James Cook on IG Live - "15 mill year" EDIT: Scrubbed his IG and Doubled Down on Twitter

[Returntoglory]

James Cook showed Bills management AND his teammates his character. He should have kept his mouth SHUT and let Beane do what Beane does.

 

He would have been taken care of and treated fairly, we all know this.

 

Listening to his big mouthed brother has hurt his value.

 

Now, he's good trade bait.

 

His 63 YPG average is middle of the league. The majority of his TD runs were from inside 5 yards.

 

Let's see if Cleveland would like a RB in trade 🤔

 

 

 

 

 

 

[H2o]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Fair enough, I agree with most of your first paragraph.

 

The social media stuff is the way it is nowadays. He isnt the first to do it, and wont be the last. And he wont be the first to do it and still get a big contract. Fans are best off just ignoring it since it simply does not matter.

 

My whole point is, I dont think these other guys not making any noise has anything to do with them getting extensions. If anything, it's more that none of them are on the same level as Cook and are just happy to be getting any 2nd contract in the NFL whatsoever. They're all mid-tier players. Cook is a top 5 (3?) RB in a league that has recently seen a resurgence in RBs.

 

IMO, getting Cook re-signed is where Beane makes his actual money. Anyone can get guys like Bernard or Shakir to sign a $12M/yr deal. Keeping top talent like Cook is what we really need to see.

Yeah, I'm not saying he isn't a good player. He is. I'm not saying he isn't worth a 2nd contract. He is. The perceived value is debatable, but he will get a good 2nd contract from someone. 

 

The issue I see with it is the way he's going about it. It truly does make him look like a child. Demand something, take everything down on your SM that has you in their apparel, and references them until you get what you want. Yeah, that'll show them!!! To me, it screams diva. We just got rid of one of those. Yes the Stef situation was different, but he was a diva none the less. A me first guy. And before anyone says he's risking injury with no guarantees, he's guaranteed $5.2M this year and is free to take out an insurance policy on himself for injury. He's also risked injury playing this game since he was a child. 

 

The Bernard contract was alright. He's a solid player. I liked the Shakir signing. I liked the Groot contract. When you factor in their pay for this year, the averages are all below what many people had said they would be. All three of them just show up to work and let the rest work itself out. I feel Cook would have been better served to do the same. I do believe it makes a difference with perception from within the organization, but that doesn't mean I'm correct in my belief. We'll see how it plays out.  

[MasterStrategist]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

Yeah, I'm not saying he isn't a good player. He is. I'm not saying he isn't worth a 2nd contract. He is. The perceived value is debatable, but he will get a good 2nd contract from someone. 

 

The issue I see with it is the way he's going about it. It truly does make him look like a child. Demand something, take everything down on your SM that has you in their apparel, and references them until you get what you want. Yeah, that'll show them!!! To me, it screams diva. We just got rid of one of those. Yes the Stef situation was different, but he was a diva none the less. A me first guy. And before anyone says he's risking injury with no guarantees, he's guaranteed $5.2M this year and is free to take out an insurance policy on himself for injury. He's also risked injury playing this game since he was a child. 

 

The Bernard contract was alright. He's a solid player. I liked the Shakir signing. I liked the Groot contract. When you factor in their pay for this year, the averages are all below what many people had said they would be. All three of them just show up to work and let the rest work itself out. I feel Cook would have been better served to do the same. I do believe it makes a difference with perception from within the organization, but that doesn't mean I'm correct in my belief. We'll see how it plays out.  

Your middle paragraph just showing your age, or being overly sensitive to social media.

 

Joe Fan perceives Cook as a (let's just quote some things you said above): childish, diva, me first.

 

Not to mention this continued speculation of "perception from within the organization".

 

What do you know goes on in the organization behind closed doors? Lol. 

 

Beane, McD, Josh, his RBs coaches, other players, Brady - all speak highly of James Cook.  Cook himself said this won't be a distraction to the team.

 

Get over the social media stuff, there are TONS of examples of other NFL players who have approached it the same way.  Team first, dedicated players to their community and team.  Perhaps people are still soured by Diggs, Cook ain't "him".  He's also not his brother.

 

This deal will either get done or not, but it won't be because of social media or anything Cook is doing with taking down pics of himself in Bills gear (how silly does this really sound right now?). 

 

It will come down to $, and compromising on both sides or lack thereof.

 

Nobody, or perhaps mostly no one on here, knows what is happening behind the scenes.  Player A could be a sweetheart in the media/social media, but he or agent causing headaches in negotiations behind the scenes.  Player B could be exact opposite.

 

Bottom line, let's not pretend to know whay we don't know.  Cook/Benford be could be signed to an extension tomorrow, Monday, 2 months from now, etc.  Going to a lot of egg (expensive ones) on people's faces if a deal gets signed with Cook--- way too many acting like "he would have been better served....".  This situation is fluid, should not be a "past tense" right now

[H2o]

45 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Your middle paragraph just showing your age, or being overly sensitive to social media.

