Is Nick Siriani, the second best coach in the NFL currently.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Chaos said:

In four seasons he has made the playoffs four times. The NFC championship twice and the Super Bowl once.   Are you sure he is bad because this is not a good track record, more should be expected. Or not good per some “eye test”. OR something else?

I’m sure that he has had the most talented team in the NFL over the average of the last 3 seasons.

 

I’m sure that the midseason collapse of the 2023 Eagles is largely a referendum on coaching malfeasance. As evidenced by Sirianni being the only coach in football to not pick his OC and DC.

 

I’m sure that calling a naked Jalen Hurts bootleg while he was injured with 2 min left against the Rams in the postseason up 6 would have cost him his job had they lost that game and Stafford not luckily thrown a ball out of bounds on 4th down.

 

I’m sure that Sirianni was 100% on the hotseat entering 2024, despite making the playoffs 3 straight years, the NFCCG once and the Super Bowl once. 

 

You are welcome to take your pick of all of those reasons. You are also welcome to predict he will be their head coach 3 seasons from now. I mean, he has all this track record of success right? He should be safe for a couple years right? There’s no way the wheel fall off and there’s a new HC in Philly in 2027, right?

[Chaos]

Just now, FireChans said:

I’m sure that he has had the most talented team in the NFL over the average of the last 3 seasons.

 

I’m sure that the midseason collapse of the 2023 Eagles is largely a referendum on coaching malfeasance. As evidenced by Sirianni being the only coach in football to not pick his OC and DC.

 

I’m sure that calling a naked Jalen Hurts bootleg while he was injured with 2 min left against the Rams in the postseason up 6 would have cost him his job had they lost that game and Stafford not luckily thrown a ball out of bounds on 4th down.

 

I’m sure that Sirianni was 100% on the hotseat entering 2024, despite making the playoffs 3 straight years, the NFCCG once and the Super Bowl once. 

 

You are welcome to take your pick of all of those reasons. You are also welcome to predict he will be their head coach 3 seasons from now. I mean, he has all this track record of success right? He should be safe for a couple years right? There’s no way the wheel fall off and there’s a new HC in Philly in 2027, right?

If he keeps going to the NFC championship game I expect he will stay.  

[FireChans]

Just now, Chaos said:

If he keeps going to the NFC championship game I expect he will stay.  

So, like I said initially, what are the odds Sirianni is the HC of the Eagles 3 years from now?

 

His winning percentage and resume would assume he’s the second safest HC in the NFL second to Andy Reid, right?

 

Do you think he’s the second safest HC in the NFL to have a job 3 years from now?

 

If you don’t, he isn’t. 
 

Period.

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

Eagles fans wanted this guy fired last season.

This season 

[GunnerBill]

Absolutely not. But he does work for HANDS DOWN the best General Manager in football. 

 

The gap between Howie and #2 on that list is probably as big as the gap from #2 to #32. He is that far ahead.

[Buffalo Junction]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So, like I said initially, what are the odds Sirianni is the HC of the Eagles 3 years from now?

 

His winning percentage and resume would assume he’s the second safest HC in the NFL second to Andy Reid, right?

 

Do you think he’s the second safest HC in the NFL to have a job 3 years from now?

 

If you don’t, he isn’t. 
 

Period.

He’ll be there in three years if the team performs. Roseman knows he can probably hire the pick of the litter any time he wants to hire a new HC though, so he’ll probably “swap parts” after an early playoff loss if there’s a top 5-10 coach (Shanny, LaFleur, McDermott, etc) on the market. Outside of Reid, Roseman probably has the most job security of any non-owner in the league, and he’ll leverage that to stay on a HoF track. 

[FireChans]

Just now, Buffalo Junction said:

He’ll be there in three years if the team performs. Roseman knows he can probably hire the pick of the litter any time he wants to hire a new HC though, so he’ll probably “swap parts” after an early playoff loss if there’s a top 5-10 coach (Shanny, LaFleur, McDermott, etc) on the market. Outside of Reid, Roseman probably has the most job security of any non-owner in the league, and he’ll leverage that to stay on a HoF track. 

That “if” is doing heavy lifting.

 

also, the way the top-end HCs stay in business is keeping their jobs even if the team doesn’t perform.

 

Harbaugh survived 3 straight years not making the playoffs. Would Sirianni?

 

Tomlin survives being a first round exit every year. Would Sirianni?

 

Shanny survived missing the postseason this year after being an SB team last year. Would Sirianni?

 

The answers to all these questions are so obvious, it’s obvious why  @Chaos refuses to answer them. 
 

Spoilers: it’s because he knows the answer and is likely trolling with the “Sirianni is the second best HC in football” take.

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

He’ll be there in three years if the team performs. Roseman knows he can probably hire the pick of the litter any time he wants to hire a new HC though, so he’ll probably “swap parts” after an early playoff loss if there’s a top 5-10 coach (Shanny, LaFleur, McDermott, etc) on the market. Outside of Reid, Roseman probably has the most job security of any non-owner in the league, and he’ll leverage that to stay on a HoF track. 

