Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ghostwriter said: He can convert a 3rd & 1 or a 4th and short. I don’t understand all this hate. James Cook was a physical force all year. He had no problems whatsoever getting the tough yards. That's not what makes or not makes a third down back lol I played running back in college.. I will tell you the biggest transition from college to the pros is pass protection That's what makes a three down running back a three down running back.. if you cant protect your quarterback you will not be on the field the majority of third Downs where you need to block and protect the quarterback People think a third down back equates to Darren sproles or Alvin kamara out of the backfield.. but that's a rare small percentage of a receiving back.. I won't even call it a three down back A three down back has to be able to block and protect the quarterback on the third and nine.. when the routes need to develop and they're bringing six and he needs to smoke a blitzing linebacker in the mouth That's not a part of James Cook's game and it probably never will be Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 4 Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 I love Cook. Not at 15m. 10 with a lot of incentives get it done? Quote
Einstein's Dog Posted February 13 Posted February 13 42 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: It's not exactly discussing, it's a comment on a thread in somewhat obtuse language. He didn't hold a press conference with the media or make a demand through is agent, or spout off in an interview like Tyreek Hill. Regardless, pay him. 2nd best player on the team after Josh (well and probably Dion too). True, no press conference or demand through an agent. But more than most other Bills players. Kind of like the early Diggs tweets. Has to make Beane a little nervous. Beane did safeguard against this possibility some with the drafting of Davis last year - kudos to him. If Cook can be a factor in getting Garrett or Crosby, you do it. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said: True, no press conference or demand through an agent. But more than most other Bills players. Kind of like the early Diggs tweets. Has to make Beane a little nervous. Beane did safeguard against this possibility some with the drafting of Davis last year - kudos to him. If Cook can be a factor in getting Garrett or Crosby, you do it. Yep lol there's literally so much running back talent.. is he a great pure runner, absolutely Can we get by with Ray Davis ty Johnson and a rookie or free agent? Yes.. ray Davis has a good career ahead of him Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 2 Quote
Steptide Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Looks like bro legit wants 15 mil, but man that's way too much for a rb 1 1 Quote
ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: That's not what makes or not makes a third down back lol I played running back in college.. I will tell you the biggest transition from college to the pros is pass protection That's what makes a three down running back a three down running back.. if you cant protect your quarterback you will not be on the field the majority of third Downs where you need to block and protect the quarterback People think a third down back equates to Darren sproles or Alvin kamara out of the backfield.. but that's a rare small percentage of a receiving back.. I won't even call it a three down back A three down back has to be able to block and protect the quarterback on the third and nine.. when the routes need to develop and they're bringing six and he needs to smoke a blitzing linebacker in the mouth That's not a part of James Cook's game and it probably never will be If we let him walk, how would you replace his TD production? 18 TDs is a lot to replace. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 His brother yapping at him was a bad influence 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ghostwriter said: If we let him walk, how would you replace his TD production? 18 TDs is a lot to replace. That's why the NFL is tricky... He wouldn't be the first running back or the last one to have a breakout year towards contract time and never duplicate it Do I think he's a very talented runner good years ahead of him .. yes In a sport with a salary cap it makes you think things through... Like just taking Ray Davis in the third round last year Who has shown the ability to run with some power, some explosiveness, a willing to block and catch If James Cook doesn't want to take a deal that doesn't bury the Bills salary cap... Ray Davis is sitting in the wings waiting to take 200 carries Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 1 1 Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Yep lol there's literally so much running back talent.. is he a great pure runner, absolutely Can we get by with Ray Davis ty Johnson and a rookie or free agent? Yes.. ray Davis has a good career ahead of him Not sure what pure means, he's a great runner, elite. 21 TDS, how many running backs do that? With one year left on his rookie deal, a well constructed contract probably won't have a high cap hit for a few years. I'm confident we'll sign him to a good contract, he's too good to let go. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 21 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: I love Cook. Not at 15m. 10 with a lot of incentives get it done? Unless I am ignorant, there are ways you can give him 15 mil in actual cash per year while adding Void years to lower the cap hits. The Eagles have 290 million worth of void years. The Bills have something like 33 million…. so we can really “go for it” if Pegula is willing Quote
klos63 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: That's why the NFL is tricky... He wouldn't be the first running back or the last one to have a breakout year towards contract time and never duplicate it Do I think he's a very talented runner good years ahead of him .. yes In a sport with a salary cap it makes you think things through... Like just taking Ray Davis in the third round last year Who has shown the ability to run with some power, some explosiveness, a willing to block and catch If James Cook doesn't want to take a deal that doesn't bury the Bills salary cap... Ray Davis is sitting in the wings waiting to take 200 carries Do you think Davis will give us 21 TDs? If Brady stays away from having an elite passing game, we'll need dynamic running backs. Cook isn't easily replaced. 1 Quote
