S Jevon Holland FA Speculation

[Antonio]

17 hours ago, bills_fan said:

Nick Brinkerhoff of USA TODAY is predicting Holland to the Bills. 

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-free-agency-predictions-where-110737101.html

 

Interesting take.  I do believe we will create a fair amount of cap room and do some extensions.  But a difference maker in the secondary is needed.  Rapp was good (esp in the game @ NYJ) but Bishop looked lost.  And Hamlin plays safety too "safe" to ever make a difference.

 

I know we need DL help, but S could use help also.  And it never hurts to weaken the FIsh.

 

Thoughts?

 

Free agent DB would be great, seems like this years draft is deep in DL and EDGE so its a good idea to go DB in free agency.

 

BBB could be aggressive and try to pull a trade for Myles Garret or Maxx Crosby but even then I´ll try to get another young EDGE rusher and DL for sure with our first 2 picks. 
 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I think one of the reasons Bishop looked bad/like a rookie/not ready was because of the guys he would play with. Rapp and Hamlin

 

You have rapp who is Uber aggressive, too aggressive 

 

Then you have Hamlin who is Uber conservative, too conservative 

 

You're then asking a rookie not only how to figure out playing at the NFL level but with two very drastically different players and styles. That's not an easy ask 

 

Edited February 12 by Cheektowaga Chad

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I think one of the reasons Bishop looked bad/like a rookie/not ready was because of the guys he would play with. Rapp and Hamlin

 

You have rapp who is Uber aggressive, too aggressive 

 

Then you have Hamlin who is Uber conservative, too conservative 

 

You're then asking a rookie not only how to figure out playing at the NFL level but with two very drastically different players and styles. That's not an easy ask 

 

I am confident Bishop will turn heads next season after a full preseason/training camp.  He actually flashed against the run and unless we sign someone I see Rapp moving to FS and Bishop taking SS.  Hamlin would then be a quality back up.

 

 

[ngbills]

Would take him in a heartbeat. Would be our best S in a very long time. 

[MrEpsYtown]

17 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I am confident Bishop will turn heads next season after a full preseason/training camp.  He actually flashed against the run and unless we sign someone I see Rapp moving to FS and Bishop taking SS.  Hamlin would then be a quality back up.

 

 

 

I just don't want Hamlin here because I don't want there to be a temptation to play him. 

 

IMO, your backups should be young guys you are developing. No need to pay a guy like that anything more than a vet minimum type deal. 

 

Especially when you can get a vet like Kareem Jackson on the practice squad.  

[buffblue]

58 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Would take him in a heartbeat. Would be our best S in a very long time. 

Since 3 years ago when both Poyer and Hyde were still playing at a very high level??? And we gave up 42 to KC regardless.

 

Handing out 60 million to any safety, let alone Jevon Holland, would be an absolutely disastrous decision.

[turbo044]

12 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Since 3 years ago when both Poyer and Hyde were still playing at a very high level??? And we gave up 42 to KC regardless.

 

Handing out 60 million to any safety, let alone Jevon Holland, would be an absolutely disastrous decision.

Yep - I'd rather pay a ton for Higgins (CIN) and use #30 and the 2 seconds on 3 d players: (1) DL, (1) CB, (1) S

[Sojourner]

24 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Since 3 years ago when both Poyer and Hyde were still playing at a very high level??? And we gave up 42 to KC regardless.

 

Handing out 60 million to any safety, let alone Jevon Holland, would be an absolutely disastrous decision.

Id bet he gets money similar to Duggar or McKinney. 
 

4 years @ $60-65m isn’t terrible by any means of his first few years become his regular play. The kid is a talented player and would easily remedy a lot of issues we had in safety spot since the duo you referenced.
 

The problem then becomes the money you have going forward that is allocated in the secondary. You could almost guarantee a CB early in the draft if they acquire his services pre 04/24. 
 

That money is the only reason I’d rather them grab a guy like Bynum or Moehrig who probably get the $10-12m p/y and are still of quality. 
 

The other guy to keep an eye on is Hufanga. If the money is right ($10m or <) I wouldn’t mind them taking their chances on him, the only concern becomes his injury history. 

Edited February 12 by Sojourner

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Id bet he gets money similar to Duggar or McKinney. 
 

