James Cook on IG Live - "15 mill year" EDIT: Scrubbed his IG and Doubled Down on Twitter

[Chicken Boo]

32 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

After committing to Buffalo then reneging on his deal. Even when the Bills gave a UDFA a shot  Yeah, I heard of him.

 

Peters developed into one of the very best LTs in the league and was vastly underpaid for his production at the position, as evidenced by the trade compensation and extension that followed in Philadelphia.

 

It was idiotic to not rightfully pay him his worth and the Bills suffered because of it. 

 

Josh Allen's contract runs through 2028.  Are you gonna hold him to that same standard and talk about how the Bills shouldn't adjust his contract to match the market?  

 

Who am I kidding?  We all know the answer to that, don't we?

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

Peters developed into one of the very best LTs in the league and was vastly underpaid for his production at the position, as evidenced by the trade compensation and extension that followed in Philadelphia.

 

It was idiotic to not rightfully pay him his worth and the Bills suffered because of it. 

 

Josh Allen's contract runs through 2028.  Are you gonna hold him to that same standard and talk about how the Bills shouldn't adjust his contract to match the market?  

 

Who am I kidding?  We all know the answer to that, don't we?

 

I know a lot of fans took Peter's side because the Bills were a trainwreck franchise. But I still think Peters was an a--hole.

[Chicken Boo]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I know a lot of fans took Peter's side because the Bills were a trainwreck franchise. But I still think Peters was an a--hole.

 

He just wanted to be paid what he was worth.

 

Things change in the NFL and players have their contracts amended all the time.  It wasn't anything new.  The Bills were just being cheap.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, nosejob said:

People forget we have Frank Gore jr. who I thought looked good last summer.

He would've been signed by another team last year if they thought he had any shot at helping their run game.  He'll pry be a practice squad guy most of his career just given his physical limitations.  If Cook is traded I'm guessing Beane will draft a similar type back in round two.  I'd be interested for the college evaluators on here who profiles closest to Cook this draft that might be there end of 2nd/3rd.

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

He just wanted to be paid what he was worth.

 

Things change in the NFL and players have their contracts amended all the time.  It wasn't anything new.  The Bills were just being cheap.

Peters was a converted TE and they didn't wanna give him LT money.

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He would've been signed by another team last year if they thought he had any shot at helping their run game.  He'll pry be a practice squad guy most of his career just given his physical limitations.  If Cook is traded I'm guessing Beane will draft a similar type back in round two.  I'd be interested for the college evaluators on here who profiles closest to Cook this draft that might be there end of 2nd/3rd.

and can catch...reliably

[LabattBlue]

4 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

Amen, Dawson Knox last year 22 catches 311 yards 1 TD.  In 2023 22 catches 186 yards 2 tds.  Next years cap hit 14.6 million.   Anyone want to compare where he stands in TE production vs where he stands in TE pay?   Yet another example where Beane crapped the bed with a signing.  I would trade him for a pick and get that base at least off the books and use that on Cook.

He has a dead cap hit of almost 17mil for 2025.  Still want to cut him?

[Rocbillsfan1]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I know a lot of fans took Peter's side because the Bills were a trainwreck franchise. But I still think Peters was an a--hole.

Well you are 100% wrong lol

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I know a lot of fans took Peter's side because the Bills were a trainwreck franchise. But I still think Peters was an a--hole.

 

I forget his agent's name, but that guy was a notorious a-hole and HATED the Bill FO. I put a lot of that on him.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said:

I don’t have an opinion on Brown. All I know is his antics and tactics to me at least are tacky. Not professional. And it will be a distraction for this team.

 

 

Convienent. Well to refresh your memory, Brown said that “passing” needed to improve 2 months ago (in the middle of a long winning streak). Later that week, veteran Brandon Graham talked publicly about the strained relationship between the QB and the star WR. It was the Diggs situation all over and in the media. Now THAT is a distraction to the team, not a guy asking for more money. The Eagles didn’t send a message (to anyone but the Chiefs). They got over it, moved on, and had a parade yesterday. 

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Peters was a converted TE and they didn't wanna give him LT money.

and can catch...reliably

That and long speed as taking it to the house was my favorite part of watching him compared to previous RB's since Shady.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Oh I agree with the concept that you ABSOLUTELY want more efficiency per play over bulk mediocrity.   I absolutely don't want a Najee Harris eating up touches inefficiently.  

 

That's why you split up the job between 3 non-"bell cow" types like Cook, Davis and Johnson.

 

For all Ty Johnson does, including playing ST's and pass blocking efficiently, if Cook is worth $15M on 485 snaps then how is Johnson only worth $2.5M on 429 snaps(over 300 on offense)?   Both are remarkably efficient at what they do........but Johnson a bit more, fwiw.   It can't be both ways........Cook can't be worth 6x more using your rationale.

 

All fair and the argument would be that Cook has just over 4x the touches with good efficiency. I suspect Cook ends up at $12.5M and Johnson at $2.5M-$3M. 

[YoloinOhio]

I could see drafting a RB this year relatively high kind of like lions did with Gibbs, even if they want to try to extend Cook. I like both Ohio state RBs, fast and can block and catch and both have a lot of experience but not too much tread on the tires bc of sharing the load for their careers.

