Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 12 minutes ago, klos63 said: Maybe I'm missing something, but Is everyone getting bent out of shape over a tweet? And I'll repeat. You can can sign him for example to a 4 year, 60 million extension, and probably not feel the heat to the cap for 2 to 3 seasons. The cap will continue to rise, in 3 years, we'll likely have Dawkins, Milano, Samuel off the books. Basically, the contract isn't executed in a vacuum, lot of other factors come into play. I doubt we'll spend big on WR, so need to have an elite rushing attack and I think Cook is elite. I'm a football scout not a capologist There's plenty of people here who understand the cap better than me 10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I say go with Ty and Ray. Draft Devin Neal later in draft. He wore #4 at Kansas 😎 Big Devin Neal fan in the right scheme 3-4th round , big fan 2 Quote
JAMIEBUF12 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Where was he in the 4th quarter when it was money time? I wouldn’t pay him and I’d roll with Ray Davis no problem. GO BILLS!!! 3 Quote
DCofNC Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 hours ago, Mister Defense said: Wow, you think that poster is unrealistic!!? He got that many yards only because the Bills did not use him the way other teams have used their top running backs. He was the 6th best back this season in ypc with 4.9. Cook became a (more) elite back this year, with amazing vision, speed and, with added size and strength, a back who consistently broke tackles. And he scored over 20 touchdowns. "Let him walk"!!! Come on, it is a flat out preposterous thing to say about the 2nd best player on the team. If the Bills' leadership ever shows this kind of supreme ignorance, like a previous leadership group did with Lynch, it would make me lose hope for the future, this team's potential. He got used that way because he sucks miserably at blocking for the QB even after 3 years so they had to put other guys on the field to do his job. He also has a real knack for dropping easy passes too. Brady maximized Cook. He’s a good player, he’s not CLOSE to Lynch. 1 Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I'm a football scout not a capologist There's plenty of people here who understand the cap better than me Big Devin Neal fan in the right scheme 3-4th round , big fan If the defense plays light inside the 15? Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 10 minutes ago, klos63 said: Saquon has a 3 year 36million contract, no season is over 10 million cap hit, this past season was under 7, year 2 around 10, year 3 under 8 million. It can be done. Yep, totally glossed over all those holes. I don't care about them, whatever they might be. So if Barkley is getting 12 million a year.. James Cook isn't worth 15 or 12 He's not Barkley.. not to say he's not talented but you can't ask for saquon money when you're not him 1 1 Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: So if Barkley is getting 12 million a year.. James Cook isn't worth 15 or 12 He's not Barkley.. not to say he's not talented but you can't ask for saquon money when you're not him That's just wrong, that's not how sports works. New contracts set the price. Look where Allen ranks in QB salary. Certainly most qbs earning more than he does aren't him. Edited February 13 by klos63 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted February 13 Posted February 13 13 minutes ago, ghostwriter said: I don’t think he’s in bad company at all.. For what it’s worth, he had a very good season in 2023 as well.. I feel like his vision has gotten a lot better and I love the way he hides behind blockers. I feel like there was a physicality to his game that wasn’t there years prior.. Should we pay him $15M/year? No, I’m hoping he can come down a bit. I think $12M-$12.5M/year is fair for both sides. I don’t think he’s peaked yet as a receiver either.. I believe he can produce at a higher level. A weapon is a weapon. You build around what you have. Fundamentally we all seem agree on Cook's value: something around $11-13M AAV. He's dangerous with the ball in his hands. Truly special tbh. But 15M is for a 3-down guy or for a team who isn't paying an elite QB imho. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, klos63 said: If the defense plays light inside the 15? Well he plays in a specialized offense.. lance runs a very scheme-oriented offense in Kansas He has repetition in both a gap and zone scheme.. but he probably fits a One cut zone run scheme better at the NFL level He has a nice build but he would rather juke a defender then punish him in a one-on-one.. his burst and vision is great.. his pad level is a little high I think he's a great change of pace back at the NFL level with the ability to be a little bit more.. cook has a lot more explosiveness 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: That's just wrong, that's not how sports works. New contracts set the price. Look where Allen ranks in QB salary. Certainly most qbs earning more than he does aren't him. Yeah Allen is down right now because quarterbacks