The Eagles beat the Chiefs by doing the opposite of the Bills

[86poker]

Crazy that you press a 155lb WR and the result is he goes for 2rec/9yds lol

 

 

Then you go soft coverage, in a blowout, he goes off

 

Not rocket science here

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

our blind squirrel has yet to find a nut. also, can’t count Fangio’s record with other teams. 

 

 

Well he was the game plan advisor against the Chiefs for those Eagles in 2022 but wasn't the DC........so does that SB loss to Mahomes count? 

 

I think Vic is like 0-5 versus Josh Allen too.   

 

Point is.........he's not some great schematic genius DC.........not beating yours with his and his with yours.........and YES I will count his record with other teams.

[CincyBillsFan]

30 minutes ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

To be clear though the Eagles defensive game plan and execution was the deciding factor.  80% of last nights win can be directly attributed to the play of the Eagles D.  In the first half and first possession of the 2nd half, when the game was decided, the Eagles D dominated the Chiefs forcing repeated 3 & outs, and 2 TO's that led directly to 14 points.  The Eagles O had not exactly dominated the Chiefs and in fact was responsible for only 10 of the Eagles 24 points by midway through the 3rd quarter.

 

 

[26TrapDraw]

12 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

You aren’t wrong, but do you think the Bills have the talent in the secondary to play a lot of man?  I think that would just expose their secondary.

the answer is no. We don't. our D line is marshmallow soft and pass rush non existent. Our Secondary has a pretty good press corner but won't use him because our defensive philosophy is 2 deep zone. Instead of adapting and going to press coverage we just stick with what we are comfortable with and it cost us. Always does.

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

They have a ton more talent on defense than the Bills. That helps.

Regardless of all the over-analysis, statistics, and metrics being churned out. that's what it always comes down to in the end. The Eagles defense has better players than the Bills defense. They played a better zone coverage scheme and executed it while the DL exploited the Chiefs weakness at the Tackle positions. The Bills don't have DE's that can do that consistently. This resulted in Mahomes playing one of his worst games ever. I count 5 scoring drives where the Eagles started on the other side of the 50. And a defensive TD. If the Bills offense got that much help from the defense they would have scored 50+ in the AFCCC game.

 

 

[TBBills Fan]

22 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Is the tape out?

 

I felt like the Eagles mixed up zone and man looks pretty significantly. Notably, both of Mahomes’ picks were on zone reads.

 

I think their gameplan on D was different but I wouldn’t go as far as to say opposite 

Here's the telling stat

 

The eagles blitzed 0 times and got home all night 

[CincyBillsFan]

17 minutes ago, klos63 said:

They have a ton more talent on defense than the Bills. That helps.

On offense to if we're being honest.  Outside of Allen, Dawkins & Brown who else on the Bills O would start over the Eagles starters? Maybe Shakir?

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

35 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

The Eagles got home six times for a sack and pressured many more times without blitzing once. It's called better DL players. Our front four was stymied by KC's putrid OL. Clearly our defense was a liability that our offense hid and the Eagles showed the league what a real defense looks like from their DL, LB and DBs.  Now Beane knows what he needs to do. 

My concern is Beane and his scouting. He feels the players he drafts are better than others and it hasn't panned out.

[klos63]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

On offense to if we're being honest.  Outside of Allen, Dawkins & Brown who else on the Bills O would start over the Eagles starters? Maybe Shakir?

 

 

But our offense functions very well.  

It's the defense that is holding us back. 

 

[Mark Vader]

53 minutes ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

What was it that the Bills did defensively to beat the Chiefs in the regular season as opposed to the post season?

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

On offense to if we're being honest.  Outside of Allen, Dawkins & Brown who else on the Bills O would start over the Eagles starters? Maybe Shakir?

 

 

Not sure Dawkins or Brown are starting on Philly tbh. 
 

It’s just Josh.

 

Josh and Philly’s talent would probably win the SB every year. But part of the reason they are so talented is because they gave Hurts the “we believe in you but not really” contract.

19 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Here's the telling stat

 

The eagles blitzed 0 times and got home all night 

Sure that’s nice but is that scheme or talent?

