K D Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, uticaclub said: He’s alone because Kobe (RIP) called him out for cheating on his wife. Lol that's an interesting perspective. He's not alone because he cheated on his wife multiple times and put his work before his family, he's alone because someone snitched on him. I guess that's one way to look at it! 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 17 minutes ago, K D said: Cooks market rate is $10 mil per according to Spotrac. He's asking for $15 mil. That's more than his value. But hey go to the Browns or the Titans, good luck being a rich irrelevant player. Shaq is one of the most depressed people on the planet according to himself. He has a 40,000 sqft house and nobody in it because his wife and family left him. He's talked about it on multiple podcasts. It’s not more than his market if someone will pay it. Lol, Shaq’s business empire was an example. Substitute Magic Johnson’s name in there if you must. The point wasn’t “he wants to be Shaq.” I have no idea what his aspirations are or how much money is “enough” for him. That’s none of my business. We, as fans, significantly overestimate the importance of a title to athletes. Do they care about it? Absolutely!! If you polled all professional athletes anonymously and said, “who you rather sign a 4 year $40M deal and win a Super Bowl or a 4 year $60M deal and play on a bad team” the overwhelming majority would take the $60M. The championship has value to them but not $5M a year worth of value. 40 minutes ago, ddaryl said: The Fans !!!! we are the cash cow! This is the truth. If the fans stop supporting the league and revenues drop, the prices going to players will drop. Those things are tied directly together. Edited February 13 by Kirby Jackson 1 Quote
K D Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s not more than his market if someone will pay it. Lol, Shaq’s business empire was an example. Substitute Magic Johnson’s name in there if you must. The point wasn’t “he wants to be Shaq.” I have no idea what his aspirations are or how much money is “enough” for him. That’s none of my business. We, as fans, significantly overestimate the importance of a title to athletes. Do they care about it? Absolutely!! If you polled all professional athletes anonymously and said, “who you rather sign a 4 year $40M deal and win a Super Bowl or a 4 year $60M deal and play on a bad team” the overwhelming majority would take the $60M. The championship has value to them but not $5M a year worth of value. This is the truth. Of the fans stop supporting the league and revenues drop, the prices going to players will drop. Those things are tied directly together. What's likely to happen is Cook will say he wants 15m per and the Bills will say ok I'm out and then maybe he holds out and then tests the market and gets 11-12m so sure he got some bad team to slightly overpay but that's why they are a bad team. Nobody is choosing them unless they pay over market and everyone knows that. The Bills used to be that team but luckily we aren't anymore (although the Von contract certainly seemed a little desperate). Edited February 13 by K D 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 22 minutes ago, K D said: What's likely to happen is Cook will say he wants 15m per and the Bills will say ok I'm out and then maybe he holds out and then tests the market and gets 11-12m so sure he got some bad team to slightly overpay but that's why they are a bad team. Nobody is choosing them unless they pay over market and everyone knows that. The Bills used to be that team but luckily we aren't anymore (although the Von contract certainly seemed a little desperate). I think you’re right here. I do suspect that the Bills will be “in” on him though. It’s just a matter of whether or not they can strike a deal. If not, he will hit FA (if they don’t take him) and another team will make a bigger offer. Edited February 13 by Kirby Jackson 1 Quote
Chugga Posted February 13 Posted February 13 14 minutes ago, K D said: Cooks market rate is $10 mil per according to Spotrac. He's asking for $15 mil. That's more than his value. But hey go to the Browns or the Titans, good luck being a rich irrelevant player. Shaq is one of the most depressed people on the planet according to himself. He has a 40,000 sqft house and nobody in it because his wife and family left him. He's talked about it on multiple podcasts. To be fair if my market value were 10 million I’d probably ask for 15 too. I expected his original ask to be high so that the Bills have space to negotiate the number down but he’s still rewarded fairly. What I didn’t expect was for him to wait approximately 2 seconds after the eagles hoisted the trophy to start reading the book “The Art of Negotiation” by Leveon Bell. There are just better ways of opening dialogue. 1 2 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13 Posted February 13 19 minutes ago, K D said: Cooks market rate is $10 mil per according to Spotrac. He's asking for $15 mil. That's more than his value. But hey go to the Browns or the Titans, good luck being a rich irrelevant player. He made a couple of social media comments. Not even posts. We have no idea what his agent has asked for or will ask for. But all yall are up in your feelings about it. "It" being social media comments... If that is their starting point, then it's all but guaranteed he will settle for less. Both sides come to the table at their extreme. 