aristocrat Posted February 12 Posted February 12 23 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Let me get this straight. Dawson Knox signs a 4 year 52 million dollar contract in 2022 and cheap a55 Bills fans don't want pay our 2nd best player 15M a year ? Is this what we are saying ? One of the worst deals in the league 2 Quote
first_and_ten Posted February 12 Posted February 12 19 hours ago, ghostwriter said: He’s worth it. He should be a priority. He’s worth every penny. If Allen is having a bad game Cook can carry the team. If Allen is having a bad game, the Bills lose. Cook is not carrying the Bills, lol 32 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Let me get this straight. Dawson Knox signs a 4 year 52 million dollar contract in 2022 and cheap a55 Bills fans don't want pay our 2nd best player 15M a year ? Is this what we are saying ? I believe they reworked that deal, in essence, he took a pay cut 1 Quote
Mister Defense Posted February 12 Posted February 12 6 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: These "sentient leaders" at One Bills Drive have never paid big money to an RB. And now people want the FO to pay Cook nearly double what D Henry is getting? And I agree, G Davis is not a good comparable to Cook. G Davis played out his contract with no problem, J Cook is showing signs of being a malcontent right now. The FO would be wise to send him packing before he becomes an even bigger problem. Plus J Cook has more value in a trade than G Davis had. The priority add for the FO this year is an elite DL player. And J Cook has just put himself front and center to be a part of swinging for that piece. I cannot disagree more with the comment, now in bold, above. It would not be wise, but on the contrary, would be a huuuge mistake, and one based exclusively on significant ignorance and stupidity. Get rid of one of the top players on the team, a man just starting to come into his own, and, to this point, very underutilized? Would be so unwise, it would go down in the team history, like the Lynch trade, as one of the biggest mistakes the Bills have ever made. Amazing how many in this thread are just casually saying it is fine, a good thing for some, to just cut ties with what is likely the 2nd best player on our team. And one of the best all around running backs in the league. Quote
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 12 Author Posted February 12 (edited) 6 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah that’s technically true - but what has there been to work with? 2018 30-year old LeSean McCoy, Taiwan Jones, Chris Ivory 2019 Gore, Singletary, Yeldon 2020 Singletary, Moss, Jones 2021 Singletary, Moss, Jones, Breida 2022 Singletary, Cook, Hines 2023 Cook, Harris, Johnson, Murray, Fournette 2024 Cook, Johnson, Davis I think it’s clear Cook is the best RB the Beane Bills have had. You’re right though - up until now the model has not been extend the running back - only one logical before Cook would have been Singletary. Moss stunk right away. This is where I reach a breaking point when it comes to the RB conversation. Everyone likes to say "RB's are a dime a dozen". RB's like James Cook are NOT a dime a dozen. We've spent the entire Beane regime signing RB's, trading for RB's, and Drafting RB's with Day 2 picks. And no one we've brought in has come close to what James Cook brings to the table. We would not have gotten to the point we did with other RB's. He has a combination of speed, vision, elusiveness, and difficulty to take down that you are going to be very hard pressed replacing by just Drafting another RB. All that said though, 15m is too much to ask. Edited February 12 by BillsFanForever19 2 1 Quote
Mister Defense Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, DCofNC said: That’s just kicking the can down the road. He’s good, but barely got 1k and the other guys here already look good too. Make him play it out this year and let him walk. You are unrealistic with that trade value. Wow, you think that poster is unrealistic!!? He got that many yards only because the Bills did not use him the way other teams have used their top running backs. He was the 6th best back this season in ypc with 4.9. Cook became a (more) elite back this year, with amazing vision, speed and, with added size and strength, a back who consistently broke tackles. And he scored over 20 touchdowns. "Let him walk"!!! Come on, it is a flat out preposterous thing to say about the 2nd best player on the team. If the Bills' leadership ever shows this kind of supreme ignorance, like a previous leadership group did with Lynch, it would make me lose hope for the future, this team's potential. Edited February 13 by Mister Defense 2 Quote
Mister Defense Posted February 13 Posted February 13 6 hours ago, Maine-iac said: I mean if he asks for 15 and signs for 10 to 12 probably everyone is happy. You should go back and read the many super ignorant posts in this thread (and in other similar rb threads). It seems clear that a bunch of people would not want that either, would think that is overpaying for our 2nd best player, 25 year old back, who scored over 20 touchdowns this year. 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Let me get this straight. Dawson Knox signs a 4 year 52 million dollar contract in 2022 and cheap a55 Bills fans don't want pay our 2nd best player 15M a year ? Is this what we are saying ? So if the Bills already have one bad deal on the books they should give out another bad deal? Sound logic. Quote
