The Eagles beat the Chiefs by doing the opposite of the Bills

[JohnNord]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

actually, makes me think that the normal McD defense is better. Just need better talent on that dline. 

It’s the same defensive philosophy.  Philly just had better talent to pull it off.  
 

Also, let’s not forget that Kansas City and Mahomes probably played their worst game in years..maybe their worst game ever.  It was a rarity

[Thrivefourfive]

6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Their success elsewhere says otherwise.  Cox in the past and Carter now.  They require you to double him every pass play.  Buffalo doesn't have that.  Milton Williams, Nolan Smith, Josh Sweet are good players.  Buffalo has good players.  Jalen Carter is great.  KC had to max protect to ensure Carter was getting double teamed.  That put good dlineman on rbs and Tes.  Kc biggest weakness LG had to go against Philly strength in Carter.  That set the table for everyone else to win favorable match ups and that js what they did.  

We agree. Carter is projecting to the highest land in Canton. 
 

This is what the Beane has to do btw— sellout draft picks to move up and hit homeruns. 
 

But I don’t see the other ten guys on the Bills defense benefitting from a Carter talent as much as the Eagles players do, because the Eagles have better players irregardlessness

[MJS]

The Eagles got pressure with their front four and dropped everyone else into coverage. That's why they succeeded. It is what McDermott has always wanted to achieve.

[Sojourner]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

The Eagles got pressure with their front four and dropped everyone else into coverage. That's why they succeeded. It is what McDermott has always wanted to achieve.

Exactly. People banging on about Sean’s defensive coaching philosophy and scheme are the same that are praising the Eagles through and through. 
 

The systems are similar in a lot of ways. 
 

Talent is the problem. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

The Eagles DLine collapsed the pocket so fast and so often, I'm not sure it even mattered much.  Mahomes had no escape lanes and was literally under siege almost every play. His feet were all over the place and he was off all night long.

 

The reason I didn't have Mahomes as the all world talent he has become coming out was his feet. They were a mess at Texas Tech, Reid spent his rookie year essentially re-teaching him footwork and every now and again when he feels stress they fall apart again. 

[skibum]

Buffalo could try to run the same scheme, but it starts to look really bead when nobody's getting home. I just don't think the Bills' D-line is nearly as nasty as the Eagles'. That's the difference I see more than anything. 

[GunnerBill]

The played a bit more press than the Bills (they have two elite corners, it helps) but it is not the case that the Bills played no press in the AFCCG and the Eagles played all press last night. 

 

The two biggest difference between their D succeeding and ours failing was:

 

1. They played their defense and we played something other than our defense in an attempt to change it up.

 

2. By far the biggest: talent. 

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

We agree. Carter is projecting to the highest land in Canton. 
 

This is what the Beane has to do btw— sellout draft picks to move up and hit homeruns. 
 

But I don’t see the other ten guys on the Bills defense benefitting from a Carter talent as much as the Eagles players do, because the Eagles have better players irregardlessness

I don't know if I would go that far.  They were a few plays away themselves from playing in the Superbowl.  Sky isnt falling.  Buffalo are not further away.  I think some tweaks on defense are needed.  I agree a bold move for a dlineman is required.  Go up and get one.  In this draft a few spots to secure your guy.  Trade for disgruntled vet.  Garret is the obvious.  I would add Hendrickson and Crosby.  Adding speed and athleticism in the secondary is a must.  Every spot is open next to Johnson and Benford. 

[Jauronimo]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Yup. We've never seen a gameplan like that here. 

You can game plan 6 sacks and 11 QB hits without blitzing all you want....

[Mat68]

4 minutes ago, skibum said:

Buffalo could try to run the same scheme, but it starts to look really bead when nobody's getting home. I just don't think the Bills' D-line is nearly as nasty as the Eagles'. That's the difference I see more than anything. 

Buffalo needs more versatile Safety play.  Bishop helps with that imo.  Adding another guy who can help get back to player and scheme versatility is needed.  Buffalo played more traditional Fs and Ss.  They didnt have enough talent to utilize more cover 4-6 or 2 imo.   

