How big was the absence of critical flags for the Chiefs last night?

[colin]

it was a less pro kc crew than I have seen all year, very much so more than when we visited them 2 weeks back.

 

one thing I have noticed, their OL has such a tight formation, the one RT lines up straight back (lol, how is that allowed), and I think it lets them get away with brief holds and hands to the face because it's a big messy melee and the refs don't always have a clear line of sight.  we, on the other hand, get flagged quite a bit for holding, but it's easy mode for the zebras because we have so much motion and movement on our line, not to mention wider gaps.

 

the other thing that really stood out to me is what looked like somewhat delays loops and games by the iggles dline.  they all had their initial rush lanes, but after contact they were quick to redirect.  i don't think this was just the individuals playing their own way, i really think it was coached and thought out.  our dl gets better pressure on games than straight up, but it leaves rush lanes for qbs and sometimes the game is too easy to read up front.

 

either way, the coverage difference, especially for that mid game stretch when we had elam just sticking it up and hamlin holding 87 off the line every time (it generally worked, but he got flagged a few times for it) and slow slow douglas trailing and bishop playing which man is mine was a shocking revelations.  

[The Red King]

6 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Honestly, if we are playing into the "Conspiracy"  theory... and its true.. I think the NFL could care less who won that game... they just wanted Tay Tay at the game for ratings... after that it didnt matter... plus the heat over the year I think they played it close... that is IF you believe in the conspiracy theory. Pretty sure I dont but there was some really questionable stuff that went on that I cant explain as random bad calls...  maybe there was an unconscious bias... But in the end the officiating would not have changed that game one way or the other it was a beat down... the Bills game... correct calls wouldnt have hurt... but in the end, we need to be better... too much blame to not look in the mirror... conspiracy or not... 

 

Thank you!  I said this prior to the game.  The NFL got what they wanted, and didn't care who won.  They got the Swifties.  They got the three-peat drama.  By calling a fair game, they got to push back against the refs+Chiefs narrative.

 

Loved watching it.  "What do you mean I can't line up in the neutral zone?", "What do you mean, I can't blatetly hold?", "What do you mean Mahomes can take a shot to the head and *not* get a flag?"

[Captain_Quint]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

They easily could’ve taken away Philly’s second half strip sack with a straight hand to the face of Mahomes.  Glad they let it go.

Saw this too. I couldn't believe it wasn't called. Not that I minded it, but that gets called in most games. 

[US Egg]

So apparently refs saved the penalties they should have called on the Chiefs against Bills to give to the Eagles.

Edited February 10 by US Egg

[Big Turk]

Sirianni seen adamantly talking with officials on the sidelines adamantly coming back from break after the bogus OPI call to kill the first drive and 4th down conversion...

 

 

Edited February 10 by Big Turk

[ChrisWatson#21]

They were getting called for holdings finally.  Usually the Chiefs O-Line gets away with a lot but not this time and got exposed by a very good front four.

[TBBills Fan]

1 hour ago, Philly McButterpants said:

Nah, the WWE has better refereeing than the NFL.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

They easily could’ve taken away Philly’s second half strip sack with a straight hand to the face of Mahomes.  Glad they let it go.

Would that call have reversed the strip sack? It came after Mahomes lost the ball by a different player than the guy who stripped the ball. Feels like that might have just pushed the 15 yards back. 

[Whkfc]

35 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

Thank you!  I said this prior to the game.  The NFL got what they wanted, and didn't care who won.  They got the Swifties.  They got the three-peat drama.  By calling a fair game, they got to push back against the refs+Chiefs narrative.

 

Loved watching it.  "What do you mean I can't line up in the neutral zone?", "What do you mean, I can't blatetly hold?", "What do you mean Mahomes can take a shot to the head and *not* get a flag?"

Couldn't agree with you more. We had that 1st down twice and momentumwas swinging our way we sgould have won that game. Joshs MVPity was a sort of make up call. Like we know we crewed you put of your superbowl have this instead. And it really suck there are only so many chances to win a superbowl and the nfl stole one from us cause they wanted to show some ugly pop star on TV 10-15 times.

[PromoTheRobot]

37 minutes ago, The Red King said:

Loved watching it.  "What do you mean I can't line up in the neutral zone?", "What do you mean, I can't blatetly hold?", "What do you mean Mahomes can take a shot to the head and *not* get a flag?"

 

Patty's "thousand-yard stare" was him realizing the refs weren't going to bail him out.

2 minutes ago, Whkfc said:

And it really suck there are only so many chances to win a superbowl and the nfl stole one from us cause they wanted to show some ugly pop star on TV 10-15 times.

 

I only recall seeing Taylor once. Probably because her boyfriend did squat last night.

[zow2]

10 minutes ago, Mango said:

Would that call have reversed the strip sack? It came after Mahomes lost the ball by a different player than the guy who stripped the ball. Feels like that might have just pushed the 15 yards back. 

 

I feel like "roughing the passer" on an interception or fumble is typically reversed and the team is awarded 15 yards and a first down.

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, transient said:

The refs could have resorted to the way they called the Texans-Chiefs game and kept throwing phantom personal fouls, roughing the passer, and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on the Eagles defense to slow their pass rush since the Chiefs themselves couldn't.

Not to mention the chilling effect of having defenders thinking twice before trying to make a sack/tackle.

