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8 minutes ago, beebe said:

 

The Bills have predominantly picked at the end of rounds also which is always dismissed/overlooked. The Chiefs always get unanimous praise for their drafting (particularly the 2022 draft), but they've had some whiffs too. Clyde Edwards was a late 1st rounder. FAU the DE was a late 1st rounder. Skyy Moore 2nd round. Their left tackle from BYU (2nd round) looks like a bust. 

 

When you're picking #30-#32 every year, your first rounders are really early 2nd rounders and your second rounders are basically early 3rd rounders. Degree of difficulty much higher picking in the 1st round a guy that everyone else in the entire league passed on. 

 

Yeah KC drafts are overrated. But they and other teams have done a much better job making late first-round picks work. 

 

My issues with the Bills drafts, and I have stated this before, they reach for need in round one. Passing on guys like Tyler Linderbaum, George Karlaftis multiple other players right after the Elam pick...Cooper DeJean...we could have used Nolan Smith, maybe Sam LaPorta. Boogie Basham and Cody Ford picks cost us dearly. We picked twice in round three and passed on Maxx Crosby in 2019. 

 

They reach for need and pick the wrong players. The first round of the draft is for BPA not filling holes. Until they change their drafting philosophy, we will struggle to find blue-chippers.  

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32 minutes ago, sven233 said:

There is a lot of truth in what he's saying.  I have had many of the same criticisms, especially about Beane's early drafting.  I truly believe they could have drafted Worthy or McConkey early in the draft and still gotten Coleman in the 3rd or even 4th round.  I don't think teams were going to be banging on his door ready to draft a slow, young, and overall inexperienced WR in the 2nd round aside from us.

 

The early rounds need to be about drafting physical freaks that can play.  Draft players with production that have elite athletic traits.  We haven't been doing that.

They thought New England was going to take Coleman, they ended up taking Polk.

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I don't know Monos, I don't know if he's "right" and/or has an axe to grind, so all the comments should be taken with a grain of salt.  

 

No team is perfect but it's clear the Bills are a Top 3 team, and could have won the Super Bowl each of the past few years. That doesn't happen by accident, and while the Bills have come up short, it seems counter productive to just point out flaws in a team. 

 

I'm not here to shill for Beane, but he has a great record. 

 

He's built a outstanding offense, developed a HOF QB, has an outstanding OL, terrific RBs, some very good receivers and TEs. 

 

On defense, Beane has brought in and drafted many very good players at Safety, LB, and CB. Two All-Pros and many pro-bowl caliber players. The downside is that the DL hasn't gelled. It happens, but it's not for lack of trying.

 

It's very difficult to be great at every position at the same time. Injuries, age, personalities, etc. all play a part. Eagles and Chiefs have their flaws as well, sometimes you can overcome, but there are too many variables to say that Bean and Company don't have what it takes to win a Super Bowl 

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3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Yeah KC drafts are overrated. But they and other teams have done a much better job making late first-round picks work. 

 

My issues with the Bills drafts, and I have stated this before, they reach for need in round one. Passing on guys like Tyler Linderbaum, George Karlaftis multiple other players right after the Elam pick...Cooper DeJean...we could have used Nolan Smith, maybe Sam LaPorta. Boogie Basham and Cody Ford picks cost us dearly. We picked twice in round three and passed on Maxx Crosby in 2019. 

 

They reach for need and pick the wrong players. The first round of the draft is for BPA not filling holes. Until they change their drafting philosophy, we will struggle to find blue-chippers.  

Didn’t they trade up for Elam, Kincaid, and Ford?

 

 

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Every thing he spoke to, we have talked about on this forum…,  is he a member here 😁👍

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Just now, The Jokeman said:

Wasn't he connected to Doug Whaley? Not saying he doesn't know his stuff as did serve in the NFL but he may be a tad biased. 

Basically McDermott fired Monos and Whaley. He doesn’t hold a grudge or anything.

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4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Wasn't he connected to Doug Whaley? Not saying he doesn't know his stuff as did serve in the NFL but he may be a tad biased. 

 

and Russ Brandon.

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Monos and Dunne are buddies. No particularly surprising things here though and on a lot of the personnel takes I agree with him.

 

I for one never knew that Beane was never a scout. That’s pretty eye-opening to me. 

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2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I for one never knew that Beane was never a scout. That’s pretty eye-opening to me. 

