FireChans Posted Sunday at 12:45 PM Posted Sunday at 12:45 PM 54 minutes ago, H2o said: It depends on how the situation is viewed from within. If it is viewed as something that would be a distraction to the team and cause problems, I think they look for the best deal from a team that will give him a contract like he is looking for. Comp picks can't bring peace or develop team chemistry. Sometimes it's best to go ahead and remove the person from the situation. Sure but if they view it that way now they should sell high now. Thats the point. You don’t want to be trading Cook in august. 2 Quote
aristocrat Posted Sunday at 02:13 PM Posted Sunday at 02:13 PM Say raiders are interested. Could we do a second round pick swap and we get a third? We use the third on a rb. Is that a realistic trade? 1 Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted Sunday at 02:47 PM Posted Sunday at 02:47 PM 32 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Say raiders are interested. Could we do a second round pick swap and we get a third? We use the third on a rb. Is that a realistic trade? Was wondering that myself. I'd be looking for a second round swap and then a 3rd, maybe a 4th. I don't know if Cook has as much value as people think. Quote
HOUSE Posted Sunday at 03:25 PM Posted Sunday at 03:25 PM I predict Brandon Beane will make a somewhat fair offer that James Cook's brother will hate. 2 1 1 Quote
Ya Digg? Posted Sunday at 03:38 PM Posted Sunday at 03:38 PM 2 hours ago, FireChans said: Sure but if they view it that way now they should sell high now. Thats the point. You don’t want to be trading Cook in august. If he’s not traded by the draft, then keep him. Once the draft passes there’s no incentive to trade him and he has no leverage-sitting out wont get him paid. And if Cook is a distraction, then that’s the fault of the other players, including Josh. There’s enough leadership on that locker room that there shouldn’t be an issue 3 Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted Sunday at 03:42 PM Posted Sunday at 03:42 PM 5 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I predict Brandon Beane will make a somewhat fair offer that James Cook's brother will hate. I think James Cook's brother has already been personally insulted by the opening offer from the Bills. The problem as I see it is, the best 2 down RB in the league (D Henry) is making $8M/yr. Cook seems to want to be paid among the best 3 down RBs in the league ($12M to dare I say $15? per year). I don't think the Bills want, or plan, on Cook being a 3 down back for them. I'm still trying to make sense of why Cook's team put that $15M figure out there. Did they think the Bills fanbase would rally behind them? 1 Quote
FireChans Posted Sunday at 04:09 PM Posted Sunday at 04:09 PM 31 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: If he’s not traded by the draft, then keep him. Once the draft passes there’s no incentive to trade him and he has no leverage-sitting out wont get him paid. And if Cook is a distraction, then that’s the fault of the other players, including Josh. There’s enough leadership on that locker room that there shouldn’t be an issue Sitting out is his leverage. The Bills are trying to win a Super Bowl. Not having their star running back for half the season is not ideal. Quote
Simon Posted Sunday at 07:03 PM Posted Sunday at 07:03 PM 7 hours ago, FireChans said: Problem with this strategy is that if Cook hits FA and gets a big deal, he may contribute a 3rd or 4th in a comp pick. Does it make sense to sell him during a hold out for 2 fifth’s? one of the einstein’s, either @Einstein's Dog or @Einstein is right. If Beane thinks this is heading to a hold out, get rid of him now. What do you think the Bills could get right now for a 2 down RB who wants an exorbitant salary and is seemingly willing to sit out if he doesn't get it? Maybe a 2nd rnd pick? Compared to possibly getting a 3rd round comp pick if you don't deal him and he walks via FA? You're talking about losing arguably your most dangerous offensive weapon while trying to make a SB run; is that worth moving up just one round on Day 2 of a draft that's over a year away? Having as many hands as possible on deck for a SB run right now is faaaaaar more important for moving up a single round in the draft 13 months from now. Quote
mikemac2001 Posted Sunday at 07:08 PM Posted Sunday at 07:08 PM Cook should get paid and bills should pay him but it needs to be a good fair deal with an out after a few years. He’s breakaway speed and runs are huge you need to be able to score with big plays you can’t dink and dunk every drive the issue is I don’t think they will pay him and draft a replacement who might be able to provide those big plays. Quote
FireChans Posted Sunday at 07:33 PM Posted Sunday at 07:33 PM 27 minutes ago, Simon said: What do you think the Bills could get right now for a 2 down RB who wants an exorbitant salary and is seemingly willing to sit out if he doesn't get it? Maybe a 2nd rnd pick? Compared to possibly getting a 3rd round comp pick if you don't deal him and he walks via FA? You're talking about losing arguably your most dangerous offensive weapon while trying to make a SB run; is that worth moving up just one round on Day 2 of a draft that's over a year away? Having as many hands as possible on deck for a SB run right now is faaaaaar more important for moving up a single round in the draft 13 months from now. 3rd now in this draft maybe. 3rd rounder comp pick won’t come 2 years from now and would obviously be a lesser pick. To be clear, I’m not saying I’d do it for no reason. I’m saying if it’s looking like it’s approaching a hold out situation. As much as I agree Cook is a valued piece for a championship team, if he’s going to hold out and likely not perform all that well, you should try to maximize value before that point imo. Quote