 

Agree with that. Lurie disempowered Howie once when he hired the ego maniac from Oregon who wrecked the roster in 2 years. He will never make that mistake again.

[SirAndrew]

I don’t understand trying to discredit what this guy has done. Maybe he does coach the best roster in the league, but how many coaches fail each year with the best roster? There have been many. 

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

Eagles fans wanted this guy fired last season.

By that metric, McDermott is the best coach in the galaxy 

[strive_for_five_guy]

I, would say no?

[Jimmy Harris 69]

Siriani is by far the biggest butthole among coaches in the league. Gaping is that respect. Doug Pederson won a SB in Philly and then was out in two years. Let’s see where things are in two years.

Edited February 11 by Jimmy Harris 69

[buffblue]

No chance. The success of the Eagles is due to Howie Roseman. Sirriani is basically Barry Switzer circa 1995

Edited February 11 by buffblue

[billsfan89]

I would say McVey is better, McVey has a Super Bowl and has overachieved with his roster the past two seasons. John Harbaugh also has a Super Bowl (albeit a long time ago by NFL standards) and a lot longer of a success track record. I would also take Sean Peyton over Nick Siriani. Peyton in addition to his run with NOLA being great showed he could rebuild a team behind a rookie QB. 

 

So that would be 4 coaches (Reid in addition to those 3) I would take over Siriani. I would honestly say you could also argue Tomlin over Siriani. Tomlin hasn't had much playoff success recently but if you handed Tomlin the stacked Eagles rosters I would say that he would probably be able to consistently make deep playoff runs. 

 

I would also say that you could argue coaches who haven't won a Super Bowl who I would take over Siriani in McD, Jim Harbaugh, and Dan Campbell. 

 

TLDR: Reid, John Harbaugh, Peyton, and McVey are firmly better while you could argue Tomlin, McD, Jim Harbaugh, and Campbell are better. 

14 minutes ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said:

Siriani is by far the biggest butthole among coaches in the league. Gaping is that respect. Doug Pederson won a SB in Philly and then was out in two years. Let’s see where things are in two years.

 

Also possible to be a much harder NFC next season. In their own division the Commanders could rival them as they have a rookie QB coming off a great season and the Commanders will be able to add more pieces to have a more complete roster. And while I don't think the Cowboys are going to be contenders they could give them 2 tough games rebounding from Dak's injury. The Lions will not be an infirmary on defense and will pose a big threat. While the Rams who took the Eagles to the limit in the divisional round will be able to add some more pieces. I also think the Bucs and Packers are tough teams. There's also the possibility of a 49ers rebound. 

 

The NFL is so insanely hard to predict. The issue with the Eagles is that while Hurts is a good QB he needs an elite roster to win and like last year showed it's a bit hard to win if you have a positional group hit hard by injury or regressing unexpectedly. 

[Lost]

Eagles are just good at team building and talent evaluation.   Credit to Howie Roseman.   

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

I don’t understand trying to discredit what this guy has done. Maybe he does coach the best roster in the league, but how many coaches fail each year with the best roster? There have been many. 

People just like to hate on Sirianni cause he's a hot head .

 

But exactly- So many teams have squandered great talent.

 

2 Super Bowl appearances in 4 years with 1 win. (With a good, but not an elite QB)

 

I am not sure what people expect from him lol. He's good a great roster, but the dude produces

[Awwufelloff]

He’s from Jamestown too, wish we had him…

[Man with No Name]

30 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

He’s from Jamestown too, wish we had him…

He wouldn't be anything working with Beane. WHat he does works because he is with an organization that knows how to get great players, and he has excellent coordinators with full autonomy. 

 

We might be better if McDermott gave a high level d coordinator full autonomy to run his own defense...not a McD inspired soft defense. 

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

People just like to hate on Sirianni cause he's a hot head .

 

But exactly- So many teams have squandered great talent.

 

2 Super Bowl appearances in 4 years with 1 win. (With a good, but not an elite QB)

 

I am not sure what people expect from him lol. He's good a great roster, but the dude produces

 

It is a great roster and two great coordinators. All of which are Howie Roseman (who has total control of player personnel and made both coordinator hires over his HC's head last February). 

 

I am not saying Sirianni stinks. But honestly, I think he was one of the least consequential Head Coaches to a Superbowl winner in my 20 odd years watching the sport. This was a Howie Roseman Superbowl win. 

[Man with No Name]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is a great roster and two great coordinators. All of which are Howie Roseman (who has total control of player personnel and made both coordinator hires over his HC's head last February). 

 

I am not saying Sirianni stinks. But honestly, I think he was one of the least consequential Head Coaches to a Superbowl winner in my 20 odd years watching the sport. This was a Howie Roseman Superbowl win. 

Sirianni knows his place and he knows he has a good deal going. There's something to be said for Being smart enough to stay out of your own way.