The Eagles beat the Chiefs by doing the opposite of the Bills

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

He looked worse than he did in the Super Bowl versus Tampa.  The common equation was a lot of pressure - especially up the middle 

Much worse.

Mahomes actually played well despite Tampa’s pressure.

He played awful yesterday.

[Thrivefourfive]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The reason I didn't have Mahomes as the all world talent he has become coming out was his feet. They were a mess at Texas Tech, Reid spent his rookie year essentially re-teaching him footwork and every now and again when he feels stress they fall apart again. 

May I? Bad old habits reappear when you’re not prepared, when you don’t start each training session revisiting solid foundational mechanics. Going to the driving range and spending a minute on grip, posture alignment..

 

The offense wasn’t good all season. Mahomes had a bad season all the way around. And then this happens in the SB. 
 

Has he not invested enough time in prep work before and during the season? Is he a busy guy? I don’t know much about him. 

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly,  we don't have quality man coverage dbs and our DL is nowhere near Philly.  

 

And Philly didn't play much man coverage. It was predominantly zone and some press bail technique.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Yes. My only interest in watching the game was to see how the Eagles went about shutting down KC on defense. Fangio put on a clinic. I hope the Bills paid attention.

Mcd ran the only defense that gave us a chance with the players he had available, you can’t mix in a bunch of press man if your 4 man rush isn’t getting home and you have mediocre dbs on the back end.  It’s really more on player acquisition imo…I hope they’ll do their best in the Myles Garrett sweepstakes after watching that Super Bowl.  Probably need to hit on a corner or too also. 
 

I don’t think mcd would’ve done anything differently than fangio if he was coaching that Philly defense last night 

 

 

[Magox]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And Philly didn't play much man coverage. It was predominantly zone and some press bail technique.

It appeared to be a lot of zone press man match schemes.   Mahomes was being taken off his first read all game long.  Polar opposite from what we saw from the Bills.   Mahomes got the ball out a full second quicker against the Bills.

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

Great stuff.  Thanks.

[DJB]

Our entire defense lacks talent , but yes for years we’ve complained about not enough press corners with way too soft 10 yard cushions 

[Thrivefourfive]

7 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Mcd ran the only defense that gave us a chance with the players he had available, you can’t mix in a bunch of press man if your 4 man rush isn’t getting home and you have mediocre dbs on the back end.  It’s really more on player acquisition imo…I hope they’ll do their best in the Myles Garrett sweepstakes after watching that Super Bowl.  Probably need to hit on a corner or too also. 
 

I don’t think mcd would’ve done anything differently than fangio if he was coaching that Philly defense last night 

 

 

Who did the Chiefs have that could’ve scared us? We could’ve played them tighter, and a play or two of Oliver or Rousseau getting home could have absolutely been a difference in that game.

 

Forgetting how easily the Chiefs carved us.. 8 yards, 12 yards. Sometimes it looked like the Bills weren’t even ready to begin the okay and the Chiefs just moved the ball ten yards forward while the Bills were busy picking the noses. 
 

There it is really. McDermott wins the Super Bowl as Philly’s HC

 

Beane, you hearing this???

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Thrivefourfive

[JohnNord]

5 minutes ago, DJB said:

Our entire defense lacks talent , but yes for years we’ve complained about not enough press corners with way too soft 10 yard cushions 

This wasn’t the issue against Kansas City. 

[Einstein]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

press bail technique.

 

Great observation, but you may have to explain this for some people.  

 

this was happening a lot of the time they were running zone. and went run correctly, it really gives the benefit of both man and zone.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Magox said:

It appeared to be a lot of zone press man match schemes.   Mahomes was being taken off his first read all game long.  Polar opposite from what we saw from the Bills.   Mahomes got the ball out a full second quicker against the Bills.

 

Yea they pressed more than the Bills and then bailed into zone. But they didn't do that every play and the Bills did press some last week (although most of their press did come in man coverage). But I think by far the biggest difference was they have Darius Slay and the Quinyon Mitchell at corner we played most of the game with a has been and a never has been. Oh and they are just better up front. 