Edited February 15 by YoloinOhio

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I could see drafting a RB this year relatively high kind of like lions did with Gibbs, even if they want to try to extend Cook. I like both Ohio state RBs, fast and can block and catch and both have a lot of experience but not too much tread on the tires bc of sharing the load for their careers.

Round 4 or 5?  Sure.  Anything earlier than that…no thanks.  

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I know a lot of fans took Peter's side because the Bills were a trainwreck franchise. But I still think Peters was an a--hole.

 

usually rough situations take both sides pushing the limits of common courtesy 

[FireChans]

42 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I forget his agent's name, but that guy was a notorious a-hole and HATED the Bill FO. I put a lot of that on him.

 

Eugene Parker right?

 

he died and the Bills started getting FAs again.

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

All fair and the argument would be that Cook has just over 4x the touches with good efficiency. I suspect Cook ends up at $12.5M and Johnson at $2.5M-$3M. 

 

 If all that it is about is touches you can try to squeeze those numbers in and pretend they equate.    

 

But someone has to pick up those blitzes on obvious passing downs that Cook cannot........and it has to be an equally dynamic option when he gets the ball OTHERWISE Cook's lack of ability in that regard becomes liability in his ledger.

 

That's why their snap counts are so much closer than people realize and why Cook is not nearly as valuable as his efficiency on early downs may suggest.   That's where a GM has to be smart and not pay a 2 down player 3 down money.    

 

When you factor in the gravity/importance of of 3rd downs with their overall 40/60 snap share of 800 snaps......... then why wouldn't Ty Johnson be worth AT LEAST half of what Cook is?

 

I think Cook with his current $5.5M hit and Johnson at a projected $2.5M represent a fair distribution.   Cook would get much more on the open market.......which he's not entitled too yet.......simply because he's proven he can handle bulk use.  

 

But when you start comparing his bulk use to that of players like Saquon making $12M the value isn't even close.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 If all that it is about is touches you can try to squeeze those numbers in and pretend they equate.    

 

But someone has to pick up those blitzes on obvious passing downs that Cook cannot........and it has to be an equally dynamic option when he gets the ball OTHERWISE Cook's lack of ability in that regard becomes liability in his ledger.

 

That's why their snap counts are so much closer than people realize and why Cook is not nearly as valuable as his efficiency on early downs may suggest.   That's where a GM has to be smart and not pay a 2 down player 3 down money.    

 

When you factor in the gravity/importance of of 3rd downs with their overall 40/60 snap share of 800 snaps......... then why wouldn't Ty Johnson be worth AT LEAST half of what Cook is?

 

I think Cook with his current $5.5M hit and Johnson at a projected $2.5M represent a fair distribution.   Cook would get much more on the open market.......which he's not entitled too yet.......simply because he's proven he can handle bulk use.  

 

But when you start comparing his bulk use to that of players like Saquon making $12M the value isn't even close.

 

RB values will increase after the years of Saquon & Henry. Mixon signed for $10M last year, has more miles and is a 2 down guy. Cook outperformed him all year. If Cook went into FA today, what do you believe he would get? As you said, that $5.5M number isn’t in the ball park. It would be twice that without question. He may not get to $15M but there’s zero chance that he’s less than $10M. Now he’s in position to get market value. He’s proven to be a very valuable member of this offense. 

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I could see drafting a RB this year relatively high kind of like lions did with Gibbs, even if they want to try to extend Cook. I like both Ohio state RBs, fast and can block and catch and both have a lot of experience but not too much tread on the tires bc of sharing the load for their careers.

 

 

As much as I hate to see it.......I can see it.    And in fairness, Beane's day 2 RB picks haven't been among his worst day 2 picks.   Treveyon Henderson would be a particularly fun player and significantly more talented(and a true 3 down back) than Cook.

 

Beane's work in round 2 is on par with what has been 60 years of bad drafting in round 2 for the Bills.   Likely having 2 of them again this year.......it might be time to trade them.    He can't seem to handle the psychology of round 2.   He just picks too needy, IMO.  

 

But if you are going to be needy RB's are pretty easy projections and tend to provide better value than RB's picked between pick 11-32.  So at least there is that.   

[vanhalen26]

20 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Neither team would consider moving talented skill player to hated division rival ..

Yea, that’s like swapping picks with your playoff rival.  We’d never do that.

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

RB values will increase after the years of Saquon & Henry. Mixon signed for $10M last year, has more miles and is a 2 down guy. Cook outperformed him all year. If Cook went into FA today, what do you believe he would get? As you said, that $5.5M number isn’t in the ball park. It would be twice that without question. He may not get to $15M but there’s zero chance that he’s less than $10M. Now he’s in position to get market value. He’s proven to be a very valuable member of this offense. 

 

 

C'mon now, Mixon was not just a 2 down guy and he didn't get $10M aav.   He was coming off 110 grabs the prior 2 seasons when he signed that deal.  

 

If Cook would take that same 3 year extension at $25.5M then I think Beane would probably be all over that whether the contractually obligated Cook has the leverage to pull it off or whether anyone likes it or not.

 

As for Mixon outperforming Cook, that is largely irrelevant because the deal was for what he had been doing.   Which was putting up 300+ touch seasons and bringing a physical element to the game on any down.