ross Cockrell, Cyril Richardson, Randell Johnson, Seantrel Hendersen
2015: Ronald Darby, John Miller, Karlos Williams, Tony Steward, Nick O'Leary, Dezmin Lewis
2016: Shaq Lawson, Reggie Ragland, Adolphus Washington, Cardale Jones, Jonathan Williams, Kolby Listree, Kevon Semour
2017: Tre White, Zay Jones, Dion Dawkins, Matt Milano, Natah Peterman, Tanner Vallejo

 

One good draft class in 5 tries - coincidently the first year Beane and McDermott were here with him.

 

 

Edited February 14 by DasNootz

[MikePJ76]

13 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Wasn't he connected to Doug Whaley? Not saying he doesn't know his stuff as did serve in the NFL but he may be a tad biased. 

There are a lot of out of work or in his case working in the ufl that have critical takes on organizations.  They are everywhere in the podcast world and in the media.  Most of them are dying to get back into the nfl and can't.

 

Monos has a job in the ufl because of his relationship with russ brandon.  You would think his expertise would be useful to one of the teams in the nfl but I guess not. 

 

Louis riddick has been begging the nfl to hire him for years.  No one will. 

 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, eball said:

I don't take issue with questioning personnel and draft picks...but even very good front offices often miss on early round selections.

 

You do have to question Monos' integrity, however...there's an axe to grind there.

 

We all want Beane to do better in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

 

Just because Monos is disgruntled…doesn’t mean what he is saying is incorrect ..

[Mat68]

Brown, Rousseau, Oliver, Cook and Torrence all are solid starters. A MVP in Allen doesn't count.  Allen being the most important aspect.  Multiple people flamed that pick.  They made multiple moves to move up and get him.  

[bouds]

2 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

Rarely does criticism come from someone better than you....

Monos was director of personnel for the Bills 2013-2017. Let's look at the track record:

2013: Ej Manuel, Robert Woods, Kiko, Marquis Goodwin, Duke Williams, Jonathan Meeks Dustin Hopkins, Chris Gragg
2014: Sammy Watkins, Cyry Kouandijo, Preston Brown, Ross Cockrell, Cyril Richardson, Randell Johnson, Seantrel Hendersen
2015: Ronald Darby, John Miller, Karlos Williams, Tony Steward, Nick O'Leary, Dezmin Lewis
2016: Shaq Lawson, Reggie Ragland, Adolphus Washington, Cardale Jones, Jonathan Williams, Kolby Listree, Kevon Semour
2017: Tre White, Zay Jones, Dion Dawkins, Matt Milano, Natah Peterman, Tanner Vallejo

 

One good draft class in 5 tries.

 

 

Yeah, he sucked too.

[eball]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

Just because Monos is disgruntled…doesn’t mean what he is saying is incorrect ..

 

I think that's what I said...specifically as it relates to personnel.  The presumptions about what McD is or isn't doing, however...that's where I think his comments are questionable.

 

[MikePJ76]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Beane and McD had fairly critical tones of Coleman in the postseason press conference. I don’t think they’re too happy with him.

that is fine.  That is very different from saying they are bad players who the team missed on.

 

Very different statements.   

 

Coleman is 21 and just went through his first season in which he got injured and spent months hearing about the drunk johnny come lately fans say he needs to replace stephon diggs and be an all pro or he is bust.

 

Coleman along with carter and kincaid are going to be just fine.  

[Jrb1979]

Just now, Mat68 said:

Brown, Rousseau, Oliver, Cook and Torrence all are solid starters. A MVP in Allen doesn't count.  Allen being the most important aspect.  Multiple people flamed that pick.  They made multiple moves to move up and get him.  

Solid starters aren't what this team needs. They need elite game breakers and outside of Allen haven't had much luck drafting that.  As @HappyDays mentioned, they put too much focus on culture and fit. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

So a guy who was part and parcel of the drought is critical of the 2nd most successful regime in the franchise's 60 year history. OK. 

 

 

Shaky GM knows what he's talking about...

[Malazan]

Yes, it's disturbing at all of the Myles Garret level of players drafted outside the top ten around the league and the Bills haven't been able to get a single one of those guys. Monos definitely knows what he's talking about.

