The Eagles beat the Chiefs by doing the opposite of the Bills

[Einstein]

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did a lot last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play (where in man or zone) This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Einstein

[Utah John]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

Great analysis.  I don't know if the Bills would have been successful doing that the Eagles did, considering the Bills D line is a B or B- group based on production.  (The Bills spend so much money and so many draft picks on the D line, and this is all they get??  Either they can't draft that position, or they can't coach that position, or both.)  So an attacking scheme by the Bills would probably still have given Mahomes plenty of time to pass, and the soft zone would still have been a target rich environment for Kelce.

[Big Turk]

The Eagles DLine collapsed the pocket so fast and so often, I'm not sure it even mattered much.  Mahomes had no escape lanes and was literally under siege almost every play. His feet were all over the place and he was off all night long.

Edited 10 hours ago by Big Turk

[OldTimer1960]

You aren’t wrong, but do you think the Bills have the talent in the secondary to play a lot of man?  I think that would just expose their secondary.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Just now, Big Turk said:

The Bills DLine collapsed the pocket so fast and so often, I'm not sure it ever mattered much.  Mahomes had no escape lanes and was literally under siege almost every play. His feet were all over the place and he was off all night long.

That is how you beat him, and how the Giants beat Brady.

[BuffaloMatt]

The Eagles got home six times for a sack and pressured many more times without blitzing once. It's called better DL players. Our front four was stymied by KC's putrid OL. Clearly our defense was a liability that our offense hid and the Eagles showed the league what a real defense looks like from their DL, LB and DBs.  Now Beane knows what he needs to do. 

Edited 10 hours ago by BuffaloMatt

[Big Turk]

Just now, OldTimer1960 said:

You aren’t wrong, but do you think the Bills have the talent in the secondary to play a lot of man?  I think that would just expose their secondary.

 

I mean, that's what they do against the Dolphins and it seems to work well most games.

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

Is the tape out?

 

I felt like the Eagles mixed up zone and man looks pretty significantly. Notably, both of Mahomes’ picks were on zone reads.

 

I think their gameplan on D was different but I wouldn’t go as far as to say opposite 

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

 

 

Being rested, healthy and on a neutral field played an important role as well.   The Chiefs had some advantages over the Bills in that AFCCG, which could be attributed to the bye and #1 seed.   They didn't have those against the Eagles.  Good for Fangio though he was like 0-9 all-time versus Mahomes prior to that.   Blind squirrel finally found a nut.

[Dablitzkrieg]

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Is the tape out?

 

I felt like the Eagles mixed up zone and man looks pretty significantly. Notably, both of Mahomes’ picks were on zone reads.

 

I think their gameplan on D was different but I wouldn’t go as far as to say opposite 

 

All of it started from Mahomes being pressured quickly all game long and almost seeing ghosts because even when he had time, his feet were not set properly because he was expecting to have to be on the move

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Being rested, healthy and on a neutral field played an important role as well.   The Chiefs had some advantages over the Bills in that AFCCG, which could be attributed to the bye and #1 seed.   They didn't have those against the Eagles.  Good for Fangio though he was like 0-9 all-time versus Mahomes prior to that.   Blind squirrel finally found a nut.

 

our blind squirrel has yet to find a nut. also, can’t count Fangio’s record with other teams. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

18 minutes ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

 

Yup. We've never seen a gameplan like that here. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

All of it started from Mahomes being pressured quickly all game long and almost seeing ghosts because even when he had time, his feet were not set properly because he was expecting to have to be on the move

For sure. 
 

For all of his greatness, this is the second Super Bowl where Mahomes has shown he can be pretty flappable.

 

he wasn’t the only problem but he was an absolute problem. Throwing at Kelce’s knees etc etc. they truly did collapse after that.

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

For sure. 
 

For all of his greatness, this is the second Super Bowl where Mahomes has shown he can be pretty flappable.

 

he wasn’t the only problem but he was an absolute problem. Throwing at Kelce’s knees etc etc. they truly did collapse after that.

 

There was some of that even in the Bills game during the regular season...they were getting after him pretty good in that game...first INT on the 2nd play was caused by it. Not to that extent obviously, but we have seen it

Edited 10 hours ago by Big Turk

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Is the tape out?

 

I felt like the Eagles mixed up zone and man looks pretty significantly. Notably, both of Mahomes’ picks were on zone reads.

 

I think their gameplan on D was different but I wouldn’t go as far as to say opposite 

 

Yes.

And sometimes seemingly mid-play.

But every time a key down came, they were running press man.

[Flip Johnson]

It's not a man vs. zone situation - The Bills ran more man than normal against KC. 

We are lacking the high level athletes in the secondary to make that approach work - especially after Benford went down.

[Peace Frog]

[klos63]

24 minutes ago, Einstein said:

That was the most shocking part of last nights game. The Eagles essentially came out and said “everything the Bills did last week, we are going to do the opposite”.

 

Many fans are talking about the dominant Eagles d-line. They’re right. Talent plays a big part. BUT, part of the reason they looked SO dominant last night is because of the scheme the Eagles were running.

 

Instead of playing soft man, like we did last week, the Eagles pressed on nearly every play. This made the Chiefs old/slow (Kelce/Hopkins) and small (Hollywood/Worthy) have to fight for every yard from the second the ball was snapped.

 

This took away the quick passing game that Mahomes excelled with against the Bills. He HAD to hold the ball, because his receivers needed time to get open because they were being pressed at the line.

 

It was that combination of the Eagles talent on D-Line, AND the coaching scheme making Mahomes hold the ball. 

 

It was the completely opposite of what we ran. And it rattled Mahomes something fierce.

 

On the offensive side, they hit the flats REPEATEDLY. This made the Chiefs divert attention to the boundary and opened up the middle of the field for Hurts to run when the LB’s abandoned to cover the flats.

 

It was a beautiful coaching job. Vic Fangio deserves major kudos. I was happy when Miami jettisoned home - he was not the problem there.

 

 

They have a ton more talent on defense than the Bills. That helps.

[finn]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

The Eagles got home six times for a sack and pressured many more times without blitzing once. It's called better DL players. Our front four was stymied by KC's putrid OL. Clearly our defense was a liability that our offense hid and the Eagles showed the league what a real defense looks like from their DL, LB and DBs.  Now Beane knows what he needs to do. 

He learned what to do in 2021 when Tampa Bay did the same thing to KC. That's why he immediately drafted Rousseau and Basham and gave away the store for Von Miller. Knowing what to do and doing it are two different things. I know how to dunk a basketball but never have done it nor ever will. 

 

The Bills look pathetic against KC be a) the line can't get pressure; and b) McDermott likes to play soft. When will that change if it hasn't yet?