5 minutes ago, K D said: What's likely to happen is Cook will say he wants 15m per and the Bills will say ok I'm out and then maybe he holds out and then tests the market and gets 11-12m so sure he got some bad team to slightly overpay but that's why they are a bad team. Nobody is choosing them unless they pay over market and everyone knows that. The Bills used to be that team but luckily we aren't anymore (although the Von contract certainly seemed a little desperate). I know that happens around the NFL, and can happen anywhere. But it isnt the Bills MO. First, there is much more back and forth, and the Bills will surely counteroffer (maybe only once, but they will present a full deal with bonuses, incentives, and guarantees outlined). This has happened with nearly everyone Beane has had to re-sign. And outside of Edmunds (who we didnt care to re-sign), and when Shaq and Jordan Phillips chased the money, Beane has re-signed everyone at a team-friendly yet player-fair deal. And I'm sure all of those negotiations started with the player/agent asking for more than they ultimately got. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13 Posted February 13 6 minutes ago, Chugga said: What I didn’t expect was for him to wait approximately 2 seconds after the eagles hoisted the trophy to start reading the book “The Art of Negotiation” by Leveon Bell. There are just better ways of opening dialogue. The dialogue is between his agent and Beane. And I promise you that Beane doesnt give 2 ***** about a couple of small, social media comments. Quote
K D Posted February 13 Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: He made a couple of social media comments. Not even posts. We have no idea what his agent has asked for or will ask for. But all yall are up in your feelings about it. "It" being social media comments... If that is their starting point, then it's all but guaranteed he will settle for less. Both sides come to the table at their extreme. I know that happens around the NFL, and can happen anywhere. But it isnt the Bills MO. First, there is much more back and forth, and the Bills will surely counteroffer (maybe only once, but they will present a full deal with bonuses, incentives, and guarantees outlined). This has happened with nearly everyone Beane has had to re-sign. And outside of Edmunds (who we didnt care to re-sign), and when Shaq and Jordan Phillips chased the money, Beane has re-signed everyone at a team-friendly yet player-fair deal. And I'm sure all of those negotiations started with the player/agent asking for more than they ultimately got. Those players didn't post their demands online because in the end they wanted to be on the team for a fair compensation. He's drawing a line in the sand with those types of public statements. It's a bad look in the least 1 Quote
KOKBILLS Posted February 13 Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Should he NOT care about the money at his job? 10 minutes ago, uticaclub said: If you don’t take care of yourself, no one else will care about you either. I think you’re the one who is out of touch by calling the guy selfish. I'm definitely not one to say a player does not deserve his market value. But perspective is important here as well... By the end of the 2025 season Cook will have earned over 9 million dollars in the NFL as a late 2nd Rd pick. He's not an every down back, so that's not too shabby. Not to mention he'll be a UFA in 2026 and baring any major injury this year he's going to command a hefty raise no matter what... And he's earned it no question. I love Jimbo and I absolutely appreciate what he's done for this team. But if he's going down the "pay me" road his brother has led him to...if I was Beane...I would package him up in a nice bow and send him off for hopefully a 3rd or 4th round pick, then I would use one of my 2nd-5th round picks on a RB in what appears to be one of the best RB Drafts in recent history. No disrespect to Cook. A trade brings a 5.26 million cap savings in 2025, and who knows, a premium RB could very well slide into the 4th round this year. I just think it's logical to move on now if Cook is looking for anything other than a home town deal. 1 3 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, K D said: Those players didn't post their demands online because in the end they wanted to be on the team for a fair compensation. He's drawing a line in the sand with those types of public statements. It's a bad look in the least That is your opinion on something we arent involved in. Maybe it is a line in the sand. Doesnt matter to me or you one bit. It'll come down to the conversation between his agent and Beane. Quote
uticaclub Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, KOKBILLS said: I'm definitely not one to say a player does not deserve his market value. But perspective is important here as well... By the end of the 2025 season Cook will have earned over 9 million dollars in the NFL as a late 2nd Rd pick. He's not an every down back, so that's not too shabby. Not to mention he'll be a UFA in 2026 and baring any major injury this year he's going to command a hefty raise no matter what... And he's earned it no question. I love Jimbo and I absolutely appreciate what he's done for this team. But if he's going down the "pay me" road his brother has led him to...if I was Beane...I would package him up in a nice bow and send him off for hopefully a 3rd or 4th round pick, then I would use one of my 2nd-5th round picks on a RB in what appears to be one of the best RB Drafts in recent history. No disrespect to Cook. A trade brings a 5.26 million cap savings in 2025, and who knows, a premium RB could very well slide into the 4th round this year. I just think it's logical to move on now if Cook is looking for anything other than a home town deal. “Barring any major injury” is the key here. His earning potential is now higher than it might ever be. Get that money, young man. Quote
KOKBILLS Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, uticaclub said: “Barring any major injury” is the key here. His earning potential is now higher than it might ever be. Get that money, young man. I hope he does... But if it's anything more the 10M AAV I hope it's not in Buffalo... 1 Quote
