Simon Posted March 13 Posted March 13 9 minutes ago, wppete said: Good question. Im mot sure either. You're accusing him of yapping when you actually have no idea of how many times he's spoken out? 1 2 1 Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted March 13 Posted March 13 20 minutes ago, wppete said: Is Cook still yapping on social media about a contract? According to earlier in the thread, Yes. From what people have posted here, Cook has done the outrageous $15M request, gone through the pouting phase of erasing Bills related materials, and is now onto the buffering picture (the Diggs equivalent of "Well...."). Reading the tea leaves this is the stage where Cook and his agent have given the Bills a ridiculous figure for an extension and claiming it's up to the Bills (which they of course will not do). Whether Cook will play out his last year of the contract or hold out is now the question. 1 1 1 Quote
klos63 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 19 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: According to earlier in the thread, Yes. From what people have posted here, Cook has done the outrageous $15M request, gone through the pouting phase of erasing Bills related materials, and is now onto the buffering picture (the Diggs equivalent of "Well...."). Reading the tea leaves this is the stage where Cook and his agent have given the Bills a ridiculous figure for an extension and claiming it's up to the Bills (which they of course will not do). Whether Cook will play out his last year of the contract or hold out is now the question. OMG, not the buffering picture!!!! 1 3 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13 Posted March 13 1 minute ago, klos63 said: OMG, not the buffering picture!!!! An OUTRAGOUS ask of $1-2M more than most agree is his market value!!! 1 Quote
RichRiderBills Posted March 13 Posted March 13 Was a discussion on 1 b live about caution to outlier high TD production years. Raheem Mostert was an example of this got released 1 year after career TD year. Quote
klos63 Posted March 13 Posted March 13 22 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Was a discussion on 1 b live about caution to outlier high TD production years. Raheem Mostert was an example of this got released 1 year after career TD year. He'll be 33 years old, injured this past season, had a very solid career. His 'career ' year was in his 9th season. Cook's in his 3rd, just hitting his prime years. Do you really see this as a comparable? 1 Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted March 13 Posted March 13 41 minutes ago, klos63 said: OMG, not the buffering picture!!!! I remember people downplaying each of Diggs posts, unable to see the forest from the trees. That poor, unfortunate simpleton, J Cook, made his third straight social media gaffe - how unlucky can you get. 43 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: An OUTRAGOUS ask of $1-2M more than most agree is his market value!!! As a known Cook sympathizer you can try and position this as $1-2M away. First, I don't buy your "most agree" figure, if that figure is over $10M. Secondly, it's not our valuation that is important, but the FO, and I don't think they buy into your, or Cooks, evaluations. I don't expect an extension anytime soon, if at all. My hope (only because I think the figures are so far apart) is that Cook will honor and play out his current contract. 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted March 13 Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said: Reading the tea leaves this is the stage where Cook and his agent have given the Bills a ridiculous figure for an extension and claiming it's up to the Bills (which they of course will not do). Whether Cook will play out his last year of the contract or hold out is now the question. Cook can't hold out the entire season. He's still on a rookie contract. It would mean he only would have 3 years accrued. He wouldn't be an UFA next year. He would be an RFA. 2 Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted March 13 Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, klos63 said: I don't know what Cook is thinking. I don't really care right now. I'll let it play out and try not to feel a need to insult him along the way. What did he tweet? This is ridiculous to get upset about a buffering image, or the words '15 million'. Everyone needs to get a grip. He's not a simpleton, he's not a gangster. Barely heard the guy say two words his first few seasons here. He's been nothing but a good soldier for the team while having a tremendous year this past season It's up to you to care or not, but you did jump in with the "OMG, not the buffering picture!!!!' comment. So maybe you should be aware of the entire context. I do not think J Cook and his team are simpletons, that is what makes this worrisome. The guy we barely heard two words from is now posting on social media very ominous messages straight out of the Diggs handbook. It's disappointing to a lot of us that when we finally get an exciting, ascending RB, he is posturing for an outrageous payday. 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13 Posted March 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said: As a known Cook sympathizer you can try and position this as $1-2M away. First, I don't buy your "most agree" figure, if that figure is over $10M. Secondly, it's not our valuation that is important, but the FO, and I don't think they buy into your, or Cooks, evaluations. I don't expect an extension anytime soon, if at all. My hope (only because I think the figures are so far apart) is that Cook will honor and play out his current contract. I absolutely agree Beane doesnt. As stated in my post upthread. I expect he gave Cook an extension offer inline with the rest of the offers, probably around $10M-12M. Cook is broadcasting $15M, and some of us suspect he could be negotiated down to $14M. Which is possibly only a $2M difference. But a "market value" is usually higher (even much higher) than an extension value. That;s why the market value I guessed is around $12-$15M whether you like it or not. Someone will pay that. Especially by the 2026 offseason with bigger cap. He'll absolutely play out his contract so he can get out of that contract. Otherwise he doesnt get to hit free agency. Edited March 13 by DrDawkinstein Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted March 14 Posted March 14 16 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: He'll absolutely play out his contract so he can get out of that contract. Otherwise he doesnt get to hit free agency. One of the potential problems though is Cook playing out his contract does not mean starting the season playing the first few games. If Cook goes nuclear I don't think he has to come back until after the halfway point of the season for it to count (isn't it week 11?). That's a painful hit to a team that has aspirations of snagging the #1 seed - every game matters. We'll get an indicator of how ugly the negotiations are with the draft. If the Bills pick up an RB in the 4th it will not be a good sign. Quote