3rdand12 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 20 hours ago, PauleeeWalnuts said: No one is giving him that kind of money, nor should they Gotta start to bidding somewhere lol Might as well set the bar exceedingly high. And seems he is.... high lol Love the player but 1 Quote
3rdand12 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Ga boy said: From draft day, there’s been no bigger Cook cheerleader than me, but 15 is too much. The very top would be 12 with incentives. If we write checks for a difference makers DE and WR, then trade him the day after for a draft pick, unless we tag him. For real now , I think he is just talking and was hoping to set the bar high. Maybe his agent put it in his head. My only concern is if he becomes a business decision type of player if he doesn't get a contract to his liking this year. I feel he might be that type of dude. Hope not , he has been a good fit in Brady's game plan 3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Wow, I think that would definitely get it done! I was thinking 2nd and a player. Garrett. Browns aren't that bright with deal making Quote
boyst Posted February 13 Posted February 13 30 other backs could do what he did on this offense. Davis had a 99 yard game against the Jets defense, Johnson had incredible games. This OL and Josh Allen give any RB a chance to shine. There are 2 or 3 great running backs in the league - Cook is not there. He's great but not what we need to pay for when we can get a hungry player for cheaper. Hell, even Joe Mixon who's the same level, only for $8.5mm. Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: I’m not on the “he drops too many passes” train. He just had a couple high profile drops in the playoffs of the 23-24 season. But I don't think he’s anything special as a receiver either. iMO there is absolutely no way I give him anything close to a $15M AAV contract. Early cap hits can always be managed, but that is no reason to overpay someone. Pay him appropriately and structure THAT amount to your benefit. Incidentally, $15M AAV would rank him second among RBs after McCaffery, who is an outlier at $19M. And only 5 RBs are currently above $10M. Here’s the top 10: 1 Christian McCaffrey SF, RB$19,000,000 2 Jonathan Taylor IND, RB$14,000,000 3 Saquon Barkley PHI, RB$12,583,333 4 Alvin Kamara NO, RB$12,250,000 5Josh Jacobs GB, RB$12,000,000 6James Conner ARI, RB$9,500,000 7 David Montgomery DET, RB$9,125,000 8 Rhamondre Stevenson NE, RB$9,000,000 9 Joe Mixon HOU, RB$8,500,000 10 Chuba Hubbard CAR, RB$8,300,000 I’d like the Bills to keep him, but sometimes things don’t work out. Let’s see how things play out. This draft class is loaded at RB and there will be talented backs into day 3. I hope the Bills use that to cover themselves. 9 bad contracts out of 10. And his brother Dalvin's game fell off dramatically after he got paid too. There are varying degrees of want-to that RB's seem to lose after they get paid. And that can be the difference between being great and being a league minimum journeyman. Guys like Saquon and Henry have legacy on their mind. They are thinking HoF as their motivation. Cook is most likely just looking to follow in his bro's steps and get that bag. Keep replacing them. It's a great RB draft, add another and prepare to move on. In fact, don't extend ANY of the 5 pending FA's early. Avoid the perception of favoritism and use those 10-11 pick drafts that they have the next couple of seasons to address replacing "good" players and try to find a couple "great" one's. Cook ain't great. He is a very nice 2 down RB with some sketchy off field concerns. 3 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13 Posted February 13 8 hours ago, alg said: Still, nearly 2 years difference is a big deal in players near 30. And Garret does turn 30 during the 2025 season. I'm sure you're right about the disparity in play. I simply do not want to mortgage 5 years future for 2 years play. My idea was to use Cook/Miller for Crosby with little to no picks. Maybe that's impractical. Maybe I have Cosby's value to high. IDK. But I sure as hell do not want to dance with another Von Miller pipe dream that blows up in our face - all because McBeane can't evaluate/draft DLs. PS: I was adamantly AGAINST the Von Miller signing. I knew it was a disaster then. Maybe it would have worked without the injury, but I'm not against a Garrett trade because of it. Cook is probably heading for a contract holdout(unless the Bills draft a RB early and put the pressure on him to show up and show out or just not get paid because the Bills wouldn't stand to lose anything with a Treveyon Henderson type stepping in at RB). And the Raiders already passed on paying their own higher producing RB Josh Jacobs in FA so they likely wouldn't value Cook as more than a day 3 pick in trade even if they wanted to pay him. Von Miller is untradeable. You'd have to throw in a day 2 pick just to get someone to pick up his contract. Like the Brock Osweiler to Cleveland trade Houston made to save money in exchange for picks years ago. So you are basically trying to trade less than nothing for Maxx Crosby when the asking price would be about the same as Myles Garrett........around the equivalent of 2 first round picks. Quote
ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, first_and_ten said: If Allen is having a bad game, the Bills lose. Cook is not carrying the Bills, lol Outside of Josh Allen, James Cook leads the Bills in TDs by a wide margin. James Cook 18 TDs total Ray Davis 6 TDs total Mack Hollins 5 TDs total Keon Coleman 4 TDs total Khalil Shakir 4 TDs total Ty Johnson 4 TDs total Dalton Kincaid 2 TDs total Amari Cooper 2 TDs total Tyrell Shavers 1 TD total Quentin Morris 1 TD total Curtis Samuel 1 TDs Dawson Knox 1 TDs ——- I would also like to add a few other points that I failed to touch on in my earlier posts: 1.) If Josh Allen gets injured and misses 2-4 games, Cook can carry the team and help us win a few of those games.. 2.) The NFL is moving back to running the ball. The Eagles and Ravens are two very good examples of that. 3.) If Josh Allen is struggling we can still pound the ball effectively. 4.) James Cook put up 18 TDs is highly impressive. He’s entering LaDanian Tomlinson, Priest Holmes type territory. 5.) Cook is not just a speed back he ran physically all year. He had no issue with lowering his pads getting tough yards.. Disclaimer: I am usually diametrically opposed to signing running backs as well but Cook is too good to let walk, he’s young too and this is only his second contract. 2 Quote
harmonkillebrew Posted February 13 Posted February 13 4 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: Actually, Bills fans can find fault with him. I don't recall any Bills players going out in public discussing their salary wishes. By doing this, and at an outrageously high level, it seems like J Cook is trying to go somewhere/anywhere where he can get paid. In a way, it's a pay me, trade me, or this could get messy threat. It's not exactly discussing, it's a comment on a thread in somewhat obtuse language. He didn't hold a press conference with the media or make a demand through is agent, or spout off in an interview like Tyreek Hill. Regardless, pay him. 2nd best player on the team after Josh (well and probably Dion too). Quote
SCBills Posted February 13 Posted February 13 5 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: It's not exactly discussing, it's a comment on a thread in somewhat obtuse language. He didn't hold a press conference with the media or make a demand through is agent, or spout off in an interview like Tyreek Hill. Regardless, pay him. 2nd best player on the team after Josh (well and probably Dion too). It’s not that simple. What brings us closer to getting over the hump? 15M for James Cook or putting that 15M towards Rousseau’s 20M contract or another piece on the DL to go with a Maxx Crosby? Cook is really good and can probably bring us back a Day 2 pick that could be used on a DT or WR.. two positions far more impactful than RB. We leaned on Cook at times because we had nothing outside. Keon went into witness protection after getting hurt, Hollins is what he is and Cooper we now know was playing at 60%. A massively upgraded Defense along with O-Weapons that knock teams out of 1 high Safety would be far more productive (imo) than sacrificing a DL piece or WR via Draft we could get back for him and, say, Jevon Holland with his money. It’s more about asset allocation than how good James Cook is or isn’t. 1 Quote
NeverOutNick Posted February 13 Posted February 13 21 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Frank Gore Jr. chimes in with "U deserve it". Jonathan Taylor makes 14m per and Saquon Barkley makes 12.5m per. 15 is a wild ask. I hope we aren't setting up for an offseason holdout. ✌️ 1 Quote
gobills404 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Let me get this straight. Dawson Knox signs a 4 year 52 million dollar contract in 2022 and cheap a55 Bills fans don't want pay our 2nd best player 15M a year ? Is this what we are saying ? “We already overpaid one player so we should overpay another one” is not the argument you think it is. 1 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 1 minute ago, gobills404 said: “We already overpaid one player so we should overpay another one” is not the argument you think it is. It's hard to hold out and command top dollar when you're not a three down back James Cook is really good at what he does.. he is not anywhere close to insert Hall of Fame level talent running back here.. he has holes in his game and is a terrific two down back You can't pay a two down back 15 million a year... To make him happy I'd give him three for 30 I'd give him 22 guaranteed... But that's about it Edited February 13 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
ghostwriter Posted February 13 Posted February 13 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: It's hard to hold out and command top dollar when you're not a three down back James Cook is really good at what he does.. he is not anywhere close to insert Hall of Fame level talent running back here.. he has holes in his game and is a terrific two down back You can't pay a two down back 15 million a year... To make him happy I'd give him three for 30 I'd give him 22 guaranteed... But that's about it He can convert a 3rd & 1 or a 4th and short. I don’t understand all this hate. James Cook was a physical force all year. He had no problems whatsoever getting the tough yards. 1 Quote
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