Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted Friday at 10:02 PM Posted Friday at 10:02 PM On 2/13/2025 at 2:19 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said: Year over year improvement of the players must be stagnating. Training goals are not being met. More than a coach, could see where a person in that position gets too close to the players and allows them to miss goals and maybe even covers for them? Quote
somnus00 Posted Friday at 11:30 PM Posted Friday at 11:30 PM Key injuries the last few years, odd transitional year for Epenesa, Kincaid not getting stronger in year 2. Seems like upgrading is needed in strength and conditioning. Quote
Breakout Squad Posted Saturday at 04:02 AM Posted Saturday at 04:02 AM I’m gonna guess he was banging an employee. Was pulling a Russ Brandon. 1 Quote
Fr. Jerk Posted Saturday at 04:23 AM Posted Saturday at 04:23 AM Don't ask Doug Whaley, he won't be privy to that info, ya dig? Quote
Mr. WEO Posted Saturday at 03:48 PM Posted Saturday at 03:48 PM On 2/13/2025 at 2:13 PM, Big Turk said: Obviously they feel they can improve at that position is the simple answer. same reason they keep firing the ST Coordinator?---they will find the right guy one of these seasons? Quote
LabattBlue Posted Saturday at 04:19 PM Posted Saturday at 04:19 PM (edited) It is truly the off-season when there are over a 100 posts in a thread discussing the firing of the S&C coach. 😂 Edited Saturday at 04:20 PM by LabattBlue Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted Saturday at 04:25 PM Posted Saturday at 04:25 PM Reading how well the Bill's strength staff was rated by NFLPA, there's got to be something that happened behind the scenes that lead to him being fired, likely something HR related?? Unless it's so big it becomes a law suit probably never hear. Quote
BUFFALOBART Posted Saturday at 06:14 PM Posted Saturday at 06:14 PM On 2/13/2025 at 1:51 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I've been bitching about the strength, and conditioning of this team, for several seasons. The Bills were gassed, defensively in the fourth quarter, in a number of games. Some injuries are the result, of improper conditioning. The Bills have had more than their share of bad luck, in this regard. Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but I see this, as a very positive change! 1 Quote
LabattBlue Posted Saturday at 07:38 PM Posted Saturday at 07:38 PM 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: I've been bitching about the strength, and conditioning of this team, for several seasons. The Bills were gassed, defensively in the fourth quarter, in a number of games. Some injuries are the result, of improper conditioning. The Bills have had more than their share of bad luck, in this regard. Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but I see this, as a very positive change! Enquiring minds want to know…what injuries did the Bills incur that were caused by improper conditioning? Quote
Richard Noggin Posted Sunday at 03:03 AM Posted Sunday at 03:03 AM 8 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said: I've been bitching about the strength, and conditioning of this team, for several seasons. The Bills were gassed, defensively in the fourth quarter, in a number of games. Some injuries are the result, of improper conditioning. The Bills have had more than their share of bad luck, in this regard. Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but I see this, as a very positive change! 8 commas, in 5, sentences lol Actually agree with many that this could simply be about a difference of opinion (or lack of fresh opinion) on how the team will step up their strength and conditioning outcomes. Until we know more (which may be never) it could/should be the Occam's Razor explanation, except that Ciano was reportedly FIRED, rather than parted ways with. (Simple explanation there is Ciano just wouldn't agree to a mutual parting of ways, for whatever reasons. Paging Tyler Dunne and Monos and Whaley...) Your observation, that the bills were visibly gassed on defense on several occasions, warrants more specifics/examples so we can examine the claim, if you think it's valid. I'm curious. Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted Sunday at 03:29 AM Posted Sunday at 03:29 AM Also,what about issues like Curtis Samuels injury? It seemed to linger longer than it should. He is still a guy I would like to see used like Debo Samuel. I still hope he can be what we imagined when he signed with us. 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted Sunday at 02:56 PM Posted Sunday at 02:56 PM On 2/13/2025 at 6:41 PM, Peter said: If he were such a crap OC, why did McDermott hire him to begin with . . . . He's fired 3 ST Coordinators, 2 COs and pushed Fraziern into a career ending "break from coaching"... Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted Sunday at 02:57 PM Posted Sunday at 02:57 PM 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: He's fired 3 ST Coordinators, 2 COs and pushed Fraziern into a career ending "break from coaching"... I am giving Sean a break believe it or not. Look at how he was at his year-end presser and how he is bringing in more staff to move to a man coverage. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted Sunday at 02:58 PM Posted Sunday at 02:58 PM Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: I am giving Sean a break believe it or not. Look at how he was at his year-end presser and how he is bringing in more staff to move to a man coverage. which staff ? Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted Sunday at 02:59 PM Posted Sunday at 02:59 PM Just now, Mr. WEO said: which staff ? The former DC of Jags/Falcons and the hiring of NE's DB coach. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted Sunday at 03:25 PM Posted Sunday at 03:25 PM 5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: The former DC of Jags/Falcons and the hiring of NE's DB coach. Neilson coached the worst passing Defense in the NFL last season. Anyway, position coaches (and "senior assistants") don't make the defensive backfield better. They need starter upgrades all around--currently they have one legit starting level DB on the roster at this point. Is the guy from NE bringing Christian Gonzalez with him? It seems an annual event: each year end (playoff loss) presser, McBeane tells us what they're going to do differently next year...and fire a coordinator. Quote
RyanC883 Posted Sunday at 04:17 PM Posted Sunday at 04:17 PM FO searching hard for scapegoats 22 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said: I've been bitching about the strength, and conditioning of this team, for several seasons. The Bills were gassed, defensively in the fourth quarter, in a number of games. Some injuries are the result, of improper conditioning. The Bills have had more than their share of bad luck, in this regard. Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but I see this, as a very positive change! good points about being gassed, but in terms of time lost to injury we are one of the better teams in the league Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted Sunday at 04:44 PM Posted Sunday at 04:44 PM 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Neilson coached the worst passing Defense in the NFL last season. Anyway, position coaches (and "senior assistants") don't make the defensive backfield better. They need starter upgrades all around--currently they have one legit starting level DB on the roster at this point. Is the guy from NE bringing Christian Gonzalez with him? It seems an annual event: each year end (playoff loss) presser, McBeane tells us what they're going to do differently next year...and fire a coordinator. I am one of McDermott's biggest critics, to the point Simon has shut me down because of "crusaiding". Butat his year end presser he seemed different. As for as firing coordinators, our Special teams have sucked and needed a change. Strength and conditioning needed a change as well. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted Sunday at 05:07 PM Posted Sunday at 05:07 PM 4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I am one of McDermott's biggest critics, to the point Simon has shut me down because of "crusaiding". Butat his year end presser he seemed different. As for as firing coordinators, our Special teams have sucked and needed a change. Strength and conditioning needed a change as well. why does he keep hiring bad ST coordinators? Anyway, Ciano was Strength coach of the year in 2020. This season, the Bills had the least money locked up in guys on IR or PUP in the NFL> Did this guy just forget how to condition Bills players? Guys get injured, some make it all the way back, some don't. Most of that falls on the player, not the guy who trains him. The Lions had far more devastating injuries than the Bills (Lions had the highest points missed per game due to guys on IR or PUP---the Bills hd the least). Did the Lions fire their S and C Coach? It's not clear how McD thinks the next guy will be better at this. There seems to be a thought process that leads to the believe that the next guy will have some magic that no other NFL team's staff has or methods no one else knows, because all serious NFL injuries should now result complete or near complete recovery in all cases...... Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted Sunday at 05:20 PM Posted Sunday at 05:20 PM 12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: why does he keep hiring bad ST coordinators? Anyway, Ciano was Strength coach of the year in 2020. This season, the Bills had the least money locked up in guys on IR or PUP in the NFL> Did this guy just forget how to condition Bills players? Guys get injured, some make it all the way back, some don't. Most of that falls on the player, not the guy who trains him. The Lions had far more devastating injuries than the Bills (Lions had the highest points missed per game due to guys on IR or PUP---the Bills hd the least). Did the Lions fire their S and C Coach? It's not clear how McD thinks the next guy will be better at this. There seems to be a thought process that leads to the believe that the next guy will have some magic that no other NFL team's staff has or methods no one else knows, because all serious NFL injuries should now result complete or near complete recovery in all cases...... Ypu bring up solid points,and I honestly have no answer for you. 1 Quote
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