bouds Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) Honestly, I see no way that we resign him unless its below market value, and I mean really below. They'll draft someone, this is actually a really good running back draft. If you're not going to resign him, shop him now, lock in the pick, and pick a guy up. Edited February 13 by bouds Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) I really do not want to trade him he’s borderline elite at this point. If he was given the ball 25 times instead of 13 in the AFC Champ game, we win 100% He was the best player on the field I assume Beane would ask for a 1st and not be offered one Edited February 13 by Warriorspikes51 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, klos63 said: Not sure what pure means, he's a great runner, elite. 21 TDS, how many running backs do that? With one year left on his rookie deal, a well constructed contract probably won't have a high cap hit for a few years. I'm confident we'll sign him to a good contract, he's too good to let go. A pure runner is somebody who sounds exactly like it says.. doesn't make running look difficult... There's a good amount of running backs in the league who look like they plod for 4-5 yards Indecisive, choppy steps, not trusting their instincts , their change of direction isn't top notch A pure runner or a natural runner is exactly what it sounds like.. he glides, it looks effortless, even going fast it looks smooth... Some people are just born to run away from other people But that doesn't mean you can break the bank on a guy who plays with the lightest boxes in the NFL statistically and comes off the field on a lot of third Downs.. there's a correct deal for him but it's not 15 million a year 10 minutes ago, klos63 said: Do you think Davis will give us 21 TDs? If Brady stays away from having an elite passing game, we'll need dynamic running backs. Cook isn't easily replaced. I think James Cook gets a lot of touchdowns because teams run light boxes even inside the 15.. and he has the juice to get it to the end zone He's not a all pro type running back unless he dedicates himself to getting stronger and being able to protect Josh Allen because he's going to lose 40% of the snaps... Can't pay a guy 15 million year when he's only on the field 60% He needs to improve and get that number up to 70 some.. or he's just one of the best two down runners... Which with a salary cap you can't pay 15 million If this was baseball sure give him anything.. but we can get three good players for that salary Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 3 Quote
BillMafia716ix Posted February 13 Posted February 13 The Bills aren’t paying James Cook 15M. I like Ray Davis a lot so if he were to holdout, I don’t think it will be that big of a drop off. He don’t even play 50% of snaps. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, BillMafia716ix said: The Bills aren’t paying James Cook 15M. I like Ray Davis a lot so if he were to holdout, I don’t think it will be that big of a drop off. He don’t even play 50% of snaps. 61% but the point stands That's not enough to pay him that much at the running back spot he needs to take a better deal Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) I don’t think anyone will pay him 15m 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: 61% but the point stands That's not enough to pay him that much at the running back spot he needs to take a better deal Cook played 48% of the offensive snaps last year, to compare, Alvin K of the Saints hasn’t played under 62% of the offensive snaps since his rookie season in 2017 and has multiple seasons of 70+% Edited February 13 by TheyCallMeAndy Quote
ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Just now, Buffalo716 said: That's why the NFL is tricky... He wouldn't be the first running back or the last one to have a breakout year towards contract time and never duplicate it Do I think he's a very talented runner good years ahead of him .. yes In a sport with a salary cap it makes you think things through... Like just taking Ray Davis in the third round last year Who has shown her ability to run with some power, some explosiveness, a willing to block and catch If James Cook doesn't want to take a deal that doesn't bury the Bills salary cap... Ray Davis is sitting in the wings waiting to take 200 carries You can’t just replace 18 TDs with jags.. He’s worth more than Von Miller, he’s worth more than Dawson Knox, he’s worth more than Matt Milano, he’s worth more than Daquan Jones, he’s worth more than Curtis Samuel.. Don’t get too philosophical when it comes to team building. I understand that it would be ideal to pay a top 10 WR or an elite DE but you got to build off of the core players you have. James Cook is a top 10 back. He’s a known commodity, pay the man. I've went over reason after reason as to why we should sign him. Cut the dead weight from this roster and it’ll be more than enough to sign him. He wants $15M/year, meaning we can probably lock him down for $12.5M/year or thereabouts. Everybody starts with their highest number while negotiating. I think with a little bit of creativity, Beane can sign, Cook, Shakir, Rousseau and Bernard.. no problem. Christian Benford on the other hand has been fantastic but I’m not sure if we should pay him $20M/year, especially in McD’s system. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ghostwriter said: You can’t just replace 18 TDs with jags.. He’s worth more than Von Miller, he’s worth more than Dawson Knox, he’s worth more than Matt Milano, he’s worth more than Daquan Jones, he’s worth more than Curtis Samuel.. Don’t get too philosophical when it comes to team building. I understand that it would be ideal to pay a top 10 WR or an elite DE but you got to build off of the core players you have. James Cook is a top 10 back. He’s a known commodity, pay the man. I've went over reason after reason as to why we should sign him. Cut the dead weight from this roster and it’ll be more than enough to sign him. He wants $15M/year, meaning we can probably lock him down for $12.5M/year or thereabouts. Everybody starts with their highest number while negotiating. I think with a little bit of creativity, Beane can sign, Cook, Shakir, Rousseau and Bernard.. no problem. Christian Benford on the other hand has been fantastic but I’m not sure if we should pay him $20M/year, especially in McD’s system. The touchdowns is partially due to the light boxes that he faces.. the lightest in the NFL James Cook, half this board thought he was a Jag when we drafted him lol called it a reach Ray Davis and ty Johnson.. and whoever we would choose to be our third guy could probably replicate 18 rushing touchdowns together... Doesn't just have to be one guy James Cook is a really good running back with limitations.. to act like he's saquon Barkley or Adrian Peterson or Eric Dickerson would be a lie He's not that type of guy.. he's really good in our scheme and benefits from lighter boxes because Josh Allen Even Joe Mixon is more physical especially late in the season when the holes get smaller the weather gets colder and the hits hurt more.. like that's the most I'd be willing to give him Joe Mixon deal Mixon is a better three down back.. but cook is a better runner.. that equals out Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted February 13 Posted February 13 We have had such a bla roster for so long the idea of a budding star acting a certain way gets people’s panties in a bunch. I don’t think he’s worth 15 but they will figure it out. In the mean time if god forbid this escalates, which 90% of the franchises have seen the last few years, so be it. Maybe we need more players who think they should make more. It means Beane is doing his job. Quote
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