wppete Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 2 hours ago, DeltaDigital said: to be fair, roseman built a stud defense in 1 off season cause he didn't sign washed up pass rushers to 45 billion dollar contracts Very true. Roseman has done an incredible job. Again, cant say the same for Beane. Beane and McDermott hit the jackpot getting Josh Allen. If it wasn’t for Josh McBeane would be long gone. 2 2 Quote
JP51 Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 3 hours ago, Logic said: Watching the game last night made one thing abundantly clear: the Bills' defensive line has, thus far, been the primary factor preventing them from winning a Lombard in the McDermott/Allen era. It's not just that the Eagles pressured Mahomes on over 50% of his dropbacks and gave him a career high in sacks. It's the WAY they did it. Straight four man rush with zone coverage behind it. Not a SINGLE blitz all game long. Of course, there's a little more to it than that. Vic Fangio is an elite defensive mind. But the principles were simple: Play disciplined zone coverage in the back seven, cause havoc with your front four. Don't blitz. It should also be a FAMILIAR strategy. If Sean McDermott had his way, it's how the Bills defense would play every single game. It's the exact strategy that, in an ideal world, he would employ full time. The only problem is that the Bills don't have the defensive line that the Eagles have, so employing this strategy does not typically lead to the same results. Yes, the Chiefs o-line was injured and bad this year. Nevertheless, in BOTH Mahomes-led Chiefs Super Bowl losses, the primary reason for their defeat was an ass kicking DL across from them, kicking their butts, down after down. We know the Bills have been sinking resources into the DL year after year, and without great results to show for it. We must resist falling into the "sunk cost fallacy" and saying "hey, we tried that, it didn't work, can't keep doing it". On the contrary, the Bills MUST keep doing anything and everything to build a great defensive line. The Eagles invested premium draft picks in their DL year after year after year, until it became what it is today. The Bills cannot give up. They need to keep swinging. Going all the way back to the Giants defense beating the unstoppable Patriots in that Super Bowl, to the Bucs beating the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and now to the Eagles absolutely shellacking them last night. The evidence is clear. You want to beat an elite, all time great QB and offensive mind? Build an ass-kicking defensive line. The Bills need DeWayne Carter and Javon Soloman to hit. They need a fearsome 1T. They need to take a swing on a Garrett or a Crosby or a Sweat. But regardless of HOW they do it, one thing is clear: fixing the defensive line should be the Bills' top priority this offseason. Their penetration from the DL allowed them to press man... eliminate the quick throw and derail the run game... the fact of the matter is it was consistent pressure coming from the entire DL especially up the middle... WR breaking off routes kept DBs shallow and helped eliminate Mahomes from big runs.. it all starts there... didnt hurt that they have a really good secondary and Cooper DeJean is a really good safety... bottom line is the Bills couldnt play that game.. because we got no where with a 4 man rush... he still has time and can beat you all over the field with us having a C minus secondary... A game wrecker is what we need and a monster 1T... 1 Quote
DeltaDigital Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, wppete said: Very true. Roseman has done an incredible job. Again, cant say the same for Beane. Beane and McDermott hit the jackpot getting Josh Allen. If it wasn’t for Josh McBeane would be long gone. hundred percent. if you read these boards, they're unflappable in the eyes of MANY here... when reality is, they've done more to hurt a once in a lifetime qb's chances at more than 1 ring. 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: IT's not like the Eagles haven't swung and missed, they just aren't afraid to keep doing it...like when they drafted WR Jalen Reagor the pick before Justin Jefferson. also not afraid to switch coaches. yes, even superbowl winning ones. 1 1 Quote
nedboy7 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 3 hours ago, klos63 said: For all that football has changed over the years, you can't win consistently without great line play on both sides of the ball. That's never changed. Well, we win consistently. Despite the narrative on this board about how every move they make is *****. 2 1 1 Quote