Simon Posted March 14 Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: One of the potential problems though is Cook playing out his contract does not mean starting the season playing the first few games. If Cook goes nuclear I don't think he has to come back until after the halfway point of the season for it to count (isn't it week 11?). That's a painful hit to a team that has aspirations of snagging the #1 seed - every game matters. We'll get an indicator of how ugly the negotiations are with the draft. If the Bills pick up an RB in the 4th it will not be a good sign. I'm not 100% sure, but for some reason I think he has to play 6 games for the year to count toward FA. And if the Bills are planning to hold firm on their offer and let Cook walk next year if it's not enough for him, I think they're likely to draft a RB regardless of whether they anticipate a holdout or not. Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted March 14 Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm not 100% sure, but for some reason I think he has to play 6 games for the year to count toward FA. And if the Bills are planning to hold firm on their offer and let Cook walk next year if it's not enough for him, I think they're likely to draft a RB regardless of whether they anticipate a holdout or not. That's what I thought, which would mean back around week 11 (in this terrible scenario). Previously, I thought they could wait until 2026 for a round 3/4 RB - they have R Davis and Ty for 2 more years. But now I think the FO will take one in what many consider to be a good RB year. 1 1 Quote
ddaryl Posted March 14 Posted March 14 34 minutes ago, Simon said: I'm not 100% sure, but for some reason I think he has to play 6 games for the year to count toward FA. And if the Bills are planning to hold firm on their offer and let Cook walk next year if it's not enough for him, I think they're likely to draft a RB regardless of whether they anticipate a holdout or not. He has to play the full year to get what he is asking for in FAs next year. I can see him holding out of camp, but even that is gamble with so much riding on him wanting that contract... eventually We can place a transition tag on him next year if we feel he is unreplaceable, and even if he is replaceable I would consider the transition tag to orchestatrate a trade for an asset wioth some value before FA Quote
DJB Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Take Hampton or T Henderson round 1 and trade Cook. He is a good RB not a great one as he’s benefited from our oline and Josh. Im not paying him Henry or Saquon money. Hes not a elite game changer like these two 1 1 1 Quote
ddaryl Posted March 14 Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, DJB said: Take Hampton or T Henderson round 1 and trade Cook. He is a good RB not a great one as he’s benefited from our oline and Josh. Im not paying him Henry or Saquon money. Hes not a elite game changer like these two No way we would spend a 1st rd pick on a RB given our needs along the DL and DB Make him play on his deal this year, and be prepared to transition tag him next year. Draft a RB in the mid rounds this year and next Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said: One of the potential problems though is Cook playing out his contract does not mean starting the season playing the first few games. If Cook goes nuclear I don't think he has to come back until after the halfway point of the season for it to count (isn't it week 11?). That's a painful hit to a team that has aspirations of snagging the #1 seed - every game matters. We'll get an indicator of how ugly the negotiations are with the draft. If the Bills pick up an RB in the 4th it will not be a good sign. 47 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: That's what I thought, which would mean back around week 11 (in this terrible scenario). Previously, I thought they could wait until 2026 for a round 3/4 RB - they have R Davis and Ty for 2 more years. But now I think the FO will take one in what many consider to be a good RB year. I'm sure Beane has a very good idea on how this will play out given he is the one in talks with Cook's camp, and I trust him to handle it accordingly. The good news if he does hold out is since so many folks here think he "isnt an every down back", "isnt a game changer", and "isnt even worth $10M/yr", then we obviously wont miss out on much with him sitting out. Quote
Gregg Posted March 14 Posted March 14 I hope they can work something out. Obviously, he is not on the level of Barkley or Henry, but he is the 2nd best player on our offense. Led the league in rushing TD's last year. That is something that can't easily be replaced in the run game. His 2024 stats 207 carries Tied-19th YDS 1,009 16th TD 16 Tied-1st AVG 4.9 Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted March 14 Posted March 14 26 minutes ago, ddaryl said: He has to play the full year to get what he is asking for in FAs next year. I can see him holding out of camp, but even that is gamble with so much riding on him wanting that contract... eventually We can place a transition tag on him next year if we feel he is unreplaceable, and even if he is replaceable I would consider the transition tag to orchestatrate a trade for an asset wioth some value before FA No, Cook does not have to play the full year. Part of the problem is Cook (and his team) feel he is worth big money now. They want to be paid for the anticipated continued rise in his play - not on the basis of the stats he has put up. They want to use the Dr model above where they are paid on an extrapolated basis of what could be if he were a 3 down back. If he plays next year and puts up similar stats, he would be viewed as plateaued and paid as a two down back - a D Henry rate, maybe adjusted upward a little for inflation- not near the $15M he has been posting. This could be the underlying motive to post what he did on social media. The Cook team see his value at his peak right now - there can be a team with a DrDawkinstein view of Cooks extrapolated worth and the Cook team realizes another year of the same stats will tarnish that. Quote
ddaryl Posted March 14 Posted March 14 15 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: No, Cook does not have to play the full year. No he does not have to but it will cost him in FA if he does not is what I said. SO he has to play the full yuear if he wants to have any chance of getting paid what he is asking for IMO. He can hold out for camp but he has to play 17 + games to make the bank. Quote
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