This is now on Beane, no question he needs to step up.

[SoonerBillsFan]

  Beane has been average on his drafts and horrible at evaluation of DL.  I have to wonder if we need a change in our scouts? 

 

For all our (esp. My) ripping of McDermott it seems he gets that we need a change and is making coaching changes/ Adds to back that. So what's left?  Beane MUST do better in his evaluation of talent and who he picks.  We all saw what McClusky and BTJ did this year vs Coleman, that is a miss for me.  He picked a bad DL who is  no longer here vs a guy who became an all pro center. There are way too many instances of this.

 

McDermott has always wanted pressure from the front 4 so he can do more on the back end, and it is a MUST this offseason. Ill just say it, another average to bad draft, and we need to re evaluate our GM position with this team.

 

That said, I really hope he starts hitting, we all like him, but he needs to step up.  

[DJB]

Beane really needs to start hitting on those early picks. It’s been his drafting downfall. 
 

If we trade the picks for an impact player like Crosby or Garrett I’d be ecstatic. If not he needs to pick a stud DL with that first . 

[Logic]

I agree.

Beane has been good at hitting singles and doubles and even the occasional triple his whole GM career, but he too rarely hits homeruns. 

The Bills don't have enough difference makers. Don't have enough "very good to elite" players. Sure, he drafts guys that stick around the league and are in the "pretty good to good" category. But he doesn't draft enough KILLERS.

And no, the "we pick too late in every draft" thing is not an excuse, and I hate when Beane says any version of it.

I like Brandon Beane overall as a GM, but I agree: When it comes to evaluating college talent and drafting, Brandon Beane needs to step it up, ESPECIALLY in rounds 1 and 2.

Edited 9 hours ago by Logic

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

  Beane has been average on his drafts and horrible at evaluation of DL.  I have to wonder if we need a change in our scouts? 

 

For all our (esp. My) ripping of McDermott it seems he gets that we need a change and is making coaching changes/ Adds to back that. So what's left?  Beane MUST do better in his evaluation of talent and who he picks.  We all saw what McClusky and BTJ did this year vs Coleman, that is a miss for me.  He picked a bad DL who is  no longer here vs a guy who became an all pro center. There are way too many instances of this.

 

McDermott has always wanted pressure from the front 4 so he can do more on the back end, and it is a MUST this offseason. Ill just say it, another average to bad draft, and we need to re evaluate our GM position with this team.

 

That said, I really hope he starts hitting, we all like him, but he needs to step up.  

Its simple. Beane needs to stop trying to outsmart every other GM and pick a consensus defensive lineman from the top 10.

 

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/DL/1/2025

 

 

[Yobogoya!]

12 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

McDermott has always wanted pressure from the front 4 so he can do more on the back end, and it is a MUST this offseason. Ill just say it, another average to bad draft, and we need to re evaluate our GM position with this team.

 

I don't think there's a coach in the game who doesn't ask his GM to find pass rushers who can do their job at a high level, lol. 

 

What we don't know as fans is to what extent Beane is catering to McDermott's vision. McD is a genuinely good dude, and he seems to covet players who are also good dudes. At the least, he likes high leadership, work ethic, minimal off field antics, etc...

 

Is Beane taking premium talent completely off his board because he knows McD won't put up with their behavior? Ie, is there ANY point in the 2023 draft where Beane is comfortable taking Jalen Carter, or is a guy like that basically invisible to this regime? 

 

And that's not to say you can't pick up premium talent who are also decent human beings, but I do wonder pretty frequently lately if Beane is operating with a hand behind his back because he has to worry about finding "process approved" talent first and foremost. 

[K D]

We need a pass rush but we also need to not have our secondary 10 yards off the receivers!!! That's on McDermott 

[Jerome007]

I admit yesterday it was almost a shock to see both defenses. KC's defense played well for 3 quarters, and all year, really. The Cheaps' O was barely average all year expect... against the Bills.  The Eagles created huge QB pressure with just the 4 DLinemen, that was the surprise of the game IMO. And we can't expect that in one year. But wow, the Bills D, especially the DLine, looks weak compared to the two we saw yesterday. Or the Ravens for that matter.

 

Our offense is great though. The OLine, running backs...and the MVP. Yes, yes, one good WR could change things. But that's quite impressive. Just one would open up everything more, and yet the O is already the strength. It's the D that is weak. I know here the complaining was that all the picks went mostly to the D. Well, it needs to happen... again.

