Tre White's back-to-back injuries were the begining of the end for the once dominant Bills D

[BuffaloBillyG]

10 hours ago, stinky finger said:

 

Next year should be the year to decide this regimes fate. At some point they have to produce a winner with this QB.

 

tick, tock, tick, tock......

What a weird kind of ultimatum.

 

Are the Bills in contention every year? Yes. Are they in the playoffs every year? Every year sans one under McDermott. Are they profitable? Yes.

 

5 straight division championships. That's a winning team. 

 

Fans are absolutely delusional sometimes. The "Super Bowl or we are losers" mentality held by fans is not the reality of how an ownership approaches it. 

 

This year we had a first time play caller on defense. An OC that took over for his first full year putting his offense in. Traded our #1 WR. Our best boundary WR this year was MACK HOLLINS.  Gutted our defense, lost many players that had a leadership role...and still came within 3 points of beating the (at the time )2 time defending champions in their house in the AFCCG. 

 

This last year was a WIN considering many both here and in the media predicted a third place division finish and no playoffs. It's really ironic people are claiming he's "on the hot seat" coming off a year where he probably had his best season as a coach. 

 

I get it. Change is sometimes needed when you aren't number one. But change for change sake often leads to failure. Who are you replacing him with? And how does the team look once said coach comes in, hires 2 new coordinators, guts the roster a bit to get guys who fit his systems? 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

What a weird kind of ultimatum.

 

Are the Bills in contention every year? Yes. Are they in the playoffs every year? Every year sans one under McDermott. Are they profitable? Yes.

 

5 straight division championships. That's a winning team. 

 

Fans are absolutely delusional sometimes. The "Super Bowl or we are losers" mentality held by fans is not the reality of how an ownership approaches it. 

 

This year we had a first time play caller on defense. An OC that took over for his first full year putting his offense in. Traded our #1 WR. Our best boundary WR this year was MACK HOLLINS.  Gutted our defense, lost many players that had a leadership role...and still came within 3 points of beating the (at the time )2 time defending champions in their house in the AFCCG. 

 

This last year was a WIN considering many both here and in the media predicted a third place division finish and no playoffs. It's really ironic people are claiming he's "on the hot seat" coming off a year where he probably had his best season as a coach. 

 

I get it. Change is sometimes needed when you aren't number one. But change for change sake often leads to failure. Who are you replacing him with? And how does the team look once said coach comes in, hires 2 new coordinators, guts the roster a bit to get guys who fit his systems? 

How do you look at Dan Marino’s career

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

White, Hyde and Poyer in their prime were fun to watch.

I remember that when the opposing QB was throwing mid or deep in the middle I knew it was a pass defended, an interception or a contested catch.

Now I know the receiver is getting big yards without any problems.

[BuffaloBillyG]

52 minutes ago, FireChans said:

How do you look at Dan Marino’s career

Hall of Fame, one of the all time best. Extremely successful career. How successful? It's 30 years later and he's still talked about.

 

How do you look at Trent Dilfer's career?

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Hall of Fame, one of the all time best. Extremely successful career. How successful? It's 30 years later and he's still talked about.

 

How do you look at Trent Dilfer's career?

dilfer was okay, not great.
 

Okay let’s put it this way.

 

would you consider it a failure if the Bills never won a ring with Josh Allen?

 

I would, personally. Despite enjoying every single season far immensely more than I enjoyed the drought.

 

Thats all.

Edited February 12 by FireChans

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

dilfer was okay, not great.
 

Okay let’s put it this way.

 

would you consider it a failure if the Bills never won a ring with Josh Allen?

 

I would, personally. Despite enjoying every single season far immensely more than I enjoyed the drought.

 

Thats all.

No. No I would not.

 

I would consider but a missed opportunity for the city. But in the scope of sports it's possible to both not win a Championship and have a successful run.  Especially because of the level of talent currently at the top of the AFC that they are stacked up against year in and year out. 

