This is now on Beane, no question he needs to step up.

[Magox]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Lamar also has multiple MVPs with rosters stacked with pro bowl players 

 

The league doesn't know how to judge MVP let's be real 

 

They switch criteria yearly and have zero consistency.. Josh Allen won the award because he could have won two or three times and he deserves it 

 

This isn't a bottom 5 10 or 15 roster

 

And we lost a lot of veteran starters and it was supposed to be a somewhat learning year.. and we still did really good 

 

The future is still bright 

Josh is going to be here for the next 10 years so what are we talking about his successor lol

You misunderstood what we were saying.  The context of it all is that you can continue pushing out huge cap hits no matter how long he stays as QB until whenever the end is determined and once it’s over you can blow it all up.

[LabattBlue]

On 2/10/2025 at 12:30 PM, SoonerBillsFan said:

I figure if he becomes more Cerebral and doesn't run as much, Josh has 8 more great years.  That said, Beane doesn't hit on this offseason, I DO believe Terry makes a move. 9 years of not getting it done is enough, esp with Sean making changes on his end.

No one including myself has any idea how much input McD has in terms of FA, draft and roster construction, so be careful when kicking Beane to the curb, that part of the problem may still remain.  
 

 

IMO…my hunch is McD has a lot more say than most believe. 

Edited February 15 by LabattBlue

[Einstein]

10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

it was supposed to be a somewhat learning year.. and we still did really good 

 

This false narrative needs to go.

 

It was only supposed to be a “learning” year for the media. That’s it.

 

No one inside the organization had any goal other than Super Bowl.

[SoonerBillsFan]

On 2/10/2025 at 9:21 AM, SoonerBillsFan said:

  Beane has been average on his drafts and horrible at evaluation of DL.  I have to wonder if we need a change in our scouts? 

 

For all our (esp. My) ripping of McDermott it seems he gets that we need a change and is making coaching changes/ Adds to back that. So what's left?  Beane MUST do better in his evaluation of talent and who he picks.  We all saw what McClusky and BTJ did this year vs Coleman, that is a miss for me.  He picked a bad DL who is  no longer here vs a guy who became an all pro center. There are way too many instances of this.

 

McDermott has always wanted pressure from the front 4 so he can do more on the back end, and it is a MUST this offseason. Ill just say it, another average to bad draft, and we need to re evaluate our GM position with this team.

 

That said, I really hope he starts hitting, we all like him, but he needs to step up.  

This is ugly...

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rookie-grades-ranking-each-2024-draft-class-from-nos-1-to-32

[Jrb1979]

3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

This is ugly...

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rookie-grades-ranking-each-2024-draft-class-from-nos-1-to-32

It is very ugly. IMO it stems from how Beane and McDermott view the draft. Most teams take BPA in the first 2 rounds cause thats how you find the playmakers and elite talent. Instead the Bills staff focus on culture and scheme fit. 

[The Jokeman]

11 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

This is ugly...

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rookie-grades-ranking-each-2024-draft-class-from-nos-1-to-32

Imagine that drafting at the bottom of the draft and get bottom of the draft production.

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Imagine that drafting at the bottom of the draft and get bottom of the draft production.

Have low expectations and you’ll never be disappointed…

[Jrb1979]

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Imagine that drafting at the bottom of the draft and get bottom of the draft production.

Imagine that, the Superbowl losing team, a division winning team and this Super Bowl champ who had a better record than the Bills last season all had better drafts. 

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

Imagine that, the Superbowl losing team, a division winning team and this Super Bowl champ who had a better record than the Bills last season all had better drafts. 

Reading his review all he did is dog Keon. To be honest I think Davis, Carter and Carrington made impacts. Were they amazing? No but again look where we were drafting them.

5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Have low expectations and you’ll never be disappointed…

It's more like realistic expectations and recognizing that sometimes some players have better stats because of opportunity vs pure talent alone.

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Reading his review all he did is dog Keon. To be honest I think Davis, Carter and Carrington made impacts. Were they amazing? No but again look where we were drafting them.

The 49ers, Eagles and Ravens all were in the same position and all had better drafts. Draft position is a cop out. 

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

 

It's more like realistic expectations and recognizing that sometimes some players have better stats because of opportunity vs pure talent alone.

I expect them to outdraft their position…

 

Edit - I will say though that 1 year is too early to make any definitive assessments of a draft class…

 

 

Edited February 15 by Aussie Joe

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

The 49ers, Eagles and Ravens all were in the same position and all had better drafts. Draft position is a cop out. 

Better drafts how? Was Ricky Pearsal better than Coleman? Was Rasheen Ali and Shipley better than Ray Davis? 

