Matt_In_NH Posted February 15 Posted February 15 1 hour ago, Gilberto said: Obviously in hind sight its easy to see the players that Buf SHOULD have drafted lol. Exactly, I have never seen a detailed analysis done to really show any GM's performance. There are lots of misses by all of them. So if you want to complain about a GM it is not that hard. 1 Quote
MasterStrategist Posted February 15 Posted February 15 Monos and his comments aside, just looking at this upcoming season- I think Beane would be wise to hit FA for 2 secondary players. There are a TON of upgrades to be had at CB and S. Then players like Slayton, others at WR, who are complementary pieces available. If we stick to our approach from this past year. Honestly, we need to count on Kincaid/Coleman/Samuel to produce more. Then I'd go and use all 3 of our 1st and 2nd round selections on DL. This is a strong DL class, you hope to hit gold with 1 of 3 and find 2 capable starters. Rams went heavy DL rebuild with young players LY, and sitting in great shape now. So build a strong secondary via FA, hit the draft for DL where the talent is aligned with our picks. 1 Quote
Buddy Hix Posted February 15 Posted February 15 Beane isn’t good at his job. McD is great at culture and leadership, bad at actually coaching. I’ve said for years that Josh Allen is the only elite guy in this organization…that includes the front office and ownership. 1 3 1 2 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 4 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Beane isn’t good at his job. McD is great at culture and leadership, bad at actually coaching. I’ve said for years that Josh Allen is the only elite guy in this organization…that includes the front office and ownership. He literally took us to the playoffs with a roster devoid of talent and tyrod Taylor lol Bad at coaching is the worst take I've ever read... You could say he's not Don Shula but bad is ridiculous 1 1 Quote
Buddy Hix Posted February 15 Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He literally took us to the playoffs with a roster devoid of talent and tyrod Taylor lol Bad at coaching is the worst take I've ever read... You could say he's not Don Shula but bad is ridiculous He took at perpetual 7-9 team and went 9-7. One of those wins was the snow game where he played for a tie but lucked into a win. He benched Tyron for Peterman…lol. McD owes so much to Allen. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: He took at perpetual 7-9 team and went 9-7. One of those wins was the snow game where he played for a tie but lucked into a win. He benched Tyron for Peterman…lol. McD owes so much to Allen. Tt was playing like crap He tried to do something it backfired... The roster was devoid of talent .. he literally traded players like Marcel Darius for peanuts lol Every coach owes a great quarterback.. McDermott also should get respect for helping develop Allen and change the culture .. his presence and calmness can't be overstated Josh Allen is not Josh Allen in 32 organizations He would not have turned the Jets around even with all his amazing talent The bills organization let him grow and learn and mature Edited February 15 by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15 Posted February 15 I have a question. If they fire MCdermott and the Bills don’t advance past the AFC Championship game, what happens next? Does the next coach get as long as McDermott or are we talking about having to win now or get fired? Quote
balln Posted February 15 Posted February 15 7 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I do think people (me included) are a little unfair to Beane. He has hit on a lot of great draft picks, including early round ones. We just tend to dwell on the not-so-good picks. Allen, Tre, Edmunds, Dion, Oliver, Rousseau, AJE. All first and second round picks who I think panned out very well. Edmunds stunk. And still stinks. For a mid first round LB he had zero impact. That pick only strengthens the anti beane argument IMO 7 hours ago, KOKBILLS said: He's not wrong about a lot of that... Especially the early round Drafting. Let's not forget Beane traded up for Kincaid, Elam, and the one I'll never forgive him for...Cody Ford with DK Metcalf still on the board... traded up for no splash Edmund’s too 1 Quote
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 Methinks he doth protest too much! Interesting that his tenure’s ending coincided with the new regime coming aboard in 2017—potential axe to grind? 1 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted February 15 Posted February 15 30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I have a question. If they fire MCdermott and the Bills don’t advance past the AFC Championship game, what happens next? Does the next coach get as long as McDermott or are we talking about having to win now or get fired? I would say he probably gets 3 cracks at it at least. I mean, McD is going on 7 lol Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15 Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: I would say he probably gets 3 cracks at it at least. I mean, McD is going on 7 lol Forget McDermott. You fired him. Year 1 the new guy goes 11-6 but loses the division. Then loses a wild card game. What are you doing? This is a real possibility. Quote
balln Posted February 15 Posted February 15 6 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: OVERALL GRADE 41.4 AVG 193rd/219 DIs PASS RUSH GRADE 48.7 AVG 214th/219 DIs RUN DEFENSE GRADE 40.1 AVG 183rd/219 DIs Yea. He had one or two plays all year. Texans and I think titans. He’s a 5th or 6th year senior from DUKE. Didn’t produce at all in college. Not sure why we took him. Oh I know. Good character. Culture guy. Enough ! Quote
Jimmy Harris 69 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Um the entire 2015 draft was with the Bills in 2015. The entire 2014 draft was with the Bills in 2014. The entire 2013 draft was with the Bills in 2013, except for the kicker who got beat out in camp. what 2016 7-9 2015 8-8 2014 9-7 2013 6-10 Though the Bills drafted higher all throughout this period, the 2017 McDermott Roster contained only 16 players drafted by the Bills. That team went 9-7 and made the playoffs ( thanks Cincinnati ). So those players drafted previously did not stay around. So how good were they? Buffalohad two coaches Marrone and Ryan, which certainly contributed to poor retention. But I stick by my original point, that Beane for the most part has drafted above average. the 2023 Bills went 11-6, drafted 25th. They found contributors among those they drafted. He’s taken heat and rightly so on Dalton Kincaid; but it is too early to give up on that guy. I’ll take our current draft/scouting personnel over the drought bunch for sure. 2 Quote
