Governor Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Beans should already be gone. McD should get 1 more season. Quote
finn Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 hours ago, uticaclub said: Did he reference TheStadiumWall? He is expressing what many of us are saying. Nothing groundbreaking. The only nugget I found interesting was their speculation that Beane might be making the calls in the early rounds and his scouts (experts) in the later rounds, which would explain the results we've seen. That, together with their observation that Beane is a management guy with no background in scouting made all the pieces fall into place for me. You see the same thing happen on other teams with the owners or head coaches shouldering in and choosing the first-round players, usually with disastrous results. If this is the case, Beane needs to check his ego at the door on draft day. Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) Bill Belichick never becomes who he is without Tom Brady. They don't win a Super Bowl. Bill doesn't date 20 years old women (maybe he does) and never goes down as an all timer. That doesn't mean he's bad, but his reputation was lifted so dramatically by Brady. When this is all said and done Beane and and McDermott will have wasted a potential dynasty under the mirage that they're elite performers when the entire time Josh was just propping them up. People here won't get it until it is nearly too late at which point I hope we have enough years on Allen to still have a chance. Edited February 14 by Mikie2times 1 Quote
FireChans Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Everyone felt like Joe Schoen was an incredible talent evaluator and Beane was ***** after he left. Who has had the better drafts despite picking 20-25 picks later? TBH, I think the 2024 Giants roster with Josh have a decent shot of having a better record than the 2024 Bills roster with Josh 37 minutes ago, Cray51 said: Could have taken Braden Fiske, but I'm sure Bills fans would have loved drafted a 24 year old to the line with our first pick... A DROY candidate in the first round? Man, that would not be like Beane at all. He needs guys to shed 30 pounds then put 20 back on while they are a healthy scratch Quote
finn Posted February 14 Posted February 14 46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea he did some scouting when he was promoted assistant GM in Carolina. Dave Gettleman (who got the job over Beane after Beane had been the acting GM when Hurney was fired the first time) took him under his wing and taught him a bit. But he came up on the football ops side. Joe Schoen was the talent evaluator. He is a career scout. I know from people in the building when it came to personnel Beane trusted Joe more than he trusted himseld. I think Gaine and Grey are fine personnel people and I am sure Brandon trusts them. But not like he trusted Joe Schoen. Joe Schoen who let Barkley walk without compensation and signed Daniel Jones to a $92 million contract before releasing him, too, also without compensation? This is the guy whose judgment Beane trusted above his own? Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Bill Belichick never becomes who he is without Tom Brady. They don't win a Super Bowl. Bill doesn't date 20 years old women (maybe he does) and never goes down as an all timer. That doesn't mean he's bad, but his reputation was lifted so dramatically by Brady. When this is all said and done Beane and and McDermott will have wasted a potential dynasty under the mirage that they're elite performers when the entire time Josh was just propping them up. People here won't get it until it is nearly too late at which point I hope we have enough years on Allen to still have a chance. The dynasty dreams are looking like they are gone … 2024 is looking like an opportunity missed … Would like to see McBeane make a move in 2025 … because they aren’t going anywhere at least until 2027 Edited February 14 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted February 14 Posted February 14 Huh? There are a lot of players that are speed demons late in the draft...most of them suck at actually playing football tho. Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 14 Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, finn said: Joe Schoen who let Barkley walk without compensation and signed Daniel Jones to a $92 million contract before releasing him, too, also without compensation? This is the guy whose judgment Beane trusted above his own? Joe will be back in Buffalo next year when the Giants let him go … dead man walking this year Quote
FireChans Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said: There’s nothing groundbreaking about any of Monos’ opinions. His criticisms ignore Beane’s successes. One need only look at the Bills roster and see it is filled with Beane draftees. (Currently 30 out of 70)During the drought, when Monos was with the team, the lack of rostered draftees was startling. The 24 draft alone yielded seven who are still with the club. 2 (33): WR Keon Coleman, Florida State 2 (60): S Cole Bishop, Utah 3 (95): DI DeWayne Carter, Duke 4 (128): RB Ray Davis, Kentucky 5 (141): C Sedrick Van Pran, Georgia 5 (160): LB Edefuan Ulofoshio, Washington 5 (168): ED Javon Solomon, Troy 6 (204): T Tylan Grable, UCF 6 (219): CB Daequan Hardy, Penn State 7 (221): G Travis Clayton, International The key in my view, McBeane MUST be one on the type of defense they are running and the type of players they need. I am hopeful their take-a-way from SB59 is that a big physical defense will give KC problems. Seeing that they build one through the draft and free agency. The time for mediocrity on defense is over. If the Rams and Philly can do it, you can. Nap time is over. Um the entire 2015 draft was with the Bills in 2015. The entire 2014 draft was with the Bills in 2014. The entire 2013 draft was with the Bills in 2013, except for the kicker who got beat out in camp. what Quote
