Einstein's Dog Posted February 12 Posted February 12 53 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: can't fault him for asking. that's how negotiations go. start high. what's his rookie deal cap hit? An extension might even bring it down.....? Actually, Bills fans can find fault with him. I don't recall any Bills players going out in public discussing their salary wishes. By doing this, and at an outrageously high level, it seems like J Cook is trying to go somewhere/anywhere where he can get paid. In a way, it's a pay me, trade me, or this could get messy threat. 2 2 Quote
Doc Brown Posted February 12 Posted February 12 4 hours ago, alg said: Still, nearly 2 years difference is a big deal in players near 30. And Garret does turn 30 during the 2025 season. I'm sure you're right about the disparity in play. I simply do not want to mortgage 5 years future for 2 years play. My idea was to use Cook/Miller for Crosby with little to no picks. Maybe that's impractical. Maybe I have Cosby's value to high. IDK. But I sure as hell do not want to dance with another Von Miller pipe dream that blows up in our face - all because McBeane can't evaluate/draft DLs. PS: I was adamantly AGAINST the Von Miller signing. I knew it was a disaster then. Maybe it would have worked without the injury, but I'm not against a Garrett trade because of it. Some of Bruce's best years were from that 29 to 33 age range and he had way more of an injury history compared to Garrett. Elite DE's seem to decline once they hit around 34 years old. Barring injury (I know that's a big if), there's nothing to suggest he doesn't have four elite years left in him. 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Cook a 1st and 4th for Maxx Crosby? Wow, I think that would definitely get it done! I was thinking 2nd and a player. 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I don’t like that Cook and his brother are already negotiating in the public space. The Bills can’t even negotiate an extension until the new league year starts in March. I think his value on an extension is $10M-$11M/season with guarantees of under 50% of the new 5 year deal. Then we can get out if he falls off. Cook has fantastic vision and is a smart, patient runner. As others have mentioned, he’s poor in pass pro and nothing special as a receiver. This season he averaged 2 catches for 8 yards each as a receiver. That’s not helping his value IMO. 1 Quote
KOKBILLS Posted February 12 Posted February 12 15 is a bit crazy for a RB IMHO... But I expect the Bills and Cook to work something out... If not though, Beane needs to unload him now when his market value may be at it's peak... It's going to take more from Beane than being a solid B GM to get this team over the hump... That means he's going to have to take some chances. This is one of the best RB Drafts in recent history. There will be good starting caliber RB's in the 3rd and 4th Rds this year...maybe later...So moving Cook now may be the best move long term for this team. I'd rather keep him. But he's a RB...So only on a home town deal... Quote
DCofNC Posted February 12 Posted February 12 15 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: We can give him $$$ to make him happy while keeping the cap hit much lower than 15 mil per. Void years… That’s just kicking the can down the road. He’s good, but barely got 1k and the other guys here already look good too. Make him play it out this year and let him walk. 8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Wow, I think that would definitely get it done! I was thinking 2nd and a player. You are unrealistic with that trade value. 1 Quote
BuffaloRebound Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Cook deserves a raise. Running backs have a short shelf life. Give him a 2 year $25m deal. It shows good faith and lets him potentially cash it again before he’s too old in running back terms. 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 hours ago, Magox said: This Ravens offense was better than any other they've ever had, I never had fear of stopping the Ravens offense than like this year. The Eagles offense was most certainly better than last year, that running game made teams try to load up and stop the run making their passing game more efficient, same with the Ravens. Houston fell apart this year in their passing game, it's a fact that Mixon carried that offense during the middle of the season. But that's not the best way of looking at it, look at the teams that those players left. The Raiders, - Josh Jacobs was their focal point in 2023 and they were 8-9, he leaves and then their running game disappears and they go 4-13 The Titans, - Derrick Henry had a down year but was still their focal point and they went 6-11 to going to 3-14 The Giants - Saquon was their entire offense and they went from 6-11 to 3-14 Cincinnati - is the only team that ended up with the same record. That's as clear as it gets, the loss of those running backs aside from Mixon were detrimental to those teams, all because their GM's wanted to be moron bean counters who operate in the old way of thinking. And for what? $2M difference a year of what they were willing to pay. That's a symptom of what was wrong with those GM's which is why they are either no longer there or they are on the hot seat. Henry, Jacobs, Barkley, and Taylor are a tier above Cook. Teams aren't going to sell out to try and stop Cook like they do for those backs. Mixon is pry a better comp as he has similar numbers are similar. He's at $8.5m a year. If Beane was to do an extension the maximum I'm hoping he'll spend is $10.5m per year for four years (including next year). 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 12 Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, DCofNC said: That’s just kicking the can down the road. He’s good, but barely got 1k and the other guys here already look good too. Make him play it out this year and let him walk. You are unrealistic with that trade value. Thanks man. Quote
RichRiderBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Probably just franchise him. It's only 12 million. Quote
RichRiderBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 15 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Cook deserves a raise. Running backs have a short shelf life. Give him a 2 year $25m deal. It shows good faith and lets him potentially cash it again before he’s too old in running back terms. I'd give him 2 / 25 added on his 5 million 2025. Gets a sign bonus and some guaranteed bucks. 1 Quote
klos63 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 It might be 15mm AAV, but cap hits the first couple years can be modest, add that with yearly cap increases, might not be a bad deal. He's really good, I want to keep him. 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: I don’t like that Cook and his brother are already negotiating in the public space. The Bills can’t even negotiate an extension until the new league year starts in March. I think his value on an extension is $10M-$11M/season with guarantees of under 50% of the new 5 year deal. Then we can get out if he falls off. Cook has fantastic vision and is a smart, patient runner. As others have mentioned, he’s poor in pass pro and nothing special as a receiver. This season he averaged 2 catches for 8 yards each as a receiver. That’s not helping his value IMO. I think if they used him differently in the passing game, he'd be really good. He had some really nice receiving plays, just not enough of them. That's on Brady. Quote
ngbills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 He may be worth $15M. But if the Bills dont even using him on game winning drives half the time I dont see how they pay him that. Quote
hjnick Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Demands like this is why you keep a stable of RBs on the ready. RBs are a dime a dozen. 15mil/yr? Haha, no. Maybe 8-10... If not, trade hiim and use his pick to get another person for the defense or a WR!!! BYE! 1 1 Quote
Saint Doug Posted February 12 Posted February 12 This is fine. We get another year of cheap production. He can then make his $15M elsewhere and we can take the 3rd/4th comp pick. 1,009 yards in 17 games is not worth $15M. Davis will probably be ready to go by then, but we can spend a 3rd or 4th on another RB. Quote
BarleyNY Posted February 12 Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, klos63 said: It might be 15mm AAV, but cap hits the first couple years can be modest, add that with yearly cap increases, might not be a bad deal. He's really good, I want to keep him. I think if they used him differently in the passing game, he'd be really good. He had some really nice receiving plays, just not enough of them. That's on Brady. I’m not on the “he drops too many passes” train. He just had a couple high profile drops in the playoffs of the 23-24 season. But I don't think he’s anything special as a receiver either. iMO there is absolutely no way I give him anything close to a $15M AAV contract. Early cap hits can always be managed, but that is no reason to overpay someone. Pay him appropriately and structure THAT amount to your benefit. Incidentally, $15M AAV would rank him second among RBs after McCaffery, who is an outlier at $19M. And only 5 RBs are currently above $10M. Here’s the top 10: 1 Christian McCaffrey SF, RB$19,000,000 2 Jonathan Taylor IND, RB$14,000,000 3 Saquon Barkley PHI, RB$12,583,333 4 Alvin Kamara NO, RB$12,250,000 5Josh Jacobs GB, RB$12,000,000 6James Conner ARI, RB$9,500,000 7 David Montgomery DET, RB$9,125,000 8 Rhamondre Stevenson NE, RB$9,000,000 9 Joe Mixon HOU, RB$8,500,000 10 Chuba Hubbard CAR, RB$8,300,000 I’d like the Bills to keep him, but sometimes things don’t work out. Let’s see how things play out. This draft class is loaded at RB and there will be talented backs into day 3. I hope the Bills use that to cover themselves. 1 Quote
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Let me get this straight. Dawson Knox signs a 4 year 52 million dollar contract in 2022 and cheap a55 Bills fans don't want pay our 2nd best player 15M a year ? Is this what we are saying ? 1 Quote
BarleyNY Posted February 12 Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Let me get this straight. Dawson Knox signs a 4 year 52 million dollar contract in 2022 and cheap a55 Bills fans don't want pay our 2nd best player 15M a year ? Is this what we are saying ? I am saying that I understand that different positions have different pay scales due to things like supply and demand. Also Knox’s reworked deal is $9.8M AAV. 1 Quote
thewookie1 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I’d offer him 11.5 AAV with a nice bit of front loaded money and a couple void years at the end. 4 yrs 50mil 33mil guaranteed with 20mil up front. Effectively he’d get 20mil year 1, 13mil guaranteed year 2 and the remaining 17mil exists in the final 2 years. We give some nice incentives in year 2 and then renegotiate upon the following offseason Quote
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