colin Posted February 12 Posted February 12 diggs extension, in season trades for hines and douglas (i'll give a no grade on cooper, injury and he coulda been great!), knox extension, von contract (i supported it with some caution, but age/size/injury was too big a risk). Ford, basham, AJ, elam, and early returns on bishop, coleman, carter, kinkaid. those 13 moves were all misses. if 4 or 5 of those 13 were hits, we have fewer roster holes now and likely have at last one lomardi. somewhat ironically since we have been digging so deep into the draft in this thread, his extension and FA misses have been the real killers (money to diggs, von, combo of money and picks to hines and douglas, cost of knox contract). you can say what you want about drafting great, but free agency (trades as well, for picks) is where you hit the easy mode button and drop a ton of cash and go out and get the proven player you need right now. philly got barclay, baltimore got henry, and the rams have gotten to two chips buying free agents. getting those wrong hurts because instead of elam who you wish were a better player on a rookie contract, you get von nursing his knee on the bench, or diggs not even on the team smoking 15% of your cap. now, beane's misses in the past means he's got to have a crazy hit rate coming up, we need some of elam, kinkaid, coleman, carter to make huge strides and be the players we wanted them to be when they were drafted, our picks this season to be year one positive impact players, and some kind of free agent or trade moves to hit. mcd made his biggest offseason moves in coaching to date blowing out special teams and bringing in senior guys on D, beane has to make hay. i think getting one or two quality starter in the secondary or wr, rotational quality at DT in the draft, some good luck with the four above mentioned young guys having a break out season, and figuring out some kind of contract restructure (allen, von, knox, whoever else) in order to trade some picks for garrett and extend him are his necessary accomplishments to have the A+ offseason he needs to get this team to the promised land. Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Fair although that is a 3 year sample size only with Kiper. On the hits out of the park that is sort of my point... they are all good picks that you mention but he needs a star other than Allen and hasnt found one. He hits 1s and 2s not home runs. Draft 8 upcoming. He has to start finding those elite difference makers. I’m sorry Gunner but this is the same BS people keeps slinging at Beane; “No difference makers.” What are Cook, Brown, Shakir, Benford, T Johnson etc….? Benford was a 6th rd pick you just graded out as the 5th best CB in the NFL. That’s a HR pick by any objective measure. Shakir, a 5th rd pick, was 2nd in the league in YAC and has become one of the most reliable slot receivers in the NFL. Another HR pick by any objective measure. I think people here consistently under rate the quality of players on this roster. For example how many teams in the NFL would be lining up to acquire Dawkins or Brown if they were available in trade or as FAs? 28? More? Myles Garrett is a future HOFer and where is Cleveland? Crosby is a huge star, where are the Raiders? Star power guarantees nothing in the NFL, just look at the Cowboys. Beane has built the most consistent winning Bills team ever with his singles, doubles, triples and yes HRs. Remember this is a team game with a salary cap, you can’t and won’t have a superstar at every position. No question the defense needs to be fixed to take the next step but enough already about the lack of difference makers as it simply isn’t true. Edited February 12 by GASabresIUFan 2 1 2 Quote
FireChans Posted February 12 Posted February 12 15 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: think people here consistently under rate the quality of players on this roster. Josh Allen just won MVP because he dragged this crew to the AFCCG. The league has spoken. They aren’t underrating this roster, you are overrating it. 2 Quote
Magox Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Maybe Beane can mortgage the future similar to how the Eagles did Holy fudge! 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted February 12 Posted February 12 9 minutes ago, Magox said: Maybe Beane can mortgage the future similar to how the Eagles did Holy fudge! BTW, that's why it seems like PHI and SF are playing in an uncapped league. 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Magox said: Maybe Beane can mortgage the future similar to how the Eagles did Holy fudge! At the start of 2026 is the perfect time to extend Josh's contract by 5 years. I'm all for pushing a huge amount of his cap into void years then. He will be 38 when he is up for FA. Pay the piper in 2034. Edited February 12 by ColoradoBills 2 Quote
Rubes Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: At the start of 2026 is the perfect time to extend Josh's contract by 5 years. I'm all for pushing a huge amount of his cap into void years then. He will be 38 when he is up for FA. Pay the piper in 3034. 3034 is a pretty long time away...would they even allow that many void years? 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 Just now, Rubes said: 3034 is a pretty long time away...would they even allow that many void years? I know it sounds weird but those are the rules. Look at Hurts. He signed in 2023 to a 5-year extension. He has "Void years" going through the 2032 season. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47648/jalen-hurts It's very risky to do this with too many players BUT Josh is the whole team so using his contract this way is the way to go IMO. If the "unthinkable" happens, the team has to blow up everything anyways. 1 Quote
Rubes Posted February 12 Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I know it sounds weird but those are the rules. Look at Hurts. He signed in 2023 to a 5-year extension. He has "Void years" going through the 2032 season. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47648/jalen-hurts It's very risky to do this with too many players BUT Josh is the whole team so using his contract this way is the way to go IMO. If the "unthinkable" happens, the team has to blow up everything anyways. Yeah but 3034 would mean over 1000 void years on a single contract... 1 1 Quote