Edited February 14 by Malazan

[Straight Hucklebuck]

He's 100% right on Keon Coleman. 

 

Slow jump baller are 4th Rounders. 

 

By Lance Zierlein - NFL Analyst

Draft Projection: Rounds 2-3

NFL Comparison: Drake London

 

"Coleman might lack the athletic traits to be a well-rounded WR2. Instead, keep an eye on him as a big slot receiver who can be a red-zone specialist."

 

Prototypical size and high-end ball skills.

Attacks underneath throws with extended, sticky hands.

Works aggressively back on short and intermediate throws.

Unlikely to see focus drops when watching his tape.

Meets jump balls with full extension to the high-point.

Uses size to gain advantage over the cornerback on jump-ball wins.

Hard to bring down after the catch and as a punt returner.

 

Press coverage can blanket his release and catch a ride.

Below-average acceleration getting out of breaks and cuts.

Could struggle finding separation to avoid excessive contested catches.

Needs to play through downfield corners to secure catch space.

Capable of being a much more effective run blocker.

 

Is that not what he turned into in 2024?

[KOKBILLS]

22 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah KC drafts are overrated. But they and other teams have done a much better job making late first-round picks work. 

 

My issues with the Bills drafts, and I have stated this before, they reach for need in round one. Passing on guys like Tyler Linderbaum, George Karlaftis multiple other players right after the Elam pick...Cooper DeJean...we could have used Nolan Smith, maybe Sam LaPorta. Boogie Basham and Cody Ford picks cost us dearly. We picked twice in round three and passed on Maxx Crosby in 2019. 

 

They reach for need and pick the wrong players. The first round of the draft is for BPA not filling holes. Until they change their drafting philosophy, we will struggle to find blue-chippers.  

 

In the Elam Draft George Pickens was the highest rated player remaining on my board, and tbh it was not even that close... I knew he was crazy too... I knew it... But I was willing to take a chance because the idea of paring him with Josh was just so exciting to me... I loved Riq Woolen in that Draft too and could never understand why they would take Elam over him. Especially because it was almost certainly going to cost higher Draft capital. Woolen ended up sliding to the 5th, which was a joke... But anyway...

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

that is fine.  That is very different from saying they are bad players who the team missed on.

 

Very different statements.   

 

Coleman is 21 and just went through his first season in which he got injured and spent months hearing about the drunk johnny come lately fans say he needs to replace stephon diggs and be an all pro or he is bust.

 

Coleman along with carter and kincaid are going to be just fine.  

He didn't say Coleman was bad, he said Coleman was a bad pick for a 1st round as you can get those type of WR in later rounds.

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, beebe said:

Monos: "Brandon Beane was never a scout, he was a salary cap operations type. He knows how to organize. I'm not saying they shouldn't have their jobs...the goal is for sustained success...and that's what the Bills have...I think the Bills need to understand, who is the trusted talent evaluator in that building? Who is making these calls in the first and second round? Where are the big physical freaks?"

You mean Allen, Edmunds, Rousseau and even Elam? People complain about those guys too. 
 

I mean Buffalo is usually taking guys with high RAS. The athleticism is rarely an issue - they actually might bet on traits too much. 

Edited February 14 by JGMcD2

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

He's 100% right on Keon Coleman. 

 

Slow jump baller are 4th Rounders. 

 

By Lance Zierlein - NFL Analyst

Draft Projection: Rounds 2-3

NFL Comparison: Drake London

 

"Coleman might lack the athletic traits to be a well-rounded WR2. Instead, keep an eye on him as a big slot receiver who can be a red-zone specialist."

 

Prototypical size and high-end ball skills.

Attacks underneath throws with extended, sticky hands.

Works aggressively back on short and intermediate throws.

Unlikely to see focus drops when watching his tape.

Meets jump balls with full extension to the high-point.

Uses size to gain advantage over the cornerback on jump-ball wins.

Hard to bring down after the catch and as a punt returner.

 

Press coverage can blanket his release and catch a ride.

Below-average acceleration getting out of breaks and cuts.

Could struggle finding separation to avoid excessive contested catches.

Needs to play through downfield corners to secure catch space.

Capable of being a much more effective run blocker.