 

I think Philly had a great plan but they had great players too. 

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Magox said:

It appeared to be a lot of zone press man match schemes.   

 

Ding ding ding.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Who did the Chiefs have that could’ve scared us? We could’ve played them tighter, and a play or two of Oliver or Rousseau getting home could have absolutely been a difference in that game.

 

Forgetting how easily the Chiefs carved us.. 8 yards, 12 yards. Sometimes it looked like the Bills weren’t even ready to begin the okay and the Chiefs just moved the ball ten yards forward while the Bills were busy picking the noses. 
 

There it is really. McDermott wins the Super Bowl as Philly’s HC

 

Beane, you hearing this???

 

I mean any pretty good wr is gonna look great against Elam and Douglas lol Douglas was bad all year after a good first year here not sure what happened to him. I don’t think we expected that big of a regression.   Elam was atrocious.  chiefs would’ve scored 100 if those guys pressed with the way our dline played 

The eagles gameplan does not work without the pass rush and pass coverage both pulling their weight 

 

[bmur66]

15 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Mcd ran the only defense that gave us a chance with the players he had available, you can’t mix in a bunch of press man if your 4 man rush isn’t getting home and you have mediocre dbs on the back end.  It’s really more on player acquisition imo…I hope they’ll do their best in the Myles Garrett sweepstakes after watching that Super Bowl.  Probably need to hit on a corner or too also. 
 

I don’t think mcd would’ve done anything differently than fangio if he was coaching that Philly defense last night 

 

 

Right. The Bills need better players. 

[BillMafia716ix]

The issue is clearly talent..as far as I’m concerned every position could be upgraded. Benford is the only guy, I would commit any type of big contract too. Our defensive line is not even close to being good enough. Whatever it takes to get Myles Garrett they need to do it. 

[KOKBILLS]

Without digging in at all yet, generally it seemed to me that Mahomes was ultra quick with his decisions and confident against the Bills D... Receivers were open and he knew where he was going with the ball fast. 

 

Philly got him to hesitate, and even a slightest hesitation can be trouble against that bunch because they are very big, and very athletic on that front 4... But it did seem like his 1st read was taken away a lot last night... And he was flat out panicking a lot. 

[Einstein]

36 minutes ago, MJS said:

They did it by playing the Bills normal defense. Except they have the dline to actually get pressure.

 

Not even close to the Bills normal defense.

 

We don’t play press (maybe 15 plays all year).

 

I’ll see if I can add that counter feature to EinsteinFootball.com

[extrahammer]

I disagree with the thread title: "The Eagles beat the Chiefs by doing the opposite of the Bills"!

 

We've battled both teams close. We're close. We've needed pass rushers since 2020. Beane's done nothing other than risk too much on Von, something we all wondered at the time. Von sounds like he'd re-sign for cheap, I hope so. But we gotta invest in DL finally. AJ and Greg are great products of the system, we gotta have a factor other than Josh and James.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, KOKBILLS said:

Without digging in at all yet, generally it seemed to me that Mahomes was ultra quick with his decisions and confident against the Bills D... 

 

That’s what this is all about. 

 

The Eagles pressed the Chiefs receivers. This gave Mahomes no quick outlet. He couldn’t throw those quick slant passes, because there was a guy jamming his receivers in their face. 

 

Sometimes they bailed into zone after the press, other times they stayed man. But the key was that the initial press TOOK AWAY Mahomes quick passes.

 

It made him hold the ball. And that gave their excellent d-line more time to get to him.

[billsfan714]

3 hours ago, finn said:

He learned what to do in 2021 when Tampa Bay did the same thing to KC. That's why he immediately drafted Rousseau and Basham and gave away the store for Von Miller. Knowing what to do and doing it are two different things. I know how to dunk a basketball but never have done it nor ever will. 

 

The Bills look pathetic against KC be a) the line can't get pressure; and b) McDermott likes to play soft. When will that change if it hasn't yet? 

My Pittsburgh fan buddy said after we lost to the Chiefs---no pass rush at all.   Its so obvious whats wrong.