4 years @ $60-65m isn’t terrible by any means of his first few years become his regular play. The kid is a talented player and would easily remedy a lot of issues we had in safety spot since the duo you referenced.
 

The problem then becomes the money you have going forward that is allocated in the secondary. You could almost guarantee a CB early in the draft if they acquire his services pre 04/24. 
 

That money is the only reason I’d rather them grab a guy like Bynum or Moehrig who probably get the $10-12m p/y and are still of quality. 
 

The other guy to keep an eye on is Hufanga. If the money is right ($10m or <) I wouldn’t mind them taking their chances on him, the only concern becomes his injury history. 

Hufanga is on my short list of Safeties I'd pursue but not sure it's as big a need as DE/DT/outside CB. If I'm paying a UFAs I'd prefer to nab a 2nd CB and a D-lineman.   

[Aussie Joe]

3 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I think one of the reasons Bishop looked bad/like a rookie/not ready was because of the guys he would play with. Rapp and Hamlin

 

You have rapp who is Uber aggressive, too aggressive 

 

Then you have Hamlin who is Uber conservative, too conservative 

 

You're then asking a rookie not only how to figure out playing at the NFL level but with two very drastically different players and styles. That's not an easy ask 

 

He also had Hyde as his personal coach back half of the year 

[buffblue]

6 minutes ago, Sojourner said:

Id bet he gets money similar to Duggar or McKinney. 
 

4 years @ $60-65m isn’t terrible by any means of his first few years become his regular play. The kid is a talented player and would easily remedy a lot of issues we had in safety spot since the duo you referenced.
 

The problem then becomes the money you have going forward that is allocated in the secondary. You could almost guarantee a CB early in the draft if they acquire his services pre 04/24. 
 

That money is the only reason I’d rather them grab a guy like Bynum or Moehrig who probably get the $10-12m p/y and are still of quality. 
 

The other guy to keep an eye on is Hufanga. If the money is right ($10m or <) I wouldn’t mind them taking their chances on him, the only concern becomes his injury history. 

I just can't get on board with this possiblity, and I am more than a little surprised at the level of support it seems to have. Holland's play has declined since his rookie year and he is known to have nagging injury issues. Safety is not a position where it makes sense to have a premium investment, especially after using a 2nd rounder just last year. This isn't Ed Reed in his prime or some sort of outlier.

 

I am fine with a more affordable free agent option or mid round pick and let that person compete with Rapp and Bishop. Under no circumstances should Hamlin have a role, even as a backup. That experiment needs to end. He was, along with Elam, the worst player on the entire field in the AFC Championship game.

 

 

[tigerthelion]

I'd rather sign a free agent corner for the money Holland is likely looking for, if they are looking to improve the secondary.  

[nosejob]

23 minutes ago, tigerthelion said:

I'd rather sign a free agent corner for the money Holland is likely looking for, if they are looking to improve the secondary.  

What about that Cisco kid? Then maybe they can also get a CB?

[tigerthelion]

4 minutes ago, nosejob said:

What about that Cisco kid? Then maybe they can also get a CB?

I am not that familiar with him.  What does he expect to make?  Is he worth 9 or 10/year? I don't know enough about him to know the answer to that question.  Seems like money would be better spent at CB, based on my gut feeling, though.  I think a CB is more valuable to the defense overall. 

[Thrivefourfive]

If you get this safety, how does he help? I want good safeties too, but our problem was not being able to cover the short and medium stuff. We gave up some ridiculously open 30 yarders like Baltimore’s last TD where Jackson just stood there all day, but safety didn’t really cost us like our DLine or our CBs did, or when we were deported at LB over the course of the season. 
 

Safety might be the position we need the least on defense right now. That’s not saying much I know, but it’s sayin’ something. 

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I just don't want Hamlin here because I don't want there to be a temptation to play him. 

 

IMO, your backups should be young guys you are developing. No need to pay a guy like that anything more than a vet minimum type deal. 

 

Especially when you can get a vet like Kareem Jackson on the practice squad.  

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4 hours ago, tigerthelion said:

I'd rather sign a free agent corner for the money Holland is likely looking for, if they are looking to improve the secondary.  

Douglas is gone. They have to