Anyone on the Bills you think could be traded?

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

1. Kincaid broke the Bills reception record for a TE his rookie. So yeah he doesn't get targeted.

 

2/3. His age isn't a factor these next two seasons we have him under contract.

 

4. Not all TEs are great blockers. George Kittles are an exception in the modern NFL not the rule.

 

5. Dawson Knox got over paid, maybe Beane will learn from it? 

 

6./7./8./9. What TE do you propose that we can get that's significantly better?

 

9. PS Even with his low TD number we still have had a top 6 scoring offense the last 2 seasons. 

 

 

Give me Knox, Davidson and Morris.  I'm fine with that because Allen throws to WR's and RB's.  Just because Dorsey wanted all these Tight Ends doesn't mean we need to continue with it.  He'd rather bring in Alec Anderson than play two tight ends.

 

You talk about Kincaid breaking the Bills reception record, but we have been mostly terrible at TE for most of our history, so...

 

If Kincaid can bring back a Day 2 Pick or be used in a blockbuster trade, I'm 100% doing it.  He's a good player with upside that is a square peg/round hole in our Offense.   It is what it is. 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah Spotrac is projecting Cook at 4 years $40M.   That's not bad value if he continues his upward trajectory(and can start playing 3rd downs) but I think these kind of contracts are the reason Beane doesn't ever have much cap room to work with.   The White, Milano, Knox deals that have backfired.  They have a bunch of similarly "good" players who are all coming due for extensions this offseason or they will hit free agency after 2025 so the obvious trade candidates are:

 

Benford

Bernard

Cook

Rousseau

Shakir

 

Bernard wouldn't have much value so I think you ride it out with him but I'm not inclined to extend ANY of them so with that being the case,  the right trade situations make sense.

 

For all those asking “why” this is the point.

 

If you’re not willing to do some surgery on the roster to get elite talent then you are not going to be in the running for Garrett, Crosby or anyone else that becomes available. 
 

Because Beane’s model has been retain his own - Oliver, Milano, Knox, Jones - there isn’t cap space to re-sign the list above and simply trade draft assets for these elite players. 
 

Beane’s drafting quality and overall build model has paid good (not great) players and left the team cap strapped. 

[ColoradoBills]

49 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Why are people here trying to subtract some of our better players.  Beane trades excess depth or players who don’t fit or players made expendable by other moves.  He isn’t trading Groot.  
 

The players who fit his usual criteria are Elam and AJE.  
 

The whole point of acquiring someone like Garrett is to balance the line and bring pressure from both sides.  Teams will no longer be able to concentrate their blocking schemes to stop Groot.  Getting Garrett or Crosby but then trading Groot may save some cap but hurts the value of getting Garrett or Crosby.  There are other places to save money.  

 

 

Agree with all your points.  

 

Nothing major has to be decided on the offense this season with the exception of bringing in another WR.

Don't mess with that side of the ball.  Josh needs to have Kincaid and Samuel in his pocket throughout the summer.

Getting Brady to work these guys into the system is paramount.

 

Get the big pass rusher on D and don't worry about extending anyone just yet.  Give it another year.

Add some lower $ FAs and hit on a Day 3 pick or 2 will help the D a lot.

 

Now is not the time to blow everything up.

 

Edited 14 hours ago by ColoradoBills

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

For all those asking “why” this is the point.

 

If you’re not willing to do some surgery on the roster to get elite talent then you are not going to be in the running for Garrett, Crosby or anyone else that becomes available. 
 

Because Beane’s model has been retain his own - Oliver, Milano, Knox, Jones - there isn’t cap space to re-sign the list above and simply trade draft assets for these elite players. 
 

Beane’s drafting quality and overall build model has paid good (not great) players and left the team cap strapped. 

 

 

Yeah it was telling last offseason when Bills fans were shocked that they released a bunch of CLEARLY washed up veterans.   The Bills have largely avoided the kind of mass free agent losses that other long time contenders have.  That surgery is the kind of thing that has to be done for the good of the franchise.   Teams like the Chiefs and Ravens have been in their competitive window considerably longer and have sacrificed a lot of good players to the market in free agency or trade.   That's the way it has to be.

[Low Positive]

I can tell the people on here who live in WNY and follow the NHL closely. The fact is that player for player trades are pretty rare in the NFL. It is almost player for picks trades due to how the salary cap works. We can all name a few trades that involved players going in both directions (Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton comes to mind), but they are the exception not the rule. For example, if the Bills trade for Myles Garrett it will be all picks going in the other direction. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think anyone is untouchable minus Allen, Dawkins and Brown.  