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

22 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It’s the same defensive philosophy.  Philly just had better talent to pull it off.  
 

Also, let’s not forget that Kansas City and Mahomes probably played their worst game in years..maybe their worst game ever.  It was a rarity

Rattled mahomes is all over the place…I just don’t think he goes through adversity enough to improve in that area.  The dude was holding the ball too long and just stepping up right into the pressure..  his footwork was terrible. Any time a dline gets him to lose composure early he just melts down it’s just very rare that a team is able to do that to them 

Edited 13 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Flip Johnson said:

It's not a man vs. zone situation - The Bills ran more man than normal against KC. 

We are lacking the high level athletes in the secondary to make that approach work - especially after Benford went down.

Exactly,  we don't have quality man coverage dbs and our DL is nowhere near Philly.  

[MJS]

12 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

OP: Bills plays soft man

 

MJS: No the Bills played man and blitzed a lot

 

OP: Huh? 

 

MJS: Bills blitzed a lot

 

OP: What does that have to do with soft man?

 

Do you even know what you’re saying?

That's not what I said. I said they did not just play soft man. Yes, I did also mention that they blitzed a lot in my first post, because they did.

 

But keep doubling down. You're wrong on all accounts. In fact, it is the exact opposite of what you claimed. So, now you are just trying to drag those who pointed it out through the mud instead of owning up. Typical Einstein.

[Thrivefourfive]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

I don't know if I would go that far.  They were a few plays away themselves from playing in the Superbowl.  Sky isnt falling.  Buffalo are not further away.  I think some tweaks on defense are needed.  I agree a bold move for a dlineman is required.  Go up and get one.  In this draft a few spots to secure your guy.  Trade for disgruntled vet.  Garret is the obvious.  I would add Hendrickson and Crosby.  Adding speed and athleticism in the secondary is a must.  Every spot is open next to Johnson and Benford. 

Mind set wise. We should be playing chess like Philly and LA with the off season. Need to be bullish right now. Allen has the locker room. He has MVP cred. Go get it! One or two of the acquisitions might not be premier Process guys, that cannot hold us back from getting top talent, as long as we dispose of disruptive behaviors appropriately (even the Chiefs played Chess with Araiza while we puttered on the checkers board). 

[bmur66]

Yes. My only interest in watching the game was to see how the Eagles went about shutting down KC on defense. Fangio put on a clinic. I hope the Bills paid attention.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, bmur66 said:

Yes. My only interest in watching the game was to see how the Eagles went about shutting down KC on defense. Fangio put on a clinic. I hope the Bills paid attention.

They did it by playing the Bills normal defense. Except they have the dline to actually get pressure.

[Thrivefourfive]

If Beane can land Garrett, and use our top pick of 2025 on a safety IF said safety is also close to BPA… now that’ll be something. 
 

Beane is predictable. He’ll want to pair up Bishop to recreate Poyer/Hyde. Predictable is dumb and flawed sometimes. 

[JohnNord]

4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Rattled mahomes is all over the place…I just don’t think he goes through adversity enough to improve in that area.  The dude was holding the ball too long and just stepping up right into the pressure..  his footwork was terrible. Any time a dline gets him to lose composure early he just melts down it’s just very rare that a team is able to do that to them 

He looked worse than he did in the Super Bowl versus Tampa.  The common equation was a lot of pressure - especially up the middle 

[MJS]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The played a bit more press than the Bills (they have two elite corners, it helps) but it is not the case that the Bills played no press in the AFCCG and the Eagles played all press last night. 

 

The two biggest difference between their D succeeding and ours failing was:

 

1. They played their defense and we played something other than our defense in an attempt to change it up.

 

2. By far the biggest: talent. 

Benford getting hurt was also a big factor. We went from a really good corner to a shaky, mistake prone Elam.

[4th&long]

You mean not playing scared? Not playing a soft candy ass D?