ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: The touchdowns is partially due to the light boxes that he faces.. the lightest in the NFL James Cook, half this board thought he was a Jag when we drafted him lol called it a reach Ray Davis and ty Johnson.. and whoever we would choose to be our third guy could probably replicate 18 rushing touchdowns together... Doesn't just have to be one guy James Cook is a really good running back with limitations.. to act like he's saquon Barkley or Adrian Peterson or Eric Dickerson would be a lie He's not that type of guy.. he's really good in our scheme and benefits from lighter boxes because Josh Allen Even Joe Mixon is more physical especially late in the season when the holes get smaller the weather gets colder and the hits hurt more.. like that's the most I'd be willing to give him Joe Mixon deal Mixon is a better three down back.. but cook is a better runner.. that equals out Ray Davis and Ty Johnson could combine for 18 TDs? I’m not saying it couldn’t happen, but if I were a gambling man I’d make you a wager.. Once again, as far as team building goes, don’t get too philosophical. Good teams retain talent regardless of the position. You work with what you got.. As far as the light boxes are concerned, while that may true, we are torching teams because of it. If you give Cook an inch he takes a mile.. And as much as I love Josh, it’s nice to have someone who can generate offense outside of him. Do you put a man in the box to stop Cook? Or do you drop a man in coverage to stop Josh? I will also say this, the NFL is seemingly moving towards teams having strong running attacks again. The Eagles have Barkley, the Ravens have Henry, the Lions have Gibbs, the Packers have Jacobs, the Rams have Williams……. we can go on and on.. Joe Brady likes to run a 12 man offense, why oh why would you get rid of your top RB? It would be like a rock band firing their lead singer right before a show.. Allen and Cook together are a nightmare for teams to stop on the ground, especially when they have to account for our passing game. Why change what’s working? People need to remember, once again, just because Cook wants $15M/year, it doesn’t mean he’ll get it and I’m sure he knows that, but when you’re negotiating something, you always start with your highest number. 1 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted February 13 Posted February 13 54 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: His brother yapping at him was a bad influence Bills have seen that before, kinda recently, haven't they? Where's that guy now? But seriously, Cook is super talented and would be a GREAT piece for a team NOT paying an elite QB vet contract...like the Commanders, for example. Or Chicago. Or Houston LOL. Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 44 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: A pure runner is somebody who sounds exactly like it says.. doesn't make running look difficult... There's a good amount of running backs in the league who look like they plod for 4-5 yards Indecisive, choppy steps, not trusting their instincts , their change of direction isn't top notch A pure runner or a natural runner is exactly what it sounds like.. he glides, it looks effortless, even going fast it looks smooth... Some people are just born to run away from other people But that doesn't mean you can break the bank on a guy who plays with the lightest boxes in the NFL statistically and comes off the field on a lot of third Downs.. there's a correct deal for him but it's not 15 million a year I think James Cook gets a lot of touchdowns because teams run light boxes even inside the 15.. and he has the juice to get it to the end zone He's not a all pro type running back unless he dedicates himself to getting stronger and being able to protect Josh Allen because he's going to lose 40% of the snaps... Can't pay a guy 15 million year when he's only on the field 60% He needs to improve and get that number up to 70 some.. or he's just one of the best two down runners... Which with a salary cap you can't pay 15 million If this was baseball sure give him anything.. but we can get three good players for that salary He had 6 tds over 10 yards, 4 of those over 40, one over 60. So really don't think that the defensive scheme has much to do with it. 7 TD's from inside the 5. Normally, teams laud players who can punch it in from close. It's just wrong to dismiss that to poor defensive play calling. