build through the trenches

[OldTimer1960]

6 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

eagles gm has drafted either an olinemen or dlinemen in the first round of EVERY draft since he has been the gm.

worked out pretty well. eagles lines are elite.

YO beanie...stop being the alleged smartest guy in the room.

Clearly, he is an idiot as everyone knows only QBs and WRs matter in today's NFL - just an attempt to be funny.

 

It's good to see that defense and OL are being recognized as important.  What the Eagles' D did to KC was impressive.  

 

At this point, I would like the Bills to go CB, DT, DE in some order with their first 3 picks.  Fortunately, DT and DE appear fairly deep, but there seem to be only a few true difference-maker pass rushers at DE - but there should be a number of good run defenders who can get an occasional sack left at end of round 2.

 

 

[OldTimer1960]

5 hours ago, Pete said:

Beane has spent plenty of resources on DL-Rousseau, Oliver 1st round picks.  AJ 2nd round pick. $140 million Von.  High draft picks Boogie, Harrison.  FA signing Williams, Star, etc  Very little return on investment.

 

The problem is not that we ignore the DL.  The problem is missing again and again.

 

Ive always been a big Beane fan.  But his failures on DL, with our 1st round picks, and ignoring WR, my patience is wearing thin.

Basham was a clear miss - though I'm still not sure why he can't find a niche.  He should be at least a good run stopping Edge, but he apparently isn't any good if the Giants let him go, too.  Who is the Harrison you are referring to?  Is that Harrison Phillips?  If yes, he is not a bust at all.  While we'd all like more from AJ Epenesa, he is about average for what you find at the end of the 2nd round - he's respectable, but you wish he were better.

 

Finally, Von was a big risk and it WAS working well until he tore up his knee.  He is nowhere near the player he was even with the Bills before the knee injury.  Sucks, but hard to blame Beane for that except if you want to take the angle that they shouldn't have invested that kind of $ in a FA - that was their "go all-in" shot.

 

I know it's frustrating coming up just short in the playoffs, but don't forget what things were like for decades before McDermott and Beane arrived.  They are 37-13 the past 3 seasons - that's f*cking good even if they came up short of the SB.

4 hours ago, Pete said:

Not true.  In conductor of the WR train.  Grant would be an awesome 1st round pick.  DT is super deep in this draft.  I want DT with 2 of our first 3 picks.  I want S, Edge, CB too.  But we still need a #1 WR.  That’s all I’m asking. Don’t ignore WR for 5 years, then add Keon and think we are set.  Devote every draft pick, and FA $ on D, with the exception of adding one excellent WR.  

But I don't see a #1 WR in the draft - at least that will be available near the Bills' first pick.  I could see taking Mathew Golden, but no thanks on the others that high.

[sunshynman]

36 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

First thing that needs to be done if they want to build through the trenches is to end the rotation system they love to use. 

Or at least limit it. The top guys should be in the 80-90% play time range. 

[transient]

5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Do you excuse McDermott? I find it impossible to believe that Beane has autonomy, or even the deciding vote on who to draft and when. 

 

Many seem to forget that when the Bills traded the Mahomes pick to KC and drafted Tre White, Beane wasn't even with the team. It would even appear that McDermott brought him in. 

 

I suppose that Beane is easier to scapegoat.

I personally believe that Beane has more autonomy the further they get into the draft. In the early rounds, unfortunately, I always feel he's drafting for need with someone looking over his shoulder. IMO, that's how they ended up with Elam after McDuffie came off the board.

[Mat68]

I disagree with that assessment of Roseman.  He lets other GMs over think everything.  Traded up a few spots for Carter after he slid.  Signed Barkley to top rb market but in the scheme of contracts not that expensive.  Mitchell from a small school fell to him.  Desean white corner?  Fell to him.  Multiple years you scratch your head at how he got them.   

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Clearly, he is an idiot as everyone knows only QBs and WRs matter in today's NFL - just an attempt to be funny.

 

It's good to see that defense and OL are being recognized as important.  What the Eagles' D did to KC was impressive.  