 

Oh, it's a good thing we will change special teams coach too!

[TH3]

31 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

  Beane has been average on his drafts and horrible at evaluation of DL.  I have to wonder if we need a change in our scouts? 

 

For all our (esp. My) ripping of McDermott it seems he gets that we need a change and is making coaching changes/ Adds to back that. So what's left?  Beane MUST do better in his evaluation of talent and who he picks.  We all saw what McClusky and BTJ did this year vs Coleman, that is a miss for me.  He picked a bad DL who is  no longer here vs a guy who became an all pro center. There are way too many instances of this.

 

McDermott has always wanted pressure from the front 4 so he can do more on the back end, and it is a MUST this offseason. Ill just say it, another average to bad draft, and we need to re evaluate our GM position with this team.

 

That said, I really hope he starts hitting, we all like him, but he needs to step up.  

I am sure he reads this forum and will take note

[SoonerBillsFan]

6 minutes ago, TH3 said:

I am sure he reads this forum and will take note

He better, if not there will be a sign with his name on it!! LOL

[Peter]

I hope that the Bills draft BPA rather than draft players sooner than they should be drafted because of "need."  

 

We saw how that worked out when there was so much pressure to draft a CB a few years ago.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

I hope that the Bills draft BPA rather than draft players sooner than they should be drafted because of "need."  

 

We saw how that worked out when there was so much pressure to draft a CB a few years ago.

Its not drafting for need thats the issue, its drafting the WRONG players

[SoCal Deek]

The Bills have obviously been very good over the past five plus seasons….but they seem exceptionally stubborn with their defensive scheme. On offense they have Josh Allen, who can paper over most deficiencies. On defense however they seem fixated on doing it ‘their way’. It simply hasn’t worked. Is it the players? I honestly don’t think so. It’s the scheme that they’re drafting players to fit into. 

Edited 8 hours ago by SoCal Deek

[Nephilim17]

I had a lot of respect for Beane but my patience is wearing thin. He's drafted some good players but no consistent difference makers on the D line or as outside WR. 

I don't expect Pegula to can Beane (or McD) if 2025 ends in disappointment for those reasons but — if so — I would think getting a new GM is fair to consider.

Josh is in the middle of his prime. He's not going to be all-world for 12 more years. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

I don't think there's a coach in the game who doesn't ask his GM to find pass rushers who can do their job at a high level, lol. 

 

What we don't know as fans is to what extent Beane is catering to McDermott's vision. McD is a genuinely good dude, and he seems to covet players who are also good dudes. At the least, he likes high leadership, work ethic, minimal off field antics, etc...

 

Is Beane taking premium talent completely off his board because he knows McD won't put up with their behavior? Ie, is there ANY point in the 2023 draft where Beane is comfortable taking Jalen Carter, or is a guy like that basically invisible to this regime? 

 

And that's not to say you can't pick up premium talent who are also decent human beings, but I do wonder pretty frequently lately if Beane is operating with a hand behind his back because he has to worry about finding "process approved" talent first and foremost. 

 

Beane is all in on process guys too. Trust me coach and GM are in total alignment on that. 

 

I fear you might be right on Jalen Carter though. The 8 NFL GMs who let that guy get to 9 (even in a decent top 10) should hang their heads in shame.

10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The Bills have obviously been very good over the past five plus seasons….but they seem exceptionally stubborn with their defensive scheme. On offense they have Josh Allen, who can paper over most deficiencies. On defense however they seem fixated on doing it ‘their way’. It simply hasn’t worked. Is it the players? I honestly don’t think so. It’s the scheme that they’re drafting players to fit into. 

 

Disagree. I think it is the players and then the last two years (particularly this year) I think the gameplanning and the playcalling and the adjustments have been questionable. That is distinct from the scheme, but more the way they are trying to execute it.

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I had a lot of respect for Beane but my patience is wearing thin. He's drafted some good players but no consistent difference makers on the D line or as outside WR. 

I don't expect Pegula to can Beane (or McD) if 2025 ends in disappointment for those reasons but — if so — I would think getting a new GM is fair to consider.

Josh is in the middle of his prime. He's not going to be all-world for 12 more years. 