klos63 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago Just now, nedboy7 said: Well, we win consistently. Despite the narrative on this board about how every move they make is *****. We've had mostly good line play, when healthy. Also, this season, our defense had a lot of turnovers, that helped hide many of our shortcomings on defense. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 6 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Well, we win consistently. Despite the narrative on this board about how every move they make is *****. We win constantly because of Josh Allen.... 1 1 Quote
Augie Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 8 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: We win constantly because of Josh Allen.... He is certainly the biggest factor, but not the only factor. Quote
nedboy7 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 17 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: We win constantly because of Josh Allen.... This is just an oversimplification in my view. I get it. Some on here hate the team. They are ok liking a player if he’s generational. Our OL is pretty good. Our RB. It’s lazy takes to claim we win cause of one player. 1 Quote
Buddy Hix Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago Beane deserves the criticism…his roster sucks. But don’t let McD off the hook. Why doesn’t anyone on the line develop? Why can’t we get even a sniff of Mahommes with 4 or even 5 rushers. Our coaching and scouting are not good. We’re just lucky that 17 is all world. 2 Quote
26TrapDraw Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Let’s hope McBean are in the office today talking about mimicking the eagles defense and what it will take to make it happen. I think the eagles showed us how to beat the chiefs which is what we can’t seem to do. Our offense can score. Our defense as presently constructed isn’t gonna work. Quote
JohnNord Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 6 hours ago, DeltaDigital said: Passing on dejean trading down for coleman will = Whiter over ngata. Dudes gonna have a gangster career and 0 Could have been had in the 4th along with troy frankin. AJ is fairly useless, 50 at times looks like a baby deer that cant find his footing. Imagine oliver doesnt disappear for months at a time, and what happened to Daquon Jones? ... our roster is just not championship caliber outside 17. and that responsibility lies directly with Brandon Beane. Enough of this high motor BS. BPA. ALWAYS. Cooper plays NCB. Are you going to take Taron Johnson off the field? If you want to lament the Coleman pick after year 1…. T’Vondre Sweat or Ladd McConkey seem to have been the missed opportunities Quote
DeltaDigital Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Cooper plays NCB. Are you going to take Taron Johnson off the field? If you want to lament the Coleman pick after year 1…. T’Vondre Sweat or Ladd McConkey seem to have been the missed opportunities oh wow. I didn't realize dejean was a corner. I always thought he was a saftey... oops. I stand corrected. Sweat, McConkey were the picks. Edited 11 hours ago by DeltaDigital Quote
Buffalo716 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: Beane deserves the criticism…his roster sucks. But don’t let McD off the hook. Why doesn’t anyone on the line develop? Why can’t we get even a sniff of Mahommes with 4 or even 5 rushers. Our coaching and scouting are not good. We’re just lucky that 17 is all world. James Cook just broke OJ Simpson's rushing touchdown record lol we have a really good offensive line Probably top five tackles at each spot.. Spencer Brown might become the best right tackle in the world in the next season or 2.. Literally drafted Matt Milano in the sixth round and turned them into an All-Pro.. Christian Benford in the sixth round became a good football player... Is Josh Allen clearly the best football player on our team? Yes Can you win 13 games consistently like we've been doing with one player? No lol Can you beat the Ravens in the playoffs with one player? No lol We've drafted guys like Dane Jackson in the 7th round and Levi Wallace undrafted and got these guys second contracts with other NFL teams.. we took castaway from the worst browns team in the NFL and Jordan poyer turned into an all pro ... This board was panicking when we lost Edmunds and Terrell Bernard stepped in and didn't miss a beat Our coaches are really good at developing talent.. maybe beane has been taking the wrong defensive lineman to develop 1 Quote