 

If they’ve already drawn 2 roughing the passer penalties they are probably thinking and slowing down before making contact. Maybe just enough for slippery Mahomes to scoot out of the pocket.

 

18 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

I feel like "roughing the passer" on an interception or fumble is typically reversed and the team is awarded 15 yards and a first down.

I don’t think you can rough the passer when he’s no longer a passer. Ball was already on the turf when that guy made contact.

 

Probably best they could do was illegal hands to the face, 15 yard penalty from the recovery.

Edited February 10 by DapperCam

[Nuncha]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Shaky calls matter in nail biters. Not in blowouts.

 

if you don’t want the refs to affect the game, make it impossible for them to do so.

 

ass kicking takes the refs out of the game. It takes Jalen Hurts’ bad pick out of the game. 

Yep, in close games that 4th and inches needs to be picked up by a full yard or more rather than a half inch.

[T master]

After all of the negative posts on youtube and social media in general which i bet was brought to Rogers attention by some below him he had to say something to the refs maybe not a direct comment about Mahomes but some one had to tell them to be on top of their game .

 

Even though he may have had something when he said those refs weren't paid off he sure as hell had to see some of what every one else in the country saw as far as the bad calls . There was no way on the call that brought Jimbo's first down back 2 yards which was 1 yard behind the line for a first that he could argue anything . 

 

There are no 2 yard penalties that was just a blatant F up on the refs part and when Blandino, Romo, & Nance even said on the broadcast what they did about those calls it made them with all of their individual experience look like bozo's that didn't know what they were talking about .

 

You can bet the back lash was in full force ...

[CincyBillsFan]

I think the NFL got what it wanted last night:  they clearly showed that the conspiracy theory around their officiating is fake news and they reminded us that incompetence best explains the sucky reffing.

 

 

[Ralonzo]

Elliott's kick is good! Oh wait, there's a flag on the play!

 

Seriously, even the garbage time scoring drives for the Chiefs, both tackles were holding every play, Taylor never lines up within 2 yards of LoS, numerous false starts. The 22 pity points just make it look like the\ Chiefs didn't get completely splattered by the Eagles to people getting the "NFL Stats and Records" proprietary brainchip download 50 years on from now.

[stevewin]

I said in the gameday thread - honestly just competently and fairly spotting the ball to not influence the game is a huge deal normally taken for granted  

[gregmo]

7 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

There was a terrible call against the Eagles near the start of the game but after that, I thought the bad calls went the way for the eagles.  You know NFL and Officials were on red alert NOT to show Chiefs favoritism and they didn't. in fact I think they went overboard for the Eagles.

At least they finally got the same treatment that all their opponents received this year.

7 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Edited February 11 by gregmo
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[folz]

6 hours ago, FireChans said:

Shaky calls matter in nail biters. Not in blowouts.

 

if you don’t want the refs to affect the game, make it impossible for them to do so.

 

ass kicking takes the refs out of the game. It takes Jalen Hurts’ bad pick out of the game. 

 

Yet, blowouts (and wins) can be prevented by shaky calls. And allowed with no calls. Sometimes it is a very fine line between a close game and a blowout. The only penalty on the Eagles offense all night was the Brown OPI. No holding calls. No false starts (except on STs). No illegal formations. No hands to the face. None. I swear, every time we play the Chiefs in the post season, beyond just the bad spots in the last game, we have at least two drives killed by a holding call or whatever on the offensive line. Let's say last night on the Eagles first scoring drive, on say 2nd and 10, the refs call holding. Now, it's 2nd and 20, and much more likely a punt (rather than a score) and giving the other team good field position. That could be a 14-point swing in a game on just one call/no call. And turn the momentum. Let's say the refs made two holding calls (or whatever) on Philly's O-line in the first half that stopped one Philly TD drive and their FG drive. Most people won't necessarily question two holding calls in a half. And let's say KC scores with that good field position after those punts. We are talking about a 14-14, 14-10, or 14-7 game at the half instead of 24-0...and its still a game---not a blowout---with just two calls.

 

Obviously though, last night, the game turned on the two Mahomes interceptions. In just 4 plays, the Eagles scored 14 points (late in the 2nd)...blowing the game open. So, you are also correct about trying to not allow the refs to be able to affect the game. I do agree with you that you have to take it out of the refs hands as much as possible. But let's not fool ourselves...K.C. didn't get the same treatment from the refs last night that they have seen so often over the last few years.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, JP51 said:

Honestly, if we are playing into the "Conspiracy"  theory... and its true.. I think the NFL could care less who won that game... they just wanted Tay Tay at the game for ratings... after that it didnt matter... plus the heat over the year I think they played it close... that is IF you believe in the conspiracy theory.

 

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

The NFL got what they wanted, and didn't care who won.  They got the Swifties.  They got the three-peat drama.  By calling a fair game, they got to push back against the refs+Chiefs narrative.

 

Loved watching it.  "What do you mean I can't line up in the neutral zone?", "What do you mean, I can't blatetly hold?", "What do you mean Mahomes can take a shot to the head and *not* get a flag?"

 

Exactly what these guys said. Plus, most of the country got to see the villain slayed, which leaves a good taste in their mouths about the NFL, rather than the biased refs narrative playing out all off season. Fans like seeing the villain lose almost as much as they like seeing their guy win. Remember the two underdog-Giants Super Bowl wins vs. the Evil cheating Empire?