I figure if he becomes more Cerebral and doesn't run as much, Josh has 8 more great years.  That said, Beane doesn't hit on this offseason, I DO believe Terry makes a move. 9 years of not getting it done is enough, esp with Sean making changes on his end.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Disagree. I think it is the players and then the last two years (particularly this year) I think the gameplanning and the playcalling and the adjustments have been questionable. That is distinct from the scheme, but more the way they are trying to execute it.

Gunner, it’s all a bit of semantics. I look at a guy like Epenesa. He was a beast at Iowa playing against elite offensive line Big Ten opponents. After drafting him the Bills immediately changed his body type and tried to make him into something he isn’t. Likewise with Oliver….they went for a smaller DT hoping he’d become the next Aaron Donald. In both cases they’ve force fed their ‘smaller dude’ scheme onto the players they’ve selected. Then add in the complete swing and miss with Elam and Basham and you’ve got a total mess on your hands. It’s been pretty bad! 

[billsfan714]

1 hour ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

I don't think there's a coach in the game who doesn't ask his GM to find pass rushers who can do their job at a high level, lol. 

 

What we don't know as fans is to what extent Beane is catering to McDermott's vision. McD is a genuinely good dude, and he seems to covet players who are also good dudes. At the least, he likes high leadership, work ethic, minimal off field antics, etc...

 

Is Beane taking premium talent completely off his board because he knows McD won't put up with their behavior? Ie, is there ANY point in the 2023 draft where Beane is comfortable taking Jalen Carter, or is a guy like that basically invisible to this regime? 

 

And that's not to say you can't pick up premium talent who are also decent human beings, but I do wonder pretty frequently lately if Beane is operating with a hand behind his back because he has to worry about finding "process approved" talent first and foremost. 

Yeah I hate when people say he's not a Buffalo guy or wouldnt fit with McD.    DeWayne Carter may have been a team captain, but he was inactive in the playoffs.  Cole Bishop maybe a great guy, but if wasnt for injury he would not have started in games.   And both they're highlight reels from year 1 would very short.  Get me some dogs on defense, I could care less if they were eagle scouts.

[Yobogoya!]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Beane is all in on process guys too. Trust me coach and GM are in total alignment on that. 

 

I fear you might be right on Jalen Carter though. The 8 NFL GMs who let that guy get to 9 (even in a decent top 10) should hang their heads in shame.

 

Yeah, I suppose if there was a big divide between McD/Beane we would have heard some sort of rumbling out of the rumor mill by this point. 

 

But I hope they do some deep self-scouting about the "process" this offseason and figure out how to be more flexible with their priorities. 

 

I mean hell, you have Josh Allen who is going to win you 9-11 games by sheer willpower alone... you can AFFORD to swing and miss on a high ceiling, high risk prospect. If a Jalen Carter is there for you to take, you can afford to weather it if he doesn't pan out. 

 

We can't afford to swing and miss on the Boogie Basham's of the world. What's that guy's ceiling? What's the best case scenario with a day 2 pick like that one? With Josh Allen, there's no reason not to put a premium on talent and go big, because he'll probably get you to the playoffs anyway. 

[zow2]

I'm done being all hyped up over the Bills regular season point differential.  I thought the Eagles were a good team this season, maybe 2nd best in the NFC...but I did not buy the media hype that Philly had the best roster top to bottom.  I just saw too many games where the Eagles barely squeaked by with low scoring wins over teams like New Orleans, Cleveland, Jax, Carolina,,,,and lost to ATL and Tampa.  

 

All the flashy regular season scoring by Buffalo is nice, but will not correlate with winning a Super Bowl.  By draft and free agency....Beane needs to complement the O with some really good and motivated defensive pieces.  The Bills D can't rely on turnovers alone in the playoffs.  

[SCBills]

On Offense, I'm pretty happy with what Beane has built when the only addition any of us are really clamoring for is adding a speed/separator on the outside. 

 

Kincaid is a mixed bag, who many of us would be fine trading, and that is an unfortunate issue with changing OC's frequently.  Drafted for Dorsey, but now Knox is the better TE for the Offense we want to run.. and two TE's plus Shakir is just clunky.

 

Defense is a mess.  Schematically, talent, injuries... it's just not working.  I'm not just hoping for adding a big piece and some tweaking.  I want a revamp on that side of the ball.  I'm hopeful with some of the coaching changes that we may get that.  The next piece is Beane realizing like Philly did, that one year deal vets on the DL won't get the job done and you need, need, NEED to hit on your picks (Carter, Davis, Sweat, DeJean, Mitchell etc)