JoeF Posted February 14 Posted February 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: One thing about Whaley and Monos was they went after big fish in the draft and in the pros. But if he said that to me I would’ve said but you drafted 4.3 Sammy Watkins over Mike Evans? 2014 1-4Sammy Watkins 2-44Cyrus Kouandjio 2015 2nd Round Ronald Darby (1st rounder for Watkins) 2016 1st Shaq Lawson 2nd Reggie Ragland Playoff appearances in the Whaley/Monos era - 0 AFC Championship Game appearances in the Whaley/Monos era - 0 Hello glass houses.... Shut up Jim. Edited February 14 by JoeF 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 14 Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The dynasty dreams are looking like they are gone … 2024 is looking like an opportunity missed … Would like to see McBeane make a move in 2025 … because they aren’t going anywhere at least until 2027 If we can get a high enough level of talent we still can do it with McD. I don't think the guy is THAT bad. He can win a Super Bowl, but he isn't going to do it with this C grade roster on defense (which he very well could of had a large hand in acquiring). So yes, I agree, Rams style, this team needs to go all in. If we don't add some real difference makers next year I can pretty much tell you how the year will unfold. 1 Quote
wppete Posted February 14 Posted February 14 3 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: I wish I could disagree but ….. He’s not wrong on alot of those criticisms. Its unfortunate. Quote
GunnerBill Posted February 14 Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, finn said: Joe Schoen who let Barkley walk without compensation and signed Daniel Jones to a $92 million contract before releasing him, too, also without compensation? This is the guy whose judgment Beane trusted above his own? That's the one. Although the Jones contract was pretty much at the owner's insistence. Quote
Mikey152 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 hours ago, Einstein said: 2021: Taking Boogie Basham over Creed Humphrey was an all time screw up. 2022: Took Elam. Allowed KC to jump in front of us and take All-Pro McDuffie. Pro Bowl Tackle Tyler Smith went one pick after Elam. Pro Bowl (and one of the best int the NFL) Center Tyler Lindenbaum went 2 picks after Elam. 2023: Took Kincaid. Defensive rookie of the year finalist Joey Porter Jr went after. Offensive rookie of the year finalist LaPorta went after him too. To be fair, Porter had an up-and-down second year too. There would have been riots if the Bills drafted Laporta in the first or over Kincaid. Or if they drafted a CB. ironically, you named a tackle (they already have two stars they drafted) and two centers. Hardly world beaters and EXACTLY the type of guys you get at the end of the first round. Not elite pass rushers or receivers like this board wants. Those guys are either long gone or lottery tickets. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 14 Posted February 14 43 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: King of what? Sure he's responsible for the best run in Bills history. His record is still tied with Levy for Super Bowl wins. All it takes is 1 and he’s wearing a gold jacket. Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted February 14 Posted February 14 10 minutes ago, finn said: The only nugget I found interesting was their speculation that Beane might be making the calls in the early rounds and his scouts (experts) in the later rounds, which would explain the results we've seen. That, together with their observation that Beane is a management guy with no background in scouting made all the pieces fall into place for me. You see the same thing happen on other teams with the owners or head coaches shouldering in and choosing the first-round players, usually with disastrous results. If this is the case, Beane needs to check his ego at the door on draft day. I saw that too, but they conveniently left out the Josh Allen pick. So, if the scouts didn't want Josh but Beane did it on his own, I'd be reluctant to give it up if I were Beane. The one thing that bothered me in their analysis is calling trading for Myles Garrett "lazy GMing". Please that would be a masterful coup. A GM's job is not just drafting it's assembling a team. And Von Miller IMO, didn't backfire, it just didn't work. Von got injured, always a risk, but prior to the injury the Bills were the superbowl favorites. If we're favorites again with an addition of Garrett, "lazy GMing" or not, I'll take it. 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 14 Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, JoeF said: 2014 1-4Sammy Watkins 2-44Cyrus Kouandjio 2015 2nd Round Ronald Darby (1st rounder for Watkins) 2016 1st Shaq Lawson 2nd Reggie Ragland Playoff appearances in the Whaley/Monos era - 0 AFC Championship Game appearances in the Whaley/Monos era - 0 Hello glass houses.... Shut up Jim. He’s allowed to criticize. He’s a fan just like us. Quote
DapperCam Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Steptide said: Imo Beane and McDermott have made 2 really good 1st round picks - Allen and Tre White. That's litterally it. Nobody else has lived up to being drafted round 1 Edmunds was probably worth his drafted spot (or at least he's paid like it). Rousseau is probably worth his drafted spot. Ed Oliver hasn't been a bust, but hasn't been worth a top-10 pick. Bills just haven't had a pick that isn't at the end of the draft since 2019. That will be 6 drafts ago after this April. Maybe we should have been more aggressive trading up, but usually the bottom of the first round isn't going to have elite talent. It will be either high risk raw prospect, or a lower ceiling "sure thing" guys. Just to compare to a team in a similar circumstance, here are the KC 1st round picks since Mahomes: - Clyde Edwards-Helaire - Trent McDuffie - George Karlaftis - Felix Anudike-Uzomah - Xavier Worthy CEH and Anudike-Uzomah are busts. McDuffie was a hit. Karlaftis is fine (probably equivalent to Rousseau). Worthy was fine, but more of a complementary piece. They've drafted a tick better than us, but not dramatically better IMO. Quote
Old Coot Posted February 14 Posted February 14 23 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Bill Belichick never becomes who he is without Tom Brady. Does Tom Brady become who he is without Belichick? One could say the relationship was synergistic and both became better for it. Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 14 Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Old Coot said: Does Tom Brady become who he is without Belichick? One could say the relationship was synergistic and both became better for it. Given he had Bernie Kosar and Drew Bledsoe, two players with much more raw talent, I would yes. Quote
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