for 3 years have signed deals.. so he's got pushed down Look at running backs that have signed deals.. he's not top two.. realistically not top three He has production in our offense that does not mean he would produce in 32 offenses across the league at the same rate Saquon Barkley signed a deal last year at 12 some million a year.. one year of NFL inflation doesn't mean James Cook is worth that I would pay him under that but still pay him 1 Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Well he plays in a specialized offense.. lance runs a very scheme-oriented offense in Kansas He has repetition in both a gap and zone scheme.. but he probably fits a One cut zone run scheme better at the NFL level He has a nice build but he would rather juke a defender then punish him in a one-on-one.. his burst and vision is great.. his pad level is a little high I think he's a great change of pace back at the NFL level with the ability to be a little bit more.. cook has a lot more explosiveness Change of pace from what? Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 11 minutes ago, klos63 said: Change of pace from what? If you're a change of pace back in the NFL it means you're typically coming in with a different style than the starter ahead of you He would be a really good running back at the next level to start as a change of pace back in his career... And then grow into something more He's not the guy who's ready for 20 carries a game right out the gate for 10 years... He's better suited for seven to 10 carries a game while he adjusts to the NFL And he has the frame to grow into more.. but just like James Cook need of the work on his pad level the last two seasons.. and he came out this year with low pads braking tackles He also needs to work on some of his game to become what would be considered a feature back at the NFL level... Though he has the skill set and potential for it There's a lot of running backs going in the second and the third rounds that have the ability to turn into feature backs at the NFL level.. you don't need to spend the top 10 pick on one.. you just need to be patient and develop them James Cook has that potential he needs to become a better blocker to be a true three down feature back at the NFL level.. if you can't block on 3rd and seven you're never going to be on the field 70% of the time Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 Quote
gobills404 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Beane should trade him before he leaves for free next year. 1 1 Quote
SydneyBillsFan Posted February 13 Posted February 13 This has taken an unexpected turn. I'd consider 4 yrs / 36m - not a cent more. He's unlikely to agree to those terms so expect he'll be gonski. Quote
ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, gobills404 said: Beane should trade him before he leaves for free next year. He was probably reading through this thread.. 1 Quote
CA OC Bills Fan Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, Mister Defense said: And one of the best all around running backs in the league. Except the problem is he's not an all around back at all. All around backs rush, catch, and block. Thurman Thomas frequently was called the best all around back over Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith because he was a much better blocker (and a better receiver). Cook CAN'T block. 1 Quote
UKBillFan Posted February 13 Posted February 13 6 hours ago, Steptide said: Looks like bro legit wants 15 mil, but man that's way too much for a rb It's true, a team may well decide to pay him 15m. But, if so, it shouldn't be the Bills. 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, gobills404 said: Beane should trade him before he leaves for free next year. 1 Quote
Mike R Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I love James Cook. But the Bills shouldn’t pay him 15 mil. a year. He has one more year on his rookie contract. Either keep him for one more year or trade him. The Bills use running backs like defensive lineman. They rotate in and out. I thought Cook should have played a lot more against the Chiefs. The Bills have 2 good back up running backs and this years draft is supposedly loaded with good backs. As much as I like Cook, the Bills could trade him and try to land Myles Garret. If they keep him and pay him he needs to be the featured back and play most of the game. He’s not even our third down back and Ray Davis is very good. Josh and the offense can get by with out him. The defense needs help bad. With a tight budget and other needs I would not pay top dollar for a running back. 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted February 13 Posted February 13 He’ll be there Week 1…. 2026? I think he might chase top dollar which won’t be Buffalo Quote
BananaB Posted February 13 Posted February 13 *****em! Put him in the package for Garrett and role with Ray Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted February 13 Posted February 13 His trade value will never be higher than it is right now. That’s the move. 3 3 1 1 Quote
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