Magox Posted February 12 Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I know it sounds weird but those are the rules. Look at Hurts. He signed in 2023 to a 5-year extension. He has "Void years" going through the 2032 season. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47648/jalen-hurts It's very risky to do this with too many players BUT Josh is the whole team so using his contract this way is the way to go IMO. If the "unthinkable" happens, the team has to blow up everything anyways. If the Bills don’t have Allen’s successor while he’s on the roster, they could blow it all up the year he leaves, cut players and take the massive debt hit the year after which probably would lead to a high draft pick to go after your next franchise QB. That was the problem with the years that the Bills were in playoff purgatory, they were rarely one of the worst 8 teams and were always just mediocre and it seemed like they were drafting in that 10-14 range. They couldn’t land their franchise QB. 1 1 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted February 12 Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Rubes said: Yeah but 3034 would mean over 1000 void years on a single contract... Awesome! 1 minute ago, Magox said: If the Bills don’t have Allen’s successor while he’s on the roster, they could blow it all up the year he leaves, cut players and take the massive debt hit the year after which probably would lead to a high draft pick to go after your next franchise QB. That was the problem with the years that the Bills were in playoff purgatory, they were rarely one of the worst 8 teams and were always just mediocre and it seemed like they were drafting in that 10-14 range. They couldn’t land their franchise QB. Exactly my thoughts. Also (and I hate to bring this up) ends the Beane/McDermott years. It's the smart thing to do and I bet they will talk to Terry about it. 1 Quote
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 12 Posted February 12 I pointed this out earlier and was told I was wrong, so here are the numbers for void years per team- of which we aren't even top 14, this is how we can get some big talent under the cap. Quote
T master Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 2/10/2025 at 9:21 AM, SoonerBillsFan said: Beane has been average on his drafts and horrible at evaluation of DL. I have to wonder if we need a change in our scouts? For all our (esp. My) ripping of McDermott it seems he gets that we need a change and is making coaching changes/ Adds to back that. So what's left? Beane MUST do better in his evaluation of talent and who he picks. We all saw what McClusky and BTJ did this year vs Coleman, that is a miss for me. He picked a bad DL who is no longer here vs a guy who became an all pro center. There are way too many instances of this. McDermott has always wanted pressure from the front 4 so he can do more on the back end, and it is a MUST this offseason. Ill just say it, another average to bad draft, and we need to re evaluate our GM position with this team. That said, I really hope he starts hitting, we all like him, but he needs to step up. Yah exactly, it's to bad that he can't get and keep our team in the play offs yr after yr and keep them relevant in the NFL ... Between him and Mcd not sure who sucks the worst . Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 40 minutes ago, T master said: Yah exactly, it's to bad that he can't get and keep our team in the play offs yr after yr and keep them relevant in the NFL ... Between him and Mcd not sure who sucks the worst . Seriously? ALLEN gets us to the playoffs. Come on man... 1 Quote
T master Posted February 13 Posted February 13 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Seriously? ALLEN gets us to the playoffs. Come on man... He is a huge part of that reason the Bills are winners no one can dispute that, but if you remember this is a "Team" sport ! You take away the O line and where is Josh, this season if the D didn't get the picks they did (which was their only strength this season) and give the ball back to Josh as much as they did he wouldn't have as many opportunity's to score . Edited February 13 by T master Quote
Pete Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 2/10/2025 at 10:54 AM, TH3 said: I am sure he reads this forum and will take note If Bills GMs read this board, we wouldnt of drafted Keon. We would of drafted Ngata. We would of drafted DK Metcalf. Etc. Quote
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 13 Posted February 13 2 minutes ago, Pete said: If Bills GMs read this board, we wouldnt of drafted Keon. We would of drafted Ngata. We would of drafted DK Metcalf. Etc. We also would have drafted Rosen.... 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 13 Author Posted February 13 40 minutes ago, T master said: He is a huge part of that reason the Bills are winners no one can dispute that, but if you remember this is a "Team" sport ! You take away the O line and where is Josh, this season if the D didn't get the picks they did (which was their only strength this season) and give the ball back to Josh as much as they did he wouldn't have as many opportunity's to score . How many OL are Beane picks vs FA. We are talking about his drafting and inability to scout DL, WR etc. Quote
Brand J Posted February 15 Posted February 15 In honor of Tommy Doyle’s retirement, here are some notable picks that went after him in the 5th round (#161) of the 2021 draft: #162: TE Noah Gray (KC) #167: CB Nate Hobbs (LV) #168: TE Zach Davidson (MIN) #172: CB Deommodore Lenoir (SF) #173: DT Tedarrell Slaton (GB) #175: S Jason Pinnock (NYJ) #180: S Talanoa Hufanga (SF) What a lucky round for the 49ers and a tough break for the Bills. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 (edited) On 2/12/2025 at 9:55 AM, FireChans said: Josh Allen just won MVP because he dragged this crew to the AFCCG. The league has spoken. They aren’t underrating this roster, you are overrating it. Lamar also has multiple MVPs with rosters stacked with pro bowl players The league doesn't know how to judge MVP let's be real They switch criteria yearly and have zero consistency.. Josh Allen won the award because he could have won two or three times and he deserves it This isn't a bottom 5 10 or 15 roster And we lost a lot of veteran starters and it was supposed to be a somewhat learning year.. and we still did really good The future is still bright On 2/12/2025 at 2:15 PM, Magox said: If the Bills don’t have Allen’s successor while he’s on the roster, they could blow it all up the year he leaves, cut players and take the massive debt hit the year after which probably would lead to a high draft pick to go after your next franchise QB. That was the problem with the years that the Bills were in playoff purgatory, they were rarely one of the worst 8 teams and were always just mediocre and it seemed like they were drafting in that 10-14 range. They couldn’t land their franchise QB. Josh is going to be here for the next 10 years so what are we talking about his successor lol Edited February 15 by Buffalo716 Quote
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