 

At this point, I would like the Bills to go CB, DT, DE in some order with their first 3 picks.  Fortunately, DT and DE appear fairly deep, but there seem to be only a few true difference-maker pass rushers at DE - but there should be a number of good run defenders who can get an occasional sack left at end of round 2.

 

 

Ah. That makes sense. Sarcasm does not always come through in posts. 

[RyanC883]

5 hours ago, Magox said:

If the Bills don’t trade for Myles Garrett then they should look to draft two of these.

 

 

 

I think even if we get Garrett, we grab one in the 2nd or 3rd.  VERY deep DT draft.  And some of the "non starters" have elite run-stopping PFF grades can be had in 4th-6th round.  

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Right, and no other teams have made bad picks on a first and two seconds in the last seven years.

 

Um, except all of them, really. Everyone misses. Absolutely everyone. In large numbers. Whereas not all that many teams built mostly around draft picks have put together teams as good as the Bills.

 

Certainly Basham and Ford were just bad picks and it now looks like Elam will turn out that way as well. 

 

As Jokeman pointed out the Chiefs have as many awful picks as we do.

 

And if you're going to argue the book isn't written on those guys, well, Skyy Moore was picked in the same draft class as Elam. Elam's crap while Moore hasn't had the book written on him? 

 

If you're going to refuse to count Anuike-Uzomah, Suamataia, Wanya Morris or Skyy Moore ...... how about Breeland Speaks, Lucas Niang, Mecole Hardman (a 2nd rounder) or Edwards-Helaire?

 

Everybody screws up. Everybody.

 

Hardman and CEH were instrumental parts of the Chiefs winning a SB.🤷

[Buffalo716]

11 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

eagles gm has drafted either an olinemen or dlinemen in the first round of EVERY draft since he has been the gm.

worked out pretty well. eagles lines are elite.

YO beanie...stop being the alleged smartest guy in the room.

Definitely has not picked an offensive or defensive lineman first round of every draft lol

 

No first round offensive or defensive lineman last year 24 draft 

 

Not in the 21 draft 

 

Not in the 20 draft 

 

 

 

 

[Pete]

8 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

8 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

So the 4 names highlighted below very likely aren't going anywhere and good chance AJ is also back.  That leaves 4 or 5 roster spots open and you want 2 rookie DT's and a rookie at Edge.  That leaves only one to two spots left for any vet presence and you think having 3 rookies will improve things this coming season?

 

When people start posting about using multiple draft picks on the same position, you have to look at how the roster will end up looking.  You can do that with sixth or seventh rounders as good chance you can hide one of them on the PS, but anything above the 6th round would likely get grabbed up.  You need to have open spots that will improve the team.

 

Does the line need help, absolutely, but the idea of using multiple high picks on the same position is silly unless you're in the rebuild mode.  DL is a position that often takes time to get good.  It even took Bruce Smith a few years, great pass rusher from the start, but took a few seasons to get good against the run.  For these reasons with a team as close as the Bills are, I think they need more  high level vets on the DL than rookies.  On the other hand CB is a spot you can put a rookie on the field and they often will be fine.

 

Do you understand BPA?  I draft the drafts strength.  If we can get two DL starters in the first two rounds- do it!  Steve Tasker and Chris Brown were saying today that the Bills should consider drafting two DL in the first two rounds.  Steve even suggested drafting DT in the first, and then using both second round picks, and drafting the highest remaining DT.  Games are won at the line of scrimmage.

 

as far as returning DL, Oliver and Carter are in.  If we can improve  DaQuan and Phillips- do it!

Edited February 11 by Pete

[Matt_In_NH]

6 hours ago, uticaclub said:

We weren't in last place with Rex as our coach. They were an 8-8 & 7-9 team, then improved to 9-7. Statistically, there was little difference among the seasons of 2015, 2016, and 2017. The change in discipline, leadership & Andy Daltons heroism was enough to secure a wildcard spot, but that success has since run its course.

So before they had established themselves they were hiring by a non last place team?  What has run its course?  Go back to finheaven already.  Dolphins suck dude.

Edited February 11 by Matt_In_NH

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Do you understand BPA?  I draft the drafts strength.  If we can get two DL starters in the first two rounds- do it!  Steve Tasker and Chris Brown were saying today that the Bills should consider drafting two DL in the first two rounds.  Steve even suggested drafting DT in the first, and then using both second round picks, and drafting the highest remaining DT.  Games are won at the line of scrimmage.