JohnNord Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 8 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said: oh wow. I didn't realize dejean was a corner. I always thought he was a saftey... oops. I stand corrected. Sweat, McConkey were the picks. Yeah the reason he fell was because there were concerns about whether he could play as a traditional boundary corner. I’m just pretty down on the Coleman pick after what I saw toward the end of the season. Really hope he surprises us. 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: James Cook just broke OJ Simpson's rushing touchdown record lol we have a really good offensive line Probably top five tackles at each spot.. Spencer Brown might become the best right tackle in the world in the next season or 2.. Literally drafted Matt Milano in the sixth round and turned them into an All-Pro.. Christian Benford in the sixth round became a good football player... Is Josh Allen clearly the best football player on our team? Yes Can you win 13 games consistently like we've been doing with one player? No lol Can you beat the Ravens in the playoffs with one player? No lol We've drafted guys like Dane Jackson in the 7th round and Levi Wallace undrafted and got these guys second contracts with other NFL teams.. we took castaway from the worst browns team in the NFL and Jordan poyer turned into an all pro ... This board was panicking when we lost Edmunds and Terrell Bernard stepped in and didn't miss a beat Our coaches are really good at developing talent.. maybe beane has been taking the wrong defensive lineman to develop To say that the coaching and roster sucks is patently wrong. As you pointed out they’ve been very successful. Where I think you can criticize is finding high end talent at a few key positions - specially DL and WR. I did think this roster lacked talent overall but to win 13 games was quite the accomplishment 2 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 4 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Yeah the reason he fell was because there were concerns about whether he could play as a traditional boundary corner. I’m just pretty down on the Coleman pick after what I saw toward the end of the season. Really hope he surprises us. To say that the coaching and roster sucks is patently wrong. As you pointed out they’ve been very successful. Where I think you can criticize is finding high end talent at a few key positions - specially DL and WR. I did think this roster lacked talent overall but to win 13 games was quite the accomplishment That's fair Quote
DeltaDigital Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 10 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Yeah the reason he fell was because there were concerns about whether he could play as a traditional boundary corner. I’m just pretty down on the Coleman pick after what I saw toward the end of the season. Really hope he surprises us. To say that the coaching and roster sucks is patently wrong. As you pointed out they’ve been very successful. Where I think you can criticize is finding high end talent at a few key positions - specially DL and WR. I did think this roster lacked talent overall but to win 13 games was quite the accomplishment the bills win despite the talent desparity and mcdermotts horrific in game decisions. 17 is the MVP for that reason alone. 2 pro bowlers. 1 not named allen. does mcdermott get the most out of bums? yes. does he poopie his wittle pants on the biggest of stages? yes. Only way to win a lombardi is to make the roster mcdermott proof. JA17 will do the rest. Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: This is just an oversimplification in my view. I get it. Some on here hate the team. They are ok liking a player if he’s generational. Our OL is pretty good. Our RB. It’s lazy takes to claim we win cause of one player. Don't ever acuse me of hating this team ned...I've been supporting them long before you were even born. 1 1 Quote
folz Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago I'm totally on board with fixing the D-line. A stud pass rusher and some beef in the middle would go along way, imo. I think Carter is going to develop well. But it looks like Daquan may be at the end. Everyone else is good to very good or still an unknown, but very little to no consistent high-end play. I think we all knew that the defense would take a step back this year, especially when Milano got hurt again. The defense held their own pretty well this year, but let's not forget that it was without Poyer, Hyde, Tre, Milano, Floyd, Dodson, Siran Neal, Dane Jackson, Shaq Lawson, Tim Settle, Poona Ford, Linval Joseph, AJ Klein. Now I know it was time to move on from most of those guys (not bad decisions), but that is a lot of experience in this defense that walked out the door. I mean 12 defensive players left the building (and another was out most of the year) and we didn't really have the resources this year to improve on the talent (or experience) that was leaving the building (even if that talent was old or mediocre). As I said, I don't think any of those guys