DJB Posted Sunday at 07:39 PM Posted Sunday at 07:39 PM Take notes Cook. Keep your head down and your mouth shut 1 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted Sunday at 08:42 PM Posted Sunday at 08:42 PM 5 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Was wondering that myself. I'd be looking for a second round swap and then a 3rd, maybe a 4th. I don't know if Cook has as much value as people think. Have to be our missing third not another 4th But hoping they don't trade him and his trade value rises this season 😉 5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: I think James Cook's brother has already been personally insulted by the opening offer from the Bills. The problem as I see it is, the best 2 down RB in the league (D Henry) is making $8M/yr. Cook seems to want to be paid among the best 3 down RBs in the league ($12M to dare I say $15? per year). I don't think the Bills want, or plan, on Cook being a 3 down back for them. I'm still trying to make sense of why Cook's team put that $15M figure out there. Did they think the Bills fanbase would rally behind them? False Bravado ? He was drinking or high ? After working out ? His Brother 👍 Just a bad play to go first in public negotiating. If his "team " had any smarts they would be talking up Buffalo Bills etc. I don't feel that applies to him, or his agent so far 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted Sunday at 08:51 PM Posted Sunday at 08:51 PM 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Sitting out is his leverage. The Bills are trying to win a Super Bowl. Not having their star running back for half the season is not ideal. Do you think he would be the difference in a successful season ? Many have talked up Davis and Johnson could carry the load effectively. I am not so sure as the Offensive script would have to change dramatically having Davis as lead back. And Do you think the Bills FO aren't already thinking same ? and planning around that would be wise. Hope it does not come to that But also thinking Bills can draft some worthwhile support in the 4th if he sits And replace him next years draft once defense and WR are solved Quote
Doc Brown Posted Sunday at 08:53 PM Posted Sunday at 08:53 PM Beane just said he's going to wait until after the draft to work on any long term extensions when asked about Cook. 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted Sunday at 08:55 PM Posted Sunday at 08:55 PM 1 hour ago, Simon said: What do you think the Bills could get right now for a 2 down RB who wants an exorbitant salary and is seemingly willing to sit out if he doesn't get it? Maybe a 2nd rnd pick? Compared to possibly getting a 3rd round comp pick if you don't deal him and he walks via FA? You're talking about losing arguably your most dangerous offensive weapon while trying to make a SB run; is that worth moving up just one round on Day 2 of a draft that's over a year away? Having as many hands as possible on deck for a SB run right now is faaaaaar more important for moving up a single round in the draft 13 months from now. Unless you compare that to him being a weenie and sitting out , or Diggs like and disgruntled and a distraction. There surely some value in that part of the equation. tell him to have his best season and he will be showcased, if he shines and plays 3 downs most all season ? We will pay you. >handshake from Beane to cook < Quote
ColoradoBills Posted Sunday at 08:56 PM Posted Sunday at 08:56 PM When was the last time a rookie GOING INTO his 4th year actually held out any games? I can't remember the last one. He is not on his 5th year option and he is not on a tag. This doesn't happen. 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted Sunday at 08:56 PM Posted Sunday at 08:56 PM 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Beanes aint mincing words ! Love that Man Just now, ColoradoBills said: When was the last time a rookie GOING INTO his 4th year actually held out any games? I can't remember the last one. He is not on his 5th year option and he is not on a tag. This doesn't happen. I will hold you accountable then. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted Sunday at 08:59 PM Posted Sunday at 08:59 PM 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: I will hold you accountable then. Brandon Beane doesn't seem worried about it. Can you answer my question? Cook is the one to suffer in a hold out. Not the Buffalo Bills. Quote
3rdand12 Posted Sunday at 09:07 PM Posted Sunday at 09:07 PM 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: Brandon Beane doesn't seem worried about it. Can you answer my question? Cook is the one to suffer in a hold out. Not the Buffalo Bills. " When was the last time a rookie GOING INTO his 4th year actually held out any games?" Hell if I know. But what about him turning weenie? Making business decisions. I dont see that either. He's a competitive Athlete. He will want to succeed. Hence my following comment , which is what I expect tell him to have his best season and he will be showcased, if he shines and plays 3 downs most all season ? We will pay you. >handshake from Beane to cook < I will play devils advocate from time to time and sorry if you took me out of turn Colorado Loved what Happy Days linked us Beane is no one fool i think. Sounds to me like he felt James was pushing him needlessly and responded nicely 1 Quote
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