 

Imo clearly talent. They didn’t blitz because they didn’t need to lol. If Mahomes was picking them apart while their OL held up, they would have blitzed.

[appoo]

So we’re just inventing reasons to attack McDermott at this point

[TBBills Fan]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Not sure Dawkins or Brown are starting on Philly tbh. 
 

It’s just Josh.

 

Josh and Philly’s talent would probably win the SB every year. But part of the reason they are so talented is because they gave Hurts the “we believe in you but not really” contract.

Sure that’s nice but is that scheme or talent?

 

Imo clearly talent. They didn’t blitz because they didn’t need to lol. If Mahomes was picking them apart while their OL held up, they would have blitzed.

Both.  Talent is needed to execute that scheme for sure. And that is why I am all in on getting Myles Garrett. 

[HappyDays]

Biggest thing I noticed is they executed their contain rush to perfection. Mahomes had no escape lanes. In our game in the 1st half we had zero contain discipline, I almost couldn't believe what I was watching.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

On offense to if we're being honest.  Outside of Allen, Dawkins & Brown who else on the Bills O would start over the Eagles starters? Maybe Shakir?

 

 

 

 

Nobody has a better overall roster than the Eagles.   Doesn't mean the Bills aren't better in a number of starting positions.   Howie Roseman is just the best personnel man in the NFL.   But the gap in rosters isn't vast.  

 

The thing is, the Eagles are not only better but also have more chips to work with to improve theirs.   The Bills are a couple years further into their QB window so they have more cap issues.   Josh is over $40M cap hit this year and Hurts is around $20M, for example.   And Hurts is easily their biggest cap number.  

 

They are sitting pretty and primed to add/retain pro talent with their cap situation for another year or two.  And I expect them to replace guys like Sweat and Baun with cheaper players or better players(Myles Garrett?).   Because that's how Howie seems to be able to do it.

 

So Beane would have to really have a great offseason if the goal were to match rosters with the Eagles.

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

What was it that the Bills did defensively to beat the Chiefs in the regular season as opposed to the post season?

We ran the same exact defense both times.

 

Chiefs were ready for it the second time. 

[BuffaloMatt]

35 minutes ago, finn said:

He learned what to do in 2021 when Tampa Bay did the same thing to KC. That's why he immediately drafted Rousseau and Basham and gave away the store for Von Miller. Knowing what to do and doing it are two different things. I know how to dunk a basketball but never have done it nor ever will. 

 

The Bills look pathetic against KC be a) the line can't get pressure; and b) McDermott likes to play soft. When will that change if it hasn't yet? 

Sometimes you need to be taught things more than once. Beane tried, failed. Swung and missed with Von? Injury had a lot to do with that. Missed on Basham. Oliver and AJ  I'm not in love with. Groot I'm still undecided. Getting a true pass rushing force will make the rest so much better which we saw before Von's injury. Our LBs are undersized our secondary is also undersized and lacks true talent.  

[loyal2dagame]

Couldn't help it: 

 

 

[Thrivefourfive]

This is obvious but I still hope the more people say it the more it becomes obvious that our coach is #1 problem. 

It was also impressive that there was no spy on Mahomes, which given the four rushers would’ve been plausible. They didn’t need that either, because of the defensive line. Even the times the Eagles lineman got stuck on one side, it was literally and figuratively their right side, and a lineman broke free to cover the ground needed to disrupt Mahomes. The one play where Mahomes scrambled back and to the right and Carter was slingshotted to a Mahomes by the Chiefs shoving olineman, 4th down play, Carter got his ankles and the ball was late to the spot. 
 

The Eagles pressured AND contained the pocket, not so much the player in or out of it. 
 

All seven got to cover, tight man and zone. It was beautiful. 
 

McDermott, in all his defensive genius 🤮 hasn’t done one thing to deviate. I consider that less than genius level, on principle. He’s Ichiro compared to Willie Mays. 

[Ray Finkel]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

Definitely a great scheme.  A they also kept Mahomes from rolling outside of the pocket.  He looked like a rabbit in a box.