 

Joe Fan perceives Cook as a (let's just quote some things you said above): childish, diva, me first.

 

Not to mention this continued speculation of "perception from within the organization".

 

What do you know goes on in the organization behind closed doors? Lol. 

 

Beane, McD, Josh, his RBs coaches, other players, Brady - all speak highly of James Cook.  Cook himself said this won't be a distraction to the team.

 

Get over the social media stuff, there are TONS of examples of other NFL players who have approached it the same way.  Team first, dedicated players to their community and team.  Perhaps people are still soured by Diggs, Cook ain't "him".  He's also not his brother.

 

This deal will either get done or not, but it won't be because of social media or anything Cook is doing with taking down pics of himself in Bills gear (how silly does this really sound right now?). 

 

It will come down to $, and compromising on both sides or lack thereof.

 

Nobody, or perhaps mostly no one on here, knows what is happening behind the scenes.  Player A could be a sweetheart in the media/social media, but he or agent causing headaches in negotiations behind the scenes.  Player B could be exact opposite.

 

Bottom line, let's not pretend to know whay we don't know.  Cook/Benford be could be signed to an extension tomorrow, Monday, 2 months from now, etc.  Going to a lot of egg (expensive ones) on people's faces if a deal gets signed with Cook--- way too many acting like "he would have been better served....".  This situation is fluid, should not be a "past tense" right now

Oh, young man, your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. I truly don't care what he's done, but it DOES make him look childish. It also makes anyone else who does the same look childish as well.

 

If he re-signs, he re-signs. If he doesn't, he doesn't. If he gets traded, he gets traded. If he leaves in FA next year, he leaves in FA next year. I did not claim my belief is gospel either, I said it was my belief. You young whippersnappers don't have to see it my way and I am good with that. I can take my belief all the way with me to get my Senior breakfast at Denny's in the morning. 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

Oh, young man, your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. I truly don't care what he's done, but it DOES make him look childish. It also makes anyone else who does the same look childish as well.

 

If he re-signs, he re-signs. If he doesn't, he doesn't. If he gets traded, he gets traded. If he leaves in FA next year, he leaves in FA next year. I did not claim my belief is gospel either, I said it was my belief. You young whippersnappers don't have to see it my way and I am good with that. I can take my belief all the way with me to get my Senior breakfast at Denny's in the morning. 

Is Saquon Barkley childish? Because he did the same thing two years ago when the Giants tagged him. 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Is Saquon Barkley childish? Because he did the same thing two years ago when the Giants tagged him. 

Saquon got tagged. 
 

Cook has a year left on his deal. 
 

Two very different scenarios. 
 

And if Cook wants to take this route, so be it, Bills should trade him to someone willing to pay that for an electric RB that can’t pass block.  It shouldn’t be a team with a soon to be 60M QB. 

[Jrb1979]

10 minutes ago, H2o said:

Oh, young man, your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. I truly don't care what he's done, but it DOES make him look childish. It also makes anyone else who does the same look childish as well.

 

If he re-signs, he re-signs. If he doesn't, he doesn't. If he gets traded, he gets traded. If he leaves in FA next year, he leaves in FA next year. I did not claim my belief is gospel either, I said it was my belief. You young whippersnappers don't have to see it my way and I am good with that. I can take my belief all the way with me to get my Senior breakfast at Denny's in the morning. 

That's the way the league is now.  I've never seen a fanbase so old school in my life. Many are so anti diva 

[H2o]

7 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Is Saquon Barkley childish? Because he did the same thing two years ago when the Giants tagged him. 

In my opinion, yes, it is a childish thing to do. I don't care which player or their perceived status. You don't have to agree and I don't care if you do not. 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

That's the way the league is now.  I've never seen a fanbase so old school in my life. Many are so anti diva 

This place is a bunch of old men who want to sit the players down and give them a stern lecture on personal responsibility and hard work. 

[Einstein's Dog]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

This is nothing like Diggs.

 

Cook making some social media posts does not affect his offer(s) at all. AT ALL.

 

What did Cook think posting the $15M figure would do?  What was Cook looking to accomplish by putting that figure out there?

 

Without that figure out there, the fanbase would be getting antsy for Beane to get a deal done.  The fanbase wouldn't be solidly on managements side.  Most people would know that calling for $15M was out of line to comparable RBs.

 

Why do you think Cook posted the high $15M figure?

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

James Cook showed Bills management AND his teammates his character. He should have kept his mouth SHUT and let Beane do what Beane does.

 

He would have been taken care of and treated fairly, we all know this.

 

Listening to his big mouthed brother has hurt his value.

 

Now, he's good trade bait.

 

His 63 YPG average is middle of the league. The majority of his TD runs were from inside 5 yards.

 

Let's see if Cleveland would like a RB in trade 🤔

 

Do you think he started complaining without knowing what Beane was willing to pay him? Do you think Shakir, Rousseau, and Bernard came together in the same day?

