James Cook on IG Live - "15 mill year" EDIT: Scrubbed his IG and Doubled Down on Twitter

[SCBills]

Unfortunately, the same reason I don’t think we should pay him, is also the same reason im not sure we’d get a pick back that makes sense to move him

for.   (Unless he’s committed to holding out and being a distraction)

 

This draft class is LOADED at running back.   Are teams going to be willing to send us a Day 2 pick for a guy they know wants 15M per year or just draft a guy?

 

Cook is good enough that I think teams could be interested in trading for the sure thing, but this draft class probably lowers our negotiation ability if we are open to trading him. 

[Einstein's Dog]

57 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

While personally, I do not agree with how Cook is handling things, I just chalk it up to how kids are these days. All about getting attention.

 

Being on the older side myself,  I look at it as, you have an agent, you're paying him to do a job with your best interests in mind, let him do his job. If your not happy with the outcome then change agents or voice your opinion towards him. What's the sense of having an agent if you are basicically going around him?

 

As a manager for a large company/business myself, Cook's posts/actions just put you at the bottom of my list of priorities. I'll deal with you when I am ready. As far as I am concerned, I wouldn't do anything with his contract until after the draft at this point. Heck, I might even bump him up on the list as part of a possible trade option (🫣). Great talent and would love to keep him, but, it is what it is. Team/business over individual preference. 😁

You seem to be assuming his agent had nothing to do with the post.  You also seem to think that being part of a trade is something Cook would not like.  I'm not sure either of those are true.

[Big Blitz]

2 hours ago, Steptide said:

 

 

Translation?

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Unfortunately, the same reason I don’t think we should pay him, is also the same reason im not sure we’d get a pick back that makes sense to move him

for.   (Unless he’s committed to holding out and being a distraction)

 

This draft class is LOADED at running back.   Are teams going to be willing to send us a Day 2 pick for a guy they know wants 15M per year or just draft a guy?

 

Cook is good enough that I think teams could be interested in trading for the sure thing, but this draft class probably lowers our negotiation ability if we are open to trading him. 

 

Just want to open a discussion on this "holdout" stuff.

What are the rules and the consequences of a Cook holdout?

 

He cannot hold out long enough to not accrue a season.  He only has 3 and if he did that, he would become an RFA next spring.

It's not like a guy who was tagged that already had his 4-years accrued completed.

 

He stands to make $5.3M in salary.  That equates to $312k per gameday checks.  Cook has only grossed $4.3M his whole career.

But even before that he will start losing money holding out mandatory minicamps.

 

For anyone who knows more than I, what am I missing here?

Does anyone really think James Cook is going to holdout like Le'Veon Bell?

 

 

[LyndonvilleBill]

27 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So as a manager and supposed leader, you have an equally immature reaction, decide to pout in the corner and give the silent treatment, and risk your company's (team's) success because you want to be butthurt over a few emojis? Ignore your top talent because of a couple social media posts?

 

I'd hope my leadership team would be above that, realize that the posts mean nothing, not let their emotions get the best of them, and stay on track with our top priorities.

Pout? Silent treatment? Butt hurt... Oh brother... LOL. 

 

You don't reward a child that is throwing a temper tantrum in the store.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Pout? Silent treatment? Butt hurt... Oh brother... LOL. 

 

You don't reward a child that is throwing a temper tantrum in the store.

 

Your perception that a comment and a few emoji posts are the equivalent of "throwing a tantrum" says more about you than Cook. That's my point in the above post as well. Luckily for all of us, Beane is more professional and mature than that.

[LyndonvilleBill]

32 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

You seem to be assuming his agent had nothing to do with the post.  You also seem to think that being part of a trade is something Cook would not like.  I'm not sure either of those are true.

If the agent is advising him to post in SM regarding contracts, he should probably find a better agent.😂

 

You are correct as I am assuming he wants to remain here. As with many very good players, I would think they would like to remain with one of the top teams.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

34 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

You seem to be assuming his agent had nothing to do with the post.  You also seem to think that being part of a trade is something Cook would not like.  I'm not sure either of those are true.

 

I'd agree that the scrubbing of Bills logos was most likely at the advisement of his agent.

 

But I dont think his one comment posted deep in someone else's post and then 3 emoji posts is some well coordinated deep conspiracy business maneuver. Most likely just a typical 25 year old who is a bit bored on "summer" break.

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Your perception that a comment and a few emoji posts are the equivalent of "throwing a tantrum" says more about you than Cook. That's my point in the above post as well. Luckily for all of us, Beane is more professional and mature than that.

We will see how/if things work out soon enough. 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

We will see how/if things work out soon enough. 

 

We will. But regardless of what happens, it will have nothing to do with his social media.

[Einstein's Dog]

4 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

If the agent is advising him to post in SM regarding contracts, he should probably find a better agent.😂

 

You are correct as I am assuming he wants to remain here. As with many very good players, I would think they would like to remain with one of the top teams.

But you seem to be thinking his motivation is to be with a good team over maximizing his paycheck.  The Bills have a reputation of not paying big money to RBs.  Cook may want to cash in on his outlier season and to do that he needs to be with a team that pays big money to RBs.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

We will. But regardless of what happens, it will have nothing to do with his social media.

We have no idea if this is true or not. 
 

This is the first player in the Beane era that I can remember openly negotiating like this. 
 

Diggs, we still don’t know the full story on, but i don’t think it’s a coincidence that after his direct shot at JA on social media, Beane pulled the trigger. 