 

The Bills going from 17 years outside the playoffs to 5 straight division championships and 2 AFCCG appearances May not be the level of success we desire to see the team achieve...but it is success nonetheless. Brushing off the accomplishments of the team during this run just because they didn't win it all is such a self sabotaging outlook IMO.

 

Everyone is free to feel different on this. I totally see the other side of the coin so to speak. But being thankful for a buck shot of other goals achieved is a good thing too.

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

No. No I would not.

 

I would consider but a missed opportunity for the city. But in the scope of sports it's possible to both not win a Championship and have a successful run.  Especially because of the level of talent currently at the top of the AFC that they are stacked up against year in and year out. 

 

The Bills going from 17 years outside the playoffs to 5 straight division championships and 2 AFCCG appearances May not be the level of success we desire to see the team achieve...but it is success nonetheless. Brushing off the accomplishments of the team during this run just because they didn't win it all is such a self sabotaging outlook IMO.

 

Everyone is free to feel different on this. I totally see the other side of the coin so to speak. But being thankful for a buck shot of other goals achieved is a good thing too.

Fair enough

 

I would consider never reaching the mountaintop with likely the most talented QB the team will ever have to be a catastrophe. So that paints the opinions.

 

And I consider Josh Allen to be 90% of architect of that success that we have already had.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

How do you look at Dan Marino’s career

Dan Marino in his prime years 25-28 missed the playoffs. Missed the playoffs 4/5 years between 25-30 years old. That was with Don Shula!!
 

I don’t think fans understand how crazy it is to want to fire McDermott for losing to the best teams and QBs in the league. It’s just ridiculous. He’s winning divisions and playoff games every season. 
 

The crazy thing is he’ll probably have real heat on him when he does have a 1 bad season. 

 

 

[FireChans]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Dan Marino in his prime years 25-28 missed the playoffs. Missed the playoffs 4/5 years between 25-30 years old. That was with Don Shula!!
 

I don’t think fans understand how crazy it is to want to fire McDermott for losing to the best teams and QBs in the league. It’s just ridiculous. He’s winning divisions and playoff games every season. 
 

The crazy thing is he’ll probably have real heat on him when he does have a 1 bad season. 

 

 

How many Dolphins fans are sick that Marino never won a ring

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

How many Dolphins fans are sick that Marino never won a ring

They had rings. It definitely was a topic throughout the 90s I remember. I think after his career was over they celebrated what he accomplished. 
 

But again, he missed the playoffs 4/5 years between 25-30 years old. People have to stop acting like Josh’s career is a failure so far.

[corta765]

I agree with the premise and I would add Von's knee in 2022 finished the job on what was a really good defense. Tre was the shutdown CB and basically locked the secondary to such a degree it made everything easier. Von was supposed to be the closer we have needed on the d-line.

 

BOTH right up to the injury were playing at a very very high level doing what was needed. Two pieces of bluechip talent that you just cannot replace with ease.

 

It gets more detailed and messy from there. I think since Von's injury in 2022 and the cascade of injuries the drop off in play has been substantial, but Tre's injury looms just as large given how it changed what the defense could do.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I have heard several people say that his skill set would not fit. Which I flat out don’t agree with.. the guy was not an issue in run support IMO and his mental game was outstanding. I’d love to bring him back for 1 year as a S. My favorite safeties are veteran corners transitioning out. They have seen a lot and they know what the guys infront of them are dealing with. I’d give it a shot. If it doesn’t work, no harm no foul. Cut him. I know people will jump in with the “his game doesn’t fit” I just flat out don’t agree. I’d be willing to guarantee he’s better than Hamlin. Sight unseen

[LABILLBACKER]

In a 2 year period we lost Tre, Von, Milano, Hyde & Poyer to either injuries or aging out. And later injuries still hit players like Benford,  Bernard, Rapp.  With the exception of Kincaid & Coleman,  our offense has stayed healthy. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

In a 2 year period we lost Tre, Von, Milano, Hyde & Poyer to either injuries or aging out. And later injuries still hit players like Benford,  Bernard, Rapp.  With the exception of Kincaid & Coleman,  our offense has stayed healthy. 