Really? Yeah Beane has always been a bean counter. One of the reasons I believe McDermott runs the show.

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1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Really? Yeah Beane has always been a bean counter. One of the reasons I believe McDermott runs the show.


That’s genuinely shocking to me.

 

I like Beane as a human being but having a GM who has never actually scouted players has to be a handicap.

 

No wonder we whiff on so many early picks, and give our arch-nemesis the players they want.

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Not to get to deep into the weeds here because whatever but.

 

To say Coleman, Carter and Kincaid are not good players after this year is ridiculous and makes me not interested in the rest of what he said honestly.

 

Coleman and Carter were rookies who were playing better each week and then each got serious wrist injuries.  It basically ended carter's season.  Kincaid played on a bad pcl.  Coleman returned but was not the same.

 

That is a credit to those young players that they kept on fighting through.

 

I just can't disagree enough with the opinion that these guys are not good players who are going to be better going forward.

 

For the people that want McDermott fired that is fine and your opinion and I would have been on board had they fired him and hired Mike Vrabel.  Vrabels titans teams played a more physical style of football that I prefer but he was not available and was clearly going to New England.  

 

Outside of Vrabel no one was hired this year that I would want in charge over mcdermott.  One Great offseason changes the narrative on all this stuff.  They have the opportunity this year to have that offseason.  

 

Tyler Dunne hates the guy so I always take anything he says about mcdermott not very seriously.

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Really? Yeah Beane has always been a bean counter. One of the reasons I believe McDermott runs the show.

Even if Beane had a scouting background he has scouts that report to him just like most GMs do. Also Beane did play football in high school so it's not like he a stranger to playing the game. Toss in am sure he's learned a few things here and there but in Carolina and Buffalo about scouting just because of nature of his jobs.

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I think the early round criticism is weak…

 

I get that Elam was a bad pick, but outside of that and the Cordy Glenn pick, who was taken AFTER their pick that was so much better?  It’s not like they have a bunch of top 10 or even top 20 misses. We are talking about late 20 picks, here.
 

thieve had two shots in the top 10 (one via trade) and drafted (arguably) our best offensive and defensive players with them 

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The drafting has been bad in the first two rounds with the exception of Cook/Rousseau.  Not sure why he thinks Bishop is a linebacker, it really doesn't matter, he barely played for a variety of reasons, we'll know more soon. 

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1 hour ago, Process said:

Didn't listen but read your summary and yea, there's not much to say. 

 

If you want to sum up why this team has zero Superbowls it's very simple...Coleman, Kincaid, Oliver, Greg and Elam. 

 

Can throw in AJE and Basham. Even Singletary and Moss since third round is pretty high for RBs. 

 

We don't even know what we have in Cole and Carter because they spent most of the year sitting on the bench. 

 

Zero elite players or difference makers. 

 

There's no sugarcoating or debate, Beane has been a massive failure with early draft picks. 

 

 

You'd think they'd have gotten lucky at this point if nothing else. Even the Raiders in all their years of poor drafting stumbled on Maxx Crosby in the 4th round. I worry that Beane/McDermott play it too safe in the draft. They don't take chances on players that don't match the exact culture and scheme fit they're looking for. So by narrowing their own board they aren't giving themselves enough chances at finding elite talent.

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5 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Not to get to deep into the weeds here because whatever but.

 

To say Coleman, Carter and Kincaid are not good players after this year is ridiculous and makes me not interested in the rest of what he said honestly.

 

Coleman and Carter were rookies who were playing better each week and then each got serious wrist injuries.  It basically ended carter's season.  Kincaid played on a bad pcl.  Coleman returned but was not the same.

 

That is a credit to those young players that they kept on fighting through.

 

I just can't disagree enough with the opinion that these guys are not good players who are going to be better going forward.

 

For the people that want McDermott fired that is fine and your opinion and I would have been on board had they fired him and hired Mike Vrabel.  Vrabels titans teams played a more physical style of football that I prefer but he was not available and was clearly going to New England.  

 

Outside of Vrabel no one was hired this year that I would want in charge over mcdermott.  One Great offseason changes the narrative on all this stuff.  They have the opportunity this year to have that offseason.  

 

Tyler Dunne hates the guy so I always take anything he says about mcdermott not very seriously.

 

Beane and McD had fairly critical tones of Coleman in the postseason press conference. I don’t think they’re too happy with him.

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