The Eagles beat the Chiefs by doing the opposite of the Bills

[JimmyNoodles]

34 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

I hate to do this here, but is Beane the bigger problem over McDermott? 
 

It would be easier to get rid of Beane and keep McDermott, and then release McDermott if that doesn’t work out in 1-3 years. 
 

We are all saying it. We don’t have the horses to do what the Eagles did— scheme wise because of talent deficiencies. So we can’t expect McDermott to coach ‘em up to do that, right?! There’s no talent. McDermott isn’t dumb and we watch him use his first aide kit, which only works if we force a TO or hold to FGs. So it worked a lot this season. But the D didn’t pass any eye test whatsoever. 
 

Beane’s draft record is getting worse. It’s declining. He drafts good players. But he misses on top player projections, and he misses on guys that eye test wise seem like they’d be lucky to even perform at their draft slot. He takes players and I think, what’s special about that nice looking college player..?? I don’t see any one skill that projects as a top performing talent in the NFL. 
 

Beane drafts B players everywhere in the draft. 
 

Beane should be the new Buffalo Bills Assistant GM/B Player Scout Specialist, where as Beane gets a few mid/late round picks and that’s it.

 

We are losing the draft and free agency to the better organizations. We need to rank our roster on Beane, and not give bonus points for having a top QB. 
 

Bottom line is Beane SHOULD BE SWEATING. Would Terry instill that pressure? McDermott  putting on that pressure, I don’t like it. He has other interests and his own responsibilities. 
 

I think McDermott is the smarter of the two, so I’d keep McDermott and move on from Beane if he: 1. Can’t land Garrett; 2. Loses our off season/draft; and we don’t get to the SB next season. I’m moving on.

 

I’ll be a jerk and say I laugh that McDermott looks genuinely amazed James Cook is out performing the team’s expectations that THEY placed on him from the DRAFT (Beane)

 

I would totally agree with this, but I don't think that Beane drafts anyone on D without McD input.  And, that's how it should be.  Keeps people on the same page.  Does Beane just need different marching orders?  

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Biggest thing I noticed is they executed their contain rush to perfection. Mahomes had no escape lanes. In our game in the 1st half we had zero contain discipline, I almost couldn't believe what I was watching.

 

ah, yes, I meant to mention that too. That was key as well.

[MJS]

That's not what the Bills did. The Bills played a ton of man coverage and blitzed a lot.

[CircleTheWagons99]

27 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Do we think it wont change because we can’t draft good players or because McD won’t change?

Mcd wont change, its been 8 years and the Def is always the same.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I actually think the eagles played mostly zone. 

[Einstein]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

That's not what the Bills did. The Bills played a ton of man coverage 

 

Tell us that you didn’t actually read the post without telling us…

[Scott7975]

It's more a talent difference than a scheme difference.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I actually think the eagles played mostly zone. 

 

 

They did a mix. They literally ran man and zone in the same play. And as the OP says, on key downs they went press man.

Watch the 3rd and 4th downs.

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Einstein

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

 

They did a mix. As the OP says, on key downs they went press man.

Watch the 3rd and 4th downs.

 

 

they only played man on two plays the entire game, per this.

 

 

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

Um so….This isn’t correct at all.   It’s completely WRONG.

Buffalo came out playing man to man defense not a soft zone against Kansas City.  They played 41% Cover 1 which is the highest they’ve ever run in the postseason.   So your “soft zone” excuse just hit the skids.  It’s wrong.  

 

Cover 1 was the game plan and it blew up once Benford went out of the game.   They only slowed KC when they ran zone.

 

Benford and Douglas aren’t press corners.  They can press, but it’s not their strength.  They are zone corners.  You know who is a press corner?  Kaiir Elam who was the worst player on the field.  

The sticky coverage by Philly did take away the quick game but the pass rush also got there.  Pressure and Coverage working together.  

 

To say that talent wasn’t a factor in Philly’s performance is delusional.   They could run a style of defense that Buffalo doesn’t excel at.  
 

But yeah… they ran “soft zone”

 

[Mat68]

10 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Carter isn’t the difference between the two defenses. The number of Eagles that would start on the Bills defense is the difference. 

Their success elsewhere says otherwise.  Cox in the past and Carter now.  They require you to double him every pass play.  Buffalo doesn't have that.  Milton Williams, Nolan Smith, Josh Sweet are good players.  Buffalo has good players.  Jalen Carter is great.  KC had to max protect to ensure Carter was getting double teamed.  That put good dlineman on rbs and Tes.  Kc biggest weakness LG had to go against Philly strength in Carter.  That set the table for everyone else to win favorable match ups and that js what they did.  

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Tell us that you didn’t actually read the post without telling us…

The Bills were very aggressive a d they didn't just play soft coverage. You're just wrong about that.

 

And apparently you're wrong about what the Eagles did, too, haha. So this entire premise is just completely false. The Eaglss played zone the entire game.

Edited 14 hours ago by MJS

[JohnNord]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

they only played man on two plays the entire game, per this.

 

 

The OP is so wrong in his assessment it’s not even funny

[MJS]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

The OP is so wrong in his assessment it’s not even funny

Yep. Wrong about what the Bills did and wrong about what the Eagles did.

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Flip Johnson said:

It's not a man vs. zone situation - The Bills ran more man than normal against KC. 

We are lacking the high level athletes in the secondary to make that approach work - especially after Benford went down.

They ran M2M defense on nearly 41% of the plays and it was way less effective than their zone.  They stay in man longer than they should because Elam is not good at zone

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

they only played man on two plays the entire game, per this.

 

 

Yeah that’s not accurate, unless they’re counting only deep backfield.

 

The Eagles ran a ton of zone and man in the same play, which NeztGen is probably counting as zone only.

Edited 13 hours ago by Einstein

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, MJS said:

Yep. Wrong about what the Bills did and wrong about what the Eagles did.

 

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

The OP is so wrong in his assessment it’s not even funny

actually, makes me think that the normal McD defense is better. Just need better talent on that dline. 

[Thrivefourfive]

6 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Mcd wont change, its been 8 years and the Def is always the same.

We really need him to. He has to know. Don’t think he needs to overhaul his defensive philosophy. Just add to it. 

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

The Bills were very aggressive a d they didn't just play soft coverage. 

 

“soft man” says nothing of pressure. It means the corners played off the receiver. 
 

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

[MJS]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

“soft man” says nothing of pressure. It means the corners played off the receiver. 
 

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

I didn't mention pressure at all. What are you talking about?