The Milano and White injuries came at times they were becoming the best player at their position. We talk about not having impact players on defense, that’s part of the reason.

 

 

[stinky finger]

13 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

What a weird kind of ultimatum.

 

Are the Bills in contention every year? Yes. Are they in the playoffs every year? Every year sans one under McDermott. Are they profitable? Yes.

 

5 straight division championships. That's a winning team. 

 

Fans are absolutely delusional sometimes. The "Super Bowl or we are losers" mentality held by fans is not the reality of how an ownership approaches it. 

 

This year we had a first time play caller on defense. An OC that took over for his first full year putting his offense in. Traded our #1 WR. Our best boundary WR this year was MACK HOLLINS.  Gutted our defense, lost many players that had a leadership role...and still came within 3 points of beating the (at the time )2 time defending champions in their house in the AFCCG. 

 

This last year was a WIN considering many both here and in the media predicted a third place division finish and no playoffs. It's really ironic people are claiming he's "on the hot seat" coming off a year where he probably had his best season as a coach. 

 

I get it. Change is sometimes needed when you aren't number one. But change for change sake often leads to failure. Who are you replacing him with? And how does the team look once said coach comes in, hires 2 new coordinators, guts the roster a bit to get guys who fit his systems? 

 

Christ -stop your preaching. I made my point. This regime gets one more year. Yeah, I know the potential ramifications. So what? I'm not getting any younger. Neither is our franchise QB. I've enjoyed these last many years. It's time to take it to the next level. I'm losing confidence in both GM and HC. 

 

Sadly, my dad passed never realizing a championship in Buffalo. I want to experience it once for myself and the city. 

[stinky finger]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They had rings. It definitely was a topic throughout the 90s I remember. I think after his career was over they celebrated what he accomplished. 
 

But again, he missed the playoffs 4/5 years between 25-30 years old. People have to stop acting like Josh’s career is a failure so far.

 

This is just silly

[uticaclub]

13 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

How do you look at Trent Dilfer's career?

Super Bowl Champion 

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The Milano and White injuries came at times they were becoming the best player at their position. We talk about not having impact players on defense, that’s part of the reason.

 

 

Neither were drafted by Beane

[Buffalo_Stampede]

53 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Super Bowl Champion 

Neither were drafted by Beane

Beane should probably do less interviews this offseason. Just saying.

[LABILLBACKER]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The Milano and White injuries came at times they were becoming the best player at their position. We talk about not having impact players on defense, that’s part of the reason.

 

 

Yup, both Tre & Matt's injury hit them at the peak of their careers. Add Von and that was the holy trinity of getting crushed defensively. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 hours ago, stinky finger said:

 

Christ -stop your preaching. I made my point. This regime gets one more year. Yeah, I know the potential ramifications. So what? I'm not getting any younger. Neither is our franchise QB. I've enjoyed these last many years. It's time to take it to the next level. I'm losing confidence in both GM and HC. 

 

Sadly, my dad passed never realizing a championship in Buffalo. I want to experience it once for myself and the city. 

Most of us have lost loved ones who never got to see the Bills win the big one. And none of us are getting younger.  Sorry for your loss tho.

 

And preaching? Imagine saying something on a public opinion board and someone having an opposing view and you feeling like it's "preaching". Maybe this place isn't for you. Try Pinterest?

 

And simply put the whole "this staff gets one more year" rhetoric fans have is absolutely hysterical. A year from now if they didn't win...what are you gonna do about it? I know this may be a tough pill to swallow....but unless you are indeed Terry Pegula's burner account your opinion (as well as anyone else's on this platform) on the longevity of the coaching staff employment is irrelevant.