 

Each of them were signed to fairly team friendly deals. Especially Rousseau, who signed for less than what his expected market value was. Pretty clear that Beane had a number in mind and Cook and his people had a number in mind. And unlike the other 3, they "weren't on the same page", as Beane put it. 

 

The number he had in mind ended up being about what his market value actually is, after the Barkley trade. If Beane wanted to pay it, we wouldn't have heard anything. The guy wants to get paid top dollar and I don't fault him for that. This idea that's floating around that "if he would have kept his mouth shut, he'd have been paid like the other three" is ridiculous. If he wanted to take a team friendly deal like they did, sure. But that's not what he's looking for.

[Returntoglory]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Do you think he started complaining without knowing what Beane was willing to pay him? Do you think Shakir, Rousseau, and Bernard came together in the same day?

 

Each of them were signed to fairly team friendly deals. Especially Rousseau, who signed for less than what his expected market value was. Pretty clear that Beane had a number in mind and Cook and his people had a number in mind. And unlike the other 3, they "weren't on the same page", as Beane put it. 

 

The number he had in mind ended up being about what his market value actually is, after the Barkley trade. If Beane wanted to pay it, we wouldn't have heard anything. The guy wants to get paid top dollar and I don't fault him for that. This idea that's floating around that "if he would have kept his mouth shut, he'd have been paid like the other three" is ridiculous. If he wanted to take a team friendly deal like they did, sure. But that's not what he's looking for.

He shoukd keep his mouth shut. 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

He shoukd keep his mouth shut. 

Every worker should keep their mouth shut and take whatever management gives them?

[BillsFanForever19]

4 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

He shoukd keep his mouth shut. 

 

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

Every worker should keep their mouth shut and take whatever management gives them?

 

[Returntoglory]

24 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

 

Riiight

[MasterStrategist]

49 minutes ago, H2o said:

Oh, young man, your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. I truly don't care what he's done, but it DOES make him look childish. It also makes anyone else who does the same look childish as well.

 

If he re-signs, he re-signs. If he doesn't, he doesn't. If he gets traded, he gets traded. If he leaves in FA next year, he leaves in FA next year. I did not claim my belief is gospel either, I said it was my belief. You young whippersnappers don't have to see it my way and I am good with that. I can take my belief all the way with me to get my Senior breakfast at Denny's in the morning. 

I'm 42 geezer.

 

I quoted you verbatim man.  Laugh it off, you literally said: childish, diva, me first....to explain Cokks behaviour.

 

Then proceeded to say "perception within the organization....", "...Cook would have been better served...".

 

I'm using the words you said.  Reading comprehend your own comments lol.  

 

You're coming off as "get off my lawn", with respect to handling via social media. 

 

He took pics down of wearing Bills gear, boo freaking who.  Lol, like seriously? You must not pay attention to how negotiating with social media, not all players but a fairly many, have occurred in recent years.

 

Childish, I'd go as far to say you're being as sensitive as a child.  It's easy to label people, from a limited perspective of what is happening behind the scenes.  Cook is anything but childish, diva, me first as you specifically said.

 

Again, 42 isn't really a young whippersnapper--- again, your "assuming" is a poor trait and not accurate.  I'll have poor assumptions for 1k Alex.

 

How about stick to the facts here- which is what I stated in my prior post.  Listen to the comments of Josh, Brady, McD, Beane, etc about Cook (as a person and player).  Your "quoted words", can't be further than what they have stated.

 

Either you know Cook personally OR you have an axe to grind with using social media to negotiate?  If the latter, then welcome to the 2020s of player negotiations- a mix of keep your mouth shut on social media, and others who want to advocate for themselves.  A little thing called "freedom of speech", seems to be bothering ppl (yourself included) about Cook ...or maybe some weird fetish with his Bills gear photos?  Only you can answer that.  Maybe something to ponder at Dennys in the am.

[SCBills]

52 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

This place is a bunch of old men who want to sit the players down and give them a stern lecture on personal responsibility and hard work. 

Im just a millennial that doesn’t want to pay a 2 down RB 15M. 

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im just a millennial that doesn’t want to pay a 2 down RB 15M. 

Not your money. They could structure a deal where he get's 15M in cash each year and the cap hit is closer to 10M. All you should care about is the cap hit. 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Not your money. They could structure a deal where he get's 15M in cash each year and the cap hit is closer to 10M. All you should care about is the cap hit. 

Ok, I’m just a millennial that doesn’t want to pay a 2 down RB a 10M cap hit. 

[BillsFanForever19]

19 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im just a millennial that doesn’t want to pay a 2 down RB 15M. 

 

Nothing wrong with not wanting a RB to eat up a whole bunch of cap. I am of the mind we shouldn't either (even though I love Cook as a player).

 

But the insults and acting personally offended bc he's making it known he's not happy about how negotiations are going, which is based in his wanting to be here (or else why would he be upset with it?), by fans is ridiculous and unnecessary.