 

Is that not what he turned into in 2024?

I'm sorry are you trying to say Coleman should have been taken in the 4th round?

 

 

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

He didn't say Coleman was bad, he said Coleman was a bad pick for a 1st round as you can get those type of WR in later rounds.

Interesting.

 

Coleman was not picked in the first round.  And the trade back to get him netted the team a very good player in Carter.

 

So already he is wrong on the details.  Must be why he works in the UFL.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I think that's what I said...specifically as it relates to personnel.  The presumptions about what McD is or isn't doing, however...that's where I think his comments are questionable.

 

Ok… that’s fair …👍

 

I think the drafting history/results are open to questions and criticism …very few former insiders  are going to speak publicly about such matters though …so when one does it’s interesting …

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, beebe said:

Monos was director of personnel for the Bills 2013-2017. Pretty good listen for those interested (this podcast is non paywall): https://www.golongtd.com/p/pod-state-of-the-buffalo-bills-with

 

-Monos criticizes Beane/McDermott for the 1st and 2nd round selections they've made. Says they've done much better in the mid-rounds but says the 1st and 2nd rounds are the GM and the coach picking, and they simply haven't been good enough there. He thinks Beane needs to defer to someone else if need be to make those picks if he must and says self reflection needed.

 

-Monos: "Brandon Beane was never a scout, he was a salary cap operations type. He knows how to organize. I'm not saying they shouldn't have their jobs...the goal is for sustained success...and that's what the Bills have...I think the Bills need to understand, who is the trusted talent evaluator in that building? Who is making these calls in the first and second round? Where are the big physical freaks?"

 

-Monos on Buffalo's potential interest in a Myles Garrett trade: "You should want Myles Garrett. Go get him. It might help you win the Super Bowl. But that's lazy GM'ing. That's a lazy GM in my opinion. That's an easy one. The hard GM's are finding those first round." There was a discussion about NFL teams likely trying to replicate Philly's defensive approach after the Super Bowl by loading up on DL. But he says it's not like teams don't already try to do that. Buffalo has tried. They've drafted D-Line, and they took a big swing via free agency for Von Miller hoping it'd put them over the top and it backfired. 

 

-Monos criticizes Beane/McDermott for bringing up the refs/officials before the Chiefs game and again afterward. He says it's loser talk. Dunne questions why they would even plant the seed of doubt in players' minds ahead of the game. Why let your players play the victim role? (Monos agreed.) 

 

-Monos criticizes the Bills' poor safeties, calling Bishop "a linebacker."

 

-Monos doesn't seem high on the Coleman pick and returned to his talking point about Buffalo not getting enough true difference makers at the top of the draft. "Guys that run 4.2's, they don't exist later in the draft. Coleman types exist later in the draft. You can get big jumpball wideouts that can't run. That's what the fourth round is for." 

 

-Dunne noted that McDermott is entering his 9th year and only three coaches ever - Tom Landry, Hank Stram, Bill Cowher - have ever won Super Bowls that deep into their tenure with an organization. "Even Andy Reid had to leave Philly and draft Mahomes before he got his first ring." 

 

-Monos wonders if McDermott wrestles control of defensive play calling in playoff games. "I'd like to ask somebody on that staff if Sean does call any defenses in playoff games? I have a feeling there might be some...which is fine, that's your right to do whatever you want." 

 

-Dunne: "I think the GM understands everything should revolve around Josh Allen. I don't know if I can say the same about McDermott....he says complimentary things about him. When it comes to managing the game, what kind of game it's going to be, how the roster should be constructed, I'm not sure he sees it the same way as the GM. Gut feeling."

 

-Monos says he wouldn't pay Cook what he wants. 

I can't argue with anything Monos said.

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You mean Allen, Edmunds, Rousseau and even Elam? People complain about those guys too. 

The offensive line is huge.  They are like 8 deep on the offensive line and they get no credit for rebuilding their offense over the course of two seasons.  

 

There is hyper focus on the weak spots.  And those spots are this years area to address.  

 

Would love to see Jim Monos cut like 7 veterans and fill out a roster as good as the bills had with the cap space they are working with and then get the results they got this year.

Edited February 14 by MikePJ76