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ghostwriter said: Ray Davis and Ty Johnson could combine for 18 TDs? I’m not saying it couldn’t happen, but if I were a gambling man I’d make you a wager.. Once again, as far as team building goes, don’t get too philosophical. Good teams retain talent regardless of the position. You work with what you got.. As far as the light boxes are concerned, while that may true, we are torching teams because of it. If you give Cook an inch he takes a mile.. And as much as I love Josh, it’s nice to have someone who can generate offense outside of him. Do you put a man in the box to stop Cook? Or do you drop a man in coverage to stop Josh? I will also say this, the NFL is seemingly moving towards teams having strong running attacks again. The Eagles have Barkley, the Ravens have Henry, the Lions have Gibbs, the Packers have Jacobs, the Rams have Williams……. we can go on and on.. Joe Brady likes to run a 12 man offense, why oh why would you get rid of your top RB? It would be like a rock band firing their lead singer right before a show.. Allen and Cook together are a nightmare for teams to stop on the ground, especially when they have to account for our passing game. Why change what’s working? People need to remember, once again, just because Cook wants $15M/year, it doesn’t mean he’ll get it and I’m sure he knows that, but when you’re negotiating something, you always start with your highest number. You also act like Josh Allen didn't have the least amount of passing attempts he did in the last 6 years We went from a passing offense to a ball control offense.. James Cook has 18 rushing touchdowns because the shift in our offense Josh Allen could throw it a 140 more times for 10 more touchdowns and we could have eight rushing touchdowns from our running backs Josh Allen's throwing went down James Cook running went up.. that's kind of how it goes But yes I don't think we would be missing much going with a young Ray Davis who is improving, a great third down back and then another free agent or rookie It wouldn't impact our points per game that much honestly.. that's why cook needs to take a good number 36 for 3... That's it and he's never getting another contract from me.. because he's Chris Johnson's lite... He's a knock below CJ 2K as a runner.. 11 to 13 million is a sweet spot I would be willing to pay for his talents I'm not going down to his demands at 15 million a year number two overall per year 9 minutes ago, klos63 said: He had 6 tds over 10 yards, 4 of those over 40, one over 60. So really don't think that the defensive scheme has much to do with it. 7 TD's from inside the 5. Normally, teams laud players who can punch it in from close. It's just wrong to dismiss that to poor defensive play calling. Yeah he's great inside the twenties.. he can break off a 60 yard run But teams also play light boxes on him inside the 20.. he faces the lightest boxes in the NFL It's not like we get inside the 20 and teams put 8 in the box... He's facing 6-7 man boxes down the field He's really good at what he does... He's nowhere near Thurman Thomas Adrian Peterson saquon Barkley Eric Dickerson priest Holmes, laveon bell.. insert whoever All pro name He's really good .. he has holes in his game You can't pay him top three money when he has holes in his game and he seems to drop easy passes Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You also act like Josh Allen didn't have the least amount of passing attempts he did in the last 6 years We went from a passing offense to a ball control offense.. James Cook has 18 rushing touchdowns because the shift in our offense Josh Allen could throw it a 140 more times for 10 more touchdowns and we could have eight rushing touchdowns from our running backs Josh Allen's throwing went down James Cook running went up.. that's kind of how it goes But yes I don't think we would be missing much going with a young Ray Davis who is improving, a great third down back and then another free agent or rookie It wouldn't impact our points per game that much honestly.. that's why cook needs to take a good number 36 for 3... That's it and he's never getting another contract from me.. because he's Chris Johnson's lite... He's a knock below CJ 2K as a runner.. 11 to 13 million is a sweet spot I would be willing to pay for his talents I'm not going down to his demands at 15 million a year number two overall per year You're taking over negotiations? Make a good deal please 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You also act like Josh Allen didn't have the least amount of passing attempts he did in the last 6 years We went from a passing offense to a ball control offense.. James Cook has 18 rushing touchdowns because the shift in our offense Josh Allen could throw it a 140 more times for 10 more touchdowns and we could have eight rushing touchdowns from our running backs Josh Allen's throwing went down James Cook running went up.. that's kind of how it goes But yes I don't think we would be missing much going with a young Ray Davis who is improving, a great third down back and then another free agent or rookie It wouldn't impact our points per game that much honestly.. that's why cook needs to take a good number 36 for 3... That's it and he's never getting another contract from me.. because he's Chris Johnson's lite... He's a knock below CJ 2K as a runner.. 11 to 13 million is a sweet spot I would be willing to pay for his talents I'm not going down to his demands at 15 million a year number two overall per year Yeah he's great inside the twenties.. he can break off a 60 yard run But teams also play light boxes on him inside the 20.. he faces the lightest boxes in the NFL It's not like we get inside the 20 and teams put 8 in the box... He's facing 6-7 man boxes down the field He's really good at what he does... He's nowhere near Thurman Thomas Adrian Peterson saquon Barkley Eric Dickerson priest Holmes, laveon bell.. insert whoever All pro name He's really good .. he has holes in his game You can't pay him top three money when he has holes in his game and he seems to drop easy passes So, he's great inside the 20 and cab break 60 yard runs... but that's not good enough. Jesus 1 Quote