FireChans Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said: 2016 7-9 2015 8-8 2014 9-7 2013 6-10 Though the Bills drafted higher all throughout this period, the 2017 McDermott Roster contained only 16 players drafted by the Bills. That team went 9-7 and made the playoffs ( thanks Cincinnati ). So those players drafted previously did not stay around. So how good were they? Buffalohad two coaches Marrone and Ryan, which certainly contributed to poor retention. But I stick by my original point, that Beane for the most part has drafted above average. the 2023 Bills went 11-6, drafted 25th. They found contributors among those they drafted. He’s taken heat and rightly so on Dalton Kincaid; but it is too early to give up on that guy. I’ll take our current draft/scouting personnel over the drought bunch for sure. McDermott traded or moved off a bunch of them in the 2017 season. It was a big thing. the point was that an entire draft class being on the team/stashed on the PS/stashed on IR the same year they were drafted is no feather in the cap of any GM. It’s usually how it goes lol. 13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Forget McDermott. You fired him. Year 1 the new guy goes 11-6 but loses the division. Then loses a wild card game. What are you doing? This is a real possibility. I’m keeping him. We will have folks who will say it was just injuries and bad luck that held them back. Next question Edited February 15 by FireChans Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m keeping him. We will have folks who will say it was just injuries and bad luck that held them back. Next question It’ll be interesting to see. There’s a long way down the mountain we’re climbing. I don’t think people understand that. Even the great Belichick was 1 and done 3 times with Tom Brady. What McDermott is doing is not easy. 5 straight years with a playoff win is not easy. I would rather stick with the guy that’s 2-3 plays from a Super Bowl. Edited February 15 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 1 Quote
FireChans Posted February 15 Posted February 15 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: It’ll be interesting to see. There’s a long way down the mountain we’re climbing. I don’t think people understand that. Even the great Belichick was 1 and done 3 times with Tom Brady. What McDermott is doing is not easy. 5 straight years with a playoff win is not easy. Corollary to that is that even BB was basically mediocre to bad in NE with the best culture in the NFL without his QB. It’s 90% Josh. Just like it was 90% Brady. Quote
BillsVet Posted February 15 Posted February 15 3 hours ago, HappyDays said: No he was on the inactive list quite a bit. After first coming off IR they gave him like 2 games but he was terrible so the rest of the year he was mostly inactive including against KC if I'm remembering correctly. But I won't jump to conclusions about this draft class yet. The 2022 draft class that looks so good now looked terrible after year one. Elam lost his job to a 6th rounder in Benford who looked decent but nothing special back then, Cook was stuck as RB2, Bernard barely saw the field and when he did he looked terrible, Shakir couldn't carve out a role. 2023 is not looking good, admittedly it was known to be a poor class but still. A 1st and a 4th used on Kincaid looks like very poor value right now, Torrence has been decent but iffy, Williams has been decent but iffy, none of the later round picks did anything. Beane's recent draft legacy will depend on how last year's draft picks develop. It is just alarming how he's drafted exactly ZERO difference makers except for the very first pick he ever made. Spencer Brown is as close as he's gotten to finding an elite player with an original draft pick. Way too many singles or strike outs. There's a strong debate being made not to re-sign any of the 2022 draft class. The highly picked RB that comes off the field, an undersized LB who gets nicked up, a good slot only WR and Benford who's an injury concern. That said, they got some good value for the Day 3 picks. Yet, from a positional value standpoint Buffalo has used their last 7 RD2/3 picks on low positional value selections: 2022: RB, LB 2023: G, LB 2024: WR, S, DT I count Coleman as low positional value as a WR because it's clear he's not a boundary receiver yet. 1 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Corollary to that is that even BB was basically mediocre to bad in NE with the best culture in the NFL without his QB. It’s 90% Josh. Just like it was 90% Brady. Yes. And Belichick has lost to Mark Sanchez and Ryan Tannehill in the playoffs. Andy Reid lost to some bad QBs in the playoffs. McDermott doesn’t have those losses yet with Allen as QB. That stuff should matter. Edited February 15 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote
Donuts and Doritos Posted February 15 Posted February 15 Sure there's a lot to criticize about Bean & McD & a lot of questions they need to answer about whether they can get this team over the hump. But I don't recall Jim Monos building any championship teams for us when he was here running things from 2013 until the guys he's criticizing fired him in 2017. So I'll take what he says w/ a dump truck full of salt. 1 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15 Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Sure there's a lot to criticize about Bean & McD & a lot of questions they need to answer about whether they can get this team over the hump. But I don't recall Jim Monos building any championship teams for us when he was here running things from 2013 until the guys he's criticizing fired him in 2017. So I'll take what he says w/ a dump truck full of salt. As Doug Whaley said after drafting EJ Manuel: “If I miss on this pick I’ll be sitting at home with you guys” 2 Quote
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