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

I expect them to outdraft their position…

 

Edit - I will say though that 1 year is too early to make any definitive assessments of a draft class…

 

 

I agree with your edit.

[finn]

9 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

It is very ugly. IMO it stems from how Beane and McDermott view the draft. Most teams take BPA in the first 2 rounds cause thats how you find the playmakers and elite talent. Instead the Bills staff focus on culture and scheme fit. 

I've noticed the same thing. A talent-first approach might have led Beane to take Humphrey over Basham, McConkey over Coleman, and maybe even LaPorta over Kincaid, whom Beane might have taken because Allen liked him. 

 

With the 2024 class considered, Beane's overall record as a talent evaluator is not looking good at all. Maybe he needs to follow McDermott's lead and overhaul his staff. Unless the problem is not his staff but his own judgment. 

[CincyBillsFan]

31 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

This is ugly...

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-rookie-grades-ranking-each-2024-draft-class-from-nos-1-to-32

Interesting that only Bishop & Davis got a couple of positive comments from the rankings.  I didn't know Bishop had 10 tackles in the Championship game.

 

 

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Interesting that only Bishop & Davis got a couple of positive comments from the rankings.  I didn't know Bishop had 10 tackles in the Championship game.

 

 

While those players were good, they really didn't have an impact like other teams drafted players did.  Did anyone take time to read the write-up on the other teams?

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

It is very ugly. IMO it stems from how Beane and McDermott view the draft. Most teams take BPA in the first 2 rounds cause thats how you find the playmakers and elite talent. Instead the Bills staff focus on culture and scheme fit. 

I'm gonna say yes and no.  It's not drafting for need that's an issue, it's picking thr wrong players.

 

If you have a great OL, and a crap DL you don't take OL because it's the BPA.  

 

But I get your point, sometimes it's not black and white.

1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Imagine that drafting at the bottom of the draft and get bottom of the draft production.

Other team teams have drafted low and done well. It comes down to evaluation, which Beane hasn't been great at.

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

This false narrative needs to go.

 

It was only supposed to be a “learning” year for the media. That’s it.

 

No one inside the organization had any goal other than Super Bowl.

Every single team in the NFL has a goal of the super bowl lol

 

Even the worst place team from the year before .. the Redskins picked second and went to the NFC championship game lol

 

When you lose all the players we did it's certainly is a learning year for a lot of players.. notice I didn't say rebuild 

 

But it is a learning year.. when you lose 2 safeties who have been here for 7 years, our number one wide receiver, our starting center for the last 6 years , technically also lost our number two receiver who another NFL team gave 14 or 15 million a year to... 

 

Going to a physically talented player like McGovern he hasn't played center in years... Keon Coleman was learning on the fly... Our two safeties were learning how to play together consistently, Allen was learning new receivers , Joe Brady was morphing his offense first full year

 

That's a lot of players with a lot of starts to replace... Like I expected to win the AFC East 

 

To say you didn't expect a learning curve is straight up ridiculous... And again you make it sound like I said straight up rebuild lol

 

I said somewhat of a learning year which when you have all those new players it is

 

You only gain experience playing.. we had lots of players learning on the job that's a fact 

 

And that's going to come with ups and downs

 

 

 

 

Edited February 15 by Buffalo716

[finn]

4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Interesting that only Bishop & Davis got a couple of positive comments from the rankings.  I didn't know Bishop had 10 tackles in the Championship game.

 

 

Tyler Grable might end up starting at left tackle in a few years, along with SVPG at center. Bishop and Coleman will be starters next year, and Davis is already an important piece on offense. Too early to tell for the rest of the picks, but already that's not a terrible class. A lot depends on Coleman. He looked like a different player after his injury, like he lost the will to go get the ball, rendering him pretty much useless out there. If he turns it around, and even if one of the later picks--Solomon or Carter, for instance--contributes, this might end up to be a very nice draft indeed. I think Bishop will be a force. 

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, finn said:

Tyler Grable might end up starting at left tackle in a few years, along with SVPG at center. Bishop and Coleman will be starters next year, and Davis is already an important piece on offense. Too early to tell for the rest of the picks, but already that's not a terrible class. A lot depends on Coleman. He looked like a different player after his injury, like he lost the will to go get the ball, rendering him pretty much useless out there. If he turns it around, and even if one of the later picks--Solomon or Carter, for instance--contributes, this might end up to be a very nice draft indeed. I think Bishop will be a force. 

In terms of starters and culture it's been a good draft. It still lacks, like most drafts in elite talent. 

[JaCrispy]

God, this thread is so depressing- because it’s all true…😢