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) Im the number 1 never pay a RB guy but I also love James cook. The guy was the 2nd most important player on this team. I’m going to look the other way and go against all I stand for and hope we extend him. Get creative and find a way please. The guy is magic in this offense Edited February 13 by Brianmoorman4jesus 2 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 15 minutes ago, klos63 said: You're taking over negotiations? Make a good deal please So, he's great inside the 20 and cab break 60 yard runs... but that's not good enough. Jesus He also has holes in his game did you gloss over that You act like I'm saying he's a bum and doesn't deserve an NFL contract lol I'm saying the second highest paid running back in the league is too much for the bills to pay... If he wants to take a top 7 deal that's a different story But he's not anywhere near a future Hall of Fame player so paying him the second most in the NFL is not anything I would do 1 Quote
ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He also has holes in his game did you gloss over that You act like I'm saying he's a bum and doesn't deserve an NFL contract lol I'm saying the second highest paid running back in the league is too much for the bills to pay... If he wants to take a top 7 deal that's a different story But he's not anywhere near a future Hall of Fame player so paying him the second most in the NFL is not anything I would do He scores a lot of touchdowns though.. that has to be the key metric for an offensive player, at least for the skill position guys anyways. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, ghostwriter said: He scores a lot of touchdowns though.. that has to be the key metric for an offensive player, at least for the skill position guys anyways. It's a great argument Listen all I do is coach and scout football for the last 20 years.. I evaluate football talent I think James Cook is phenomenal.. I think he's phenomenal In a league with the salary cap I don't know how you could pay him second highest.. they have to work out a better deal Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 3 Quote
ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It's a great argument Listen all I do is coach and scout football for the last 20 years.. I evaluate football talent I think James Cook is phenomenal.. I think he's phenomenal In a league with the salary cap I don't know how you could pay him second highest.. they have to work out a better deal Most folks would agree with you. I got torched on the front page for going against the grain but people were respectful about it so no love lost. It’s all good, we’re all Bills fans anyways.. Cheers. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, ghostwriter said: Most folks would agree with you. I got torched on the front page for going against the grain but people were respectful about it so no love lost. It’s all good, we’re all Bills fans anyways.. Cheers. Listen you make valid points Touchdown score points.. points wins games Do I want James Cook here for the next 3 years Yes 1 Quote
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 13 Posted February 13 He is 100% trolling now He definitely saw the reactions his brother posting 20 mil per were getting and most definitely saw the reactions he got for "pinning a comment" of 15 million per himself got If he isn't trolling at this point , you gotta move on and not even because he isn't worth the contract but because he is dumb as a rock and completely clueless 1 Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Unless I am ignorant, there are ways you can give him 15 mil in actual cash per year while adding Void years to lower the cap hits. The Eagles have 290 million worth of void years. The Bills have something like 33 million…. so we can really “go for it” if Pegula is willing Yeah, if we can make that work then we should certainly do it. Isn't Barkley getting less though if we assume we give 15? I thought Barkley was essentially getting 12m/year but i could definitely be wrong. As long as we pay him less than Barkley i'm fine with it. Just don't think Cook should get paid #1 in the league money. Just gotta figure out how to pay him and the 2 DE's we're bringing in. Trade a few of this year's picks, this year's draft blows anyway. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, L Ron Burgundy said: Yeah, if we can make that work then we should certainly do it. Isn't Barkley getting less though if we assume we give 15? I thought Barkley was essentially getting 12m/year but i could definitely be wrong. As long as we pay him less than Barkley i'm fine with it. Just don't think Cook should get paid #1 in the league money. Just gotta figure out how to pay him and the 2 DE's we're bringing in. Trade a few of this year's picks, this year's draft blows anyway. yea I think 12 - 12.5 is good for both sides. Tell Cook’s agent we will re-do deal and add more $$ if Cook takes another step forward 1 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted February 13 Posted February 13 7 minutes ago, ghostwriter said: He scores a lot of touchdowns though.. that has to be the key metric for an offensive player, at least for the skill position guys anyways. If you look at a season-by-season breakdown of rushing TD leaders, you don't see a majority of 15M AAV RBs. You see SOME really great RBs, and also a lot of talented guys who had some productive seasons, but didn't sustain that level of performance. (Main point here is don't get too righteous about one particular stat, especially TDs. Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It's a great argument Listen all I do is coach and scout football for the last 20 years.. I evaluate football talent I think James Cook is phenomenal.. I think he's phenomenal In a league with the salary cap I don't know how you could pay him second highest.. they have to work out a better deal Maybe I'm missing something, but Is everyone getting bent out of shape over a tweet? And I'll repeat. You can can sign him for example to a 4 year, 60 million extension, and probably not feel the heat to the cap for 2 to 3 seasons. The cap will continue to rise, in 3 years, we'll likely have Dawkins, Milano, Samuel off the books. Basically, the contract isn't executed in a vacuum, lot of other factors come into play. I doubt we'll spend big on WR, so need to have an elite rushing attack and I think Cook is elite. 1 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 46 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You also act like Josh Allen didn't have the least amount of passing attempts he did in the last 6 years We went from a passing offense to a ball control offense.. James Cook has 18 rushing touchdowns because the shift in our offense Josh Allen could throw it a 140 more times for 10 more touchdowns and we could have eight rushing touchdowns from our running backs Josh Allen's throwing went down James Cook running went up.. that's kind of how it goes But yes I don't think we would be missing much going with a young Ray Davis who is improving, a great third down back and then another free agent or rookie It wouldn't impact our points per game that much honestly.. that's why cook needs to take a good number 36 for 3... That's it and he's never getting another contract from me.. because he's Chris Johnson's lite... He's a knock below CJ 2K as a runner.. 11 to 13 million is a sweet spot I would be willing to pay for his talents I'm not going down to his demands at 15 million a year number two overall per year Yeah he's great inside the twenties.. he can break off a 60 yard run But teams also play light boxes on him inside the 20.. he faces the lightest boxes in the NFL It's not like we get inside the 20 and teams put 8 in the box... He's facing 6-7 man boxes down the field He's really good at what he does... He's nowhere near Thurman Thomas Adrian Peterson saquon Barkley Eric Dickerson priest Holmes, laveon bell.. insert whoever All pro name He's really good .. he has holes in his game You can't pay him top three money when he has holes in his game and he seems to drop easy passes I say go with Ty and Ray. Draft Devin Neal later in draft. He wore #4 at Kansas 😎 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Cook is 25. Offer 4 for 50 mil with an “out” after 2 years and void years to bring his cap hit down 1 Quote
ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said: If you look at a season-by-season breakdown of rushing TD leaders, you don't see a majority of 15M AAV RBs. You see SOME really great RBs, and also a lot of talented guys who had some productive seasons, but didn't sustain that level of performance. (Main point here is don't get too righteous about one particular stat, especially TDs. I don’t think he’s in bad company at all.. For what it’s worth, he had a very good season in 2023 as well.. I feel like his vision has gotten a lot better and I love the way he hides behind blockers. I feel like there was a physicality to his game that wasn’t there years prior.. Should we pay him $15M/year? No, I’m hoping he can come down a bit. I think $12M-$12.5M/year is fair for both sides. I don’t think he’s peaked yet as a receiver either.. I believe he can produce at a higher level. A weapon is a weapon. You build around what you have. 1 1 Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Saquon has a 3 year 36million contract, no season is over 10 million cap hit, this past season was under 7, year 2 around 10, year 3 under 8 million. It can be done. 31 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He also has holes in his game did you gloss over that You act like I'm saying he's a bum and doesn't deserve an NFL contract lol I'm saying the second highest paid running back in the league is too much for the bills to pay... If he wants to take a top 7 deal that's a different story But he's not anywhere near a future Hall of Fame player so paying him the second most in the NFL is not anything I would do Yep, totally glossed over all those holes. I don't care about them, whatever they might be. Quote
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