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: I hope he does... But if it's anything more the 10M AAV I hope it's not in Buffalo... If this team is willing to pay Curtis Samuel $8M/year, pretty sure they’ll find a way to pay Cook potentially $11M or $12M/year for maybe a 3 year deal. Plus, if Cook is only going to make $5M-$6M this year and wants $15M/year, then he’d prob be willing to take like $11M for the next three years, as he gets more money now and still $33M total (in my simple example). 1 Quote
K D Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: That is your opinion on something we arent involved in. Maybe it is a line in the sand. Doesnt matter to me or you one bit. It'll come down to the conversation between his agent and Beane. I think if he wanted to be on the team (with the best offense, the MVP, and one of the best OL's in the league) he would let his agent negotiate for a fair salary that works for both sides. He went outside of that process demanding more than what's expected to be his value which leads me to believe he values top dollar over the team he plays for. Someone will likely give him more than the Bills if that's all he cares about. He's a single guy and can easily relocate. Enjoy playing for the Titans! We don't know how it will end up. Maybe he's just trying to get more out of the Bills. But the numbers him and his brother are posting are astronomical. It likely puts him out of our price range for this position. But a more desperate team might be willing to do it just to get something going on offense. Edited February 13 by K D 1 Quote
uticaclub Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: I hope he does... But if it's anything more the 10M AAV I hope it's not in Buffalo... Same. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, K D said: We don't know how it will end up. Maybe he's just trying to get more out of the Bills. But the numbers him and his brother are posting are astronomical. Ignore social media. That's just a general rule for all of us to live by, too 1 Quote
BeastMaster Posted February 13 Posted February 13 58 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He has a contract and leverage. When you are overpaid in the NFL, they rip your contract up and don’t pay you. Are we okay with that? The leverage you have is when you’re a good value and can hold out. Cook is up for a raise and a significant one. Now he’s pushing the Bills to get something done. Why anyone gets upset about what he wants? That concept is beyond me. We make what our market and skill set warrants. I also don’t understand how him wanting market value makes him of lesser value to the team? He was the best player on the field for the Bills last game and I’m sure he wanted $15M at that point. You didn’t know about it then. So now that you know that he isn’t the kind of guy that you want? Help me understand that? My concern is winning and he has been an important piece. Dude has handled it poorly, and we saw this coming from not just him, but his brother who was also a problem. Don't state your demands publicly, and don't make it look as if you are angry with the team cause of the backlash you received for something you put out there in the first place. Nobody is saying he shouldn't want to get paid. He has the right to seek an extension based on his play this season, but negotiating through the media is not something that organizations that are run well typically encourage, and now all the backlash from fans and his response has already poisoned the well to an extent. I wanted to pay the guy, and if he would've made it known to Beane through his agent I'm sure that there would have been talks, and maybe there still is or will be...who knows. But to me, a guy who chirps about his contract and then proceeds to get upset when he put it out there in the first place screams headache that is always going to be looking for a way to squeeze the most money out of the team he plays for...even if it's at the expense of others and causes problems for the team. Some guys are willing to renegotiate their deals or maybe take a bit less to stick with their team if the team is successful and has other great players around them. Cook seems like the type that wants all he can get and isn't interested in helping the team by maybe taking slightly less or working the contract so they can maintain cap flexibility. I would bet that he would rather play for the Cowboys at 15 mil then the Bills at 12, and there's nothing wrong with him wanting to do that, but maybe that's not the type of player the Bills want on their team? I certainly don't. Quote
Johnnycage46 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ignore social media. That's just a general rule for all of us to live by, too Isn't TBD "social media"? Now I don't know WHAT to do... Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: Isn't TBD "social media"? Now I don't know WHAT to do... No, not at all. This is old school message board posting. We arent following individual people to get information from/about them. We're anonymous commenters. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 57 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The dialogue is between his agent and Beane. And I promise you that Beane doesnt give 2 ***** about a couple of small, social media comments. Correct. But if the dialogue between he and his agent were going swimmingly in Cook and/or Cook's agents view, he wouldn't be doing these things on Social Media. 26 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ignore social media. That's just a general rule for all of us to live by, too I said the same thing about Stefon Diggs last season... Quote
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