[Saint Doug]

20 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Just want to open a discussion on this "holdout" stuff.

What are the rules and the consequences of a Cook holdout?

 

He cannot hold out long enough to not accrue a season.  He only has 3 and if he did that, he would become an RFA next spring.

It's not like a guy who was tagged that already had his 4-years accrued completed.

 

He stands to make $5.3M in salary.  That equates to $312k per gameday checks.  Cook has only grossed $4.3M his whole career.

But even before that he will start losing money holding out mandatory minicamps.

 

For anyone who knows more than I, what am I missing here?

Does anyone really think James Cook is going to holdout like Le'Veon Bell?

 

 

We should just promise not to Franchise him if he shows up to camp on time. Franchise tag would be $13.6M. It would then be up to him to have a record contract year. He’ll actually hurt his own cause if he holds out on a contract year. 

[Beast]

4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But you seem to be thinking his motivation is to be with a good team over maximizing his paycheck.  The Bills have a reputation of not paying big money to RBs.  Cook may want to cash in on his outlier season and to do that he needs to be with a team that pays big money to RBs.

The NFL, in general, has a reputation for not paying running backs. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

We should just promise not to Franchise him if he shows up to camp on time. Franchise tag would be $13.6M. It would then be up to him to have a record contract year. He’ll actually hurt his own cause if he holds out on a contract year. 

 

That's how I'm seeing it.

IF what he wants is not going to be provided by Beane and Bills, he's best just to play this year and go to FA next year.

Messing around this year just hurts himself like you said.

[LyndonvilleBill]

11 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But you seem to be thinking his motivation is to be with a good team over maximizing his paycheck.  The Bills have a reputation of not paying big money to RBs.  Cook may want to cash in on his outlier season and to do that he needs to be with a team that pays big money to RBs.

He may want to, but as we are seeing lately,  more and more players are looking to play with contenders. I'm not against paying him what he is worth to the team, I just don't like how he is going about it. I'm not a SM kinda guy, but to each their own. I don't think it helps.🤷‍♂️

Edited 6 hours ago by LyndonvilleBill

[SCBills]

Just now, Beast said:

The NFL, in general, has a reputation for not paying running backs. 

Thats definitely changing, but unless Beane wants to go full Howie Roseman and treat void years like lines of coke, I just don’t see how it makes sense to have a 75M+ backfield when you have an Allen, Burrow, Mahomes etc.. 

 

The Ravens aren’t even paying that for Henry, nevermind the fact they signed him for a 2-3 year window last year. 
 

I don’t blame Cook for going on the offensive in wanting to get paid given the Bills having never handed out a contract like that to a RB under Beane, but it didn’t need to be so constantly public, and at a certain point… maybe we just do right by him and trade him somewhere that will?   
 

I hear the “run him into the ground and let him walk” sentiment, but I also don’t want Cook playing all year on pins and needles worried one wrong move and his future earnings disappear. 
 

While I’m not a huge fan of all this.. I also believe he’s good enough to not have to worry about that.   Someone will pay him what he wants right now.. As long as we’re not getting completely clowned on the trade I’d do it A) because it makes sense for us and B) because it’s the right thing to do for him

[DrDawkinstein]

16 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We have no idea if this is true or not. 
 

This is the first player in the Beane era that I can remember openly negotiating like this. 
 

Diggs, we still don’t know the full story on, but i don’t think it’s a coincidence that after his direct shot at JA on social media, Beane pulled the trigger. 

 

It's been explained numerous times, in detail, how there is no equivalency between Diggs and Cook.

 

Diggs had a meltdown, on the HEAD COACH, in front of EVERYONE, on the first day of OTAs.

Cook posted 3 emojis celebrating someone else's contract with not one single disparaging word towards the Bills.

So just stop right there.

[MasterStrategist]

11 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think where we disagree is how/where they are handling their business.

Cook , now multiple times has posted direct, and passive aggressive comments , (or emojis) that he wants more money on social media.

 

If Garrett put on social media that he wants out or gave passive aggressive comments, (like Diggs for example) then I would agree with you. But he didn't . He asked for a trade behind closed curtains and wrote a very classy letter after the fact .

 

I can't say I see any similarities at all between how cook and Garrett handled their business, respectfully.

 

I also think Garrett has earned the right to ask for a trade as he's a 8 year vet. Cook is still in his rookie contract 

Funny how Garrett was WAY more outspoken(actual words/media appearances/not emoji), and look what just happened.

 

So gonna say Garrett went about this the wrong way too? Lol.

 

Honestly, the situations are completely different but one can certainly say Garrett used the media to get what he wanted (more $$$$).  Cook doing it way more passive somehow triggers people

[BillsFan130]

43 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Funny how Garrett was WAY more outspoken(actual words/media appearances/not emoji), and look what just happened.

 

So gonna say Garrett went about this the wrong way too? Lol.

 

Honestly, the situations are completely different but one can certainly say Garrett used the media to get what he wanted (more $$$$).  Cook doing it way more passive somehow triggers people

Huh? Garrett didn't want any of the trade stuff to go public.

 

Cook deliberately went public complaining on social media.

 

I never once said Cook was in the wrong for asking more money. The way he handled it (going on social media), is the immature part I'm saying.

 

Garrett didn't use the media- He didn't want the trade stuff to leak lol. And he was pissed when it did. So he had to address it