 

as far as returning DL, Oliver and Carter are in.  If we can improve  DaQuan and Phillips- do it!

My draft wishlist consist of Kenneth Grant and Nick Emmanwori

Edited February 12 by Solomon Grundy

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

My draft wishlist is Kenneth Grant and Nick Emmanmori

Unfortunately, you'd need two first rounders. Don't think either makes it to #30.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Unfortunately, you'd need two first rounders. Don't think either makes it to #30.

I'm moving up in front of the Chargers for Grant. He looks like a disruptor. I'll settle for Xavier Watts

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'm moving up in front of the Chargers for Grant. He looks like a disruptor. I'll settle for Xavier Watts

Grant is my favorite. Watts is excellent, but I'd be a bit surprised if they went safety that early. 

[uticaclub]

39 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

So before they had established themselves they were hiring by a non last place team?  What has run its course?  Go back to finheaven already.  Dolphins suck dude.

The Dolphins' sucking is one reason our light defensive line and soft zone defense work well during the regular season but struggle in the playoffs. It's only been nine years, and people often bring up that Beane and McDermott took over a tire fire, when the team was close to being good. If you swap Tyrod with Josh that team would be in the same position this team is in.

I don't buy that Beane or McDermott team building or game day philosophies will change. Its been 9 years and the one constant is a terrible dline. I don't see that changing.

[ghostwriter]

I may be a minority here but I think that Buffalo should extend Greg Rousseau to a 3-4 year deal at $15M/yr or somewhere in that ballpark and draft a fat NT in the bottom of RD1..

 

I understand that fans say that he’s a good player and not a great one but when rebuilding our DL, it would make sense to cut the bottom feeders first.

 

Rousseau and Oliver is a really solid base to work with when fortifying our DL. 
 

Buffalo should look drafting a true NT, another DE and another WR in RDs 1-2. I don’t care what they do after that. If the want to sign a top safety in FA, that would be nice too.

 

[billsfan714]

Im going DE, DT and CB with the first 3 picks.  Most likely a S after that.   Would probably go WR with the 2nd 4th.

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, Pete said:

Beane has spent plenty of resources on DL-Rousseau, Oliver 1st round picks.  AJ 2nd round pick. $140 million Von.  High draft picks Boogie, Harrison.  FA signing Williams, Star, etc  Very little return on investment.

 

The problem is not that we ignore the DL.  The problem is missing again and again.

 

Ive always been a big Beane fan.  But his failures on DL, with our 1st round picks, and ignoring WR, my patience is wearing thin.

 

About half of all first round draft picks fail to play like first round draft picks ... ever.   

 

 

11 minutes ago, ghostwriter said:

I may be a minority here but I think that Buffalo should extend Greg Rousseau to a 3-4 year deal at $15M/yr or somewhere in that ballpark and draft a fat NT in the bottom of RD1..

 

I understand that fans say that he’s a good player and not a great one but when rebuilding our DL, it would make sense to cut the bottom feeders first.

 

Rousseau and Oliver is a really solid base to work with when fortifying our DL. 
 

Buffalo should look drafting a true NT, another DE and another WR in RDs 1-2. I don’t care what they do after that. If the want to sign a top safety in FA, that would be nice too.

 

 

I think that you are spot on.  If the Bills can land a premier veteran pass rusher, it's likely that Rousseau suddenly becomes better. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

Do you understand BPA?  I draft the drafts strength.  If we can get two DL starters in the first two rounds- do it!  Steve Tasker and Chris Brown were saying today that the Bills should consider drafting two DL in the first two rounds.  Steve even suggested drafting DT in the first, and then using both second round picks, and drafting the highest remaining DT.  Games are won at the line of scrimmage.

 

as far as returning DL, Oliver and Carter are in.  If we can improve  DaQuan and Phillips- do it!

 

Yeah I understand BPA, but do you understand roster numbers?  Do you actually think having 3 rookie D lineman will make the team better in 2025??  Sounds like Tasker doesn't understand it anymore than you do!  Make he got hit in the head one to many times.