would have made a difference this year, but we've talked so much about the loss of Diggs and Davis, but there was a much bigger turnover on the defense. Creating a much bigger transition year on that side of the ball. I think the defense will be a big priority for the team this year in free agency and the draft. Also, over the last three years, the Chiefs and Eagles represent 5 of the 6 teams that have made the Super Bowl (the 49ers are the only other team to appear in a SB over the last three years). So, I thought that I would look at some defensive rankings of those two teams versus the Bills over those three seasons, just to see where we stack up (not sure if anything can be made of it though): 2024 Points allowed Yards allowed Sacks Pressures Chiefs #4 #9 #19 #15 Eagles* #2 #1 #14 #7 Bills #11 #17 #18 #13 2023 Chiefs* #3 #2 #2 #10 Eagles #30 #26 #19 #15 Bills #4 #9 #4 #9 2022 Chiefs* #16 #11 #2 #1 Eagles #8 #2 #1 #3 Bills #2 #6 #15 #13 * Super Bowl winner And just FYI, team defensive rankings since 2009: Year Fangio defenses McDermott defenses Points Yards Points Yards 2009 --- --- #10 #11 2010 --- --- #9 #5 2011 #4 #14 #20 #11 2012 #4 #3 #18 #8 2013 #3 #14 #4 #12 2014 #22 #15 #23 #12 2015 #21 #16 #1 #5 2016 #28 #12 #25 #25 2017 #20 #26 #21 #29 2018 #4 #5 #18 #30 2019 #21 #25 #9 #24 2020 #29 #26 #5 #8 2021 #17 #17 #1 #1 2022 --- --- #1 #3 2023 #5 #2 #4 #5 2024 #2 #2 #3 #9 AVG 13.8 13.6 10.8 12.4 Sean's defenses were top 10 in points allowed 10 times in the last 16 years. His defense has been top 10 in yards allowed 8 times in the last 16 years. Vic's defenses were top 10 in points allowed 6 times in 13 of the last 16 years. His defenses have been top 10 in yards allowed 4 times in 13 of the last 16 years. I know our defense has not fared so well in the playoffs of late, and that is most of people's issues with Sean's defense. I'm just pointing out these rankings because I think sometimes the grass looks greener in the neighbor's yard. Or, we take for granted what we do have. Some Bills fans act like Fangio is the greatest defensive mind ever and McDermott sucks. As for playoffs, since Fangio came back to the league as defensive coordinator in 2011, their playoff records look like this: Fangio: 8-5, 4 Championship game appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances (1 win, 1 loss). Fangio's teams (as HC or DC) missed the playoffs 7 times over that span. McDermott: 10-10, 3 Championship game appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance (loss). McD's teams (as HC and DC) missed the playoffs 4 times over that span. Prior to this season's playoffs, Fangio (since 2011) was 5-5, 3 Championship game appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance (loss). Almost identical to McD...just fewer overall playoff games. From 2015-2023, their playoff records were: McD: 9-8, 2 Championship game appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance (loss), 2 years missed playoffs Vic: 0-2, 0 Championship game appearances, 0 Super Bowl appearances, 6 years missed playoffs And if we add in this year, from 2015-2024: McD: 11-9, 3 Championship game appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance (loss), 2 years missed playoffs Vic: 3-2, 1 Championship game appearance, 1 Super Bowl appearance (win), 6 years missed playoffs. I know I'll probably be called a Homer for this post...and I'm not saying McDermott is better than Fangio...just pointing out that the gap probably isn't as big as some people think. Quote
nedboy7 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Don't ever acuse me of hating this team ned...I've been supporting them long before you were even born. It is not towards you specifically. It's also not an accusation. It's an obvious observation of what I see on here. Bean sucks, McD sucks, the only reason we are winning is Josh. Do we have any good players? Nah. Just some scrubs that Josh carries on his back. These comments show certain fans dont like the team. Sure they like the "Bills" and the uniforms. But there are many on here who do not appreciate the players and the complexity of what goes into an organization that is one of the best since McBean has arrived. People think just cause Josh is a special talent any moron can put a team next to him to win it all. I do not agree with this take. Edited 9 hours ago by nedboy7 1 Quote
Carmel Corn Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 8 hours ago, wppete said: Our Defense is nowhere close to Phillys defense. Its going to take years to build a defense like Phillys. I don't think we ever will have that kind of a defense because McBeane doesn't believe in the Eagle's concept of defense vs. their own (failed) strategy. 1 Quote
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