It's only Allen.  Everyone can be bought at the right price except him imo.  Guys I wouldn't trade away unless a team made such an outlandish offer we couldn't refuse would be Dawkins, Brown, Oliver, T. Johnson, and Benford.

[wppete]

4 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Either Kincaid or Knox. If we aren’t going to play a two TE offense (we’re clearly not), it’s dumb to have both of them on the roster.

I think you are right. Im think its Knox considering his contract. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Something along the lines of a 2nd, 4th and Kincaid for Crosby and Mayer.

 

I think Mayer would fit this team better. 

 

 

[glazeduck]

Absolutely need to be creative and aggressive in trades this offseason -- that's how we're going to improve the talent on this roster.

• Since we're staring down the barrel of giving him a ton of money, arguably undeserved, anyway, use Groot to upgrade to Garrett. Hard to imagine other teams are going to be able to beat a young and still talented DE plus, say a 1 and a 2...
• Could we do the same with Keon? I'm not saying I don't love the guy's personality, but if we could add a future 1 to Keon, might that get us into the discussion for an AJ Brown or Garrett Wilson?
• Yes to trading Kincaid for any value we can -- beyond not playing 2 TEs, Shakir, Cook, and to a lesser degree, Samuel all render him irrelevant.
• Benford, if the value is right, could make some sense as well -- especially if we're shifting to more of a man scheme (or we could move him to safety, in that case), but another guy who's lining up for a big payday. Can we get value for him instead of paying him AND avoid another square peg/round hole schematic fit at the same time?

Absolutely none of these trades will happen because Beane is a conservative GM. But they should absolutely be explored...

 

[gonzo1105]

The most obvious answer is Kaiir Elam for a bag of balls 

[SectionC3]

35 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I can tell the people on here who live in WNY and follow the NHL closely. The fact is that player for player trades are pretty rare in the NFL. It is almost player for picks trades due to how the salary cap works. We can all name a few trades that involved players going in both directions (Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton comes to mind), but they are the exception not the rule. For example, if the Bills trade for Myles Garrett it will be all picks going in the other direction. 

DJ Moore says hi.  

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

I think Kincaid is the easy one. Has some value left, disappointing overall etc etc. 

 

I was adamant about not drafting a TE that year after paying Knox, but, if they were going to then Kincaid at least made sense as more of a receiving weapon.  And I do know for a fact they called the Chargers trying to trade up higher which the belief was they were after Addison, but Chargers had no interest in trading their pick.  

 

But, I think Knox is a good starting TE and a complete TE.  He had 15 TD's despite his low target volume the 2 years prior to drafting Kincaid.  

 

Knox vs Kincaid:

- Spread the ball, everybody eats offense, Knox is fully capable of being a starting TE. 

- Feature the TE as a primary pass catcher, then I think you stick with Kincaid who has more upside in that role.

 

And seems we are going to remain an "everybody eats" type team after the record setting and MVP season we had this year on our way to the 16th best offense in NFL history.  So, that would make trading Kincaid something to consider if the right package was there.

 

That being said, I think it is really doubtful he gets traded based on the reasons below:

1. We have a lot of extra draft picks already, we don't "need" more picks
2. We don't have a ton of big holes this year, maybe the fewest in the Allen era with most the important people returning 
3. Kincaid is on a rookie deal, so trading him isn't some massive cap savings. 
4. We are coming off a season with a historic offense and an MVP for Allen, doubt they are thinking about taking away from it rather than just looking to add a downfield threat.  
5. Kincaid played hurt a lot of the season and dealt with nagging knee issues, they likely aren't looking at him as if he underperformed or is expendable.  

I have a hard time seeing Beane trade him for picks, we don't "need" them, especially since Kincaid is a cost effective weapon on a rookie deal.  

 

So what else is out there?  I mean Bills chatter seems mostly centered around 3 potential big trades in Crosby, Garrett, or DK (none of which are even confirmed available).  Raiders have no interest in another TE, and Browns are not likely going to want players back if they trade Garett, so neither makes any sense there.  That leaves just DK really (Kupp and Deebo make no sense for us as they don't bring what we need at the WR position, which is outside deep threat), and that would still need to assume Seattle wanted him and Beane was willing to include him.

 

IMHO, I think there is almost no chance Kincaid gets moved.  Not impossible by any means, and not saying I wouldn't.  Just saying I would be surprised if it actually happened for those reasons above.  

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

The obvious simple answer is to draft really well. The Bills have somewhat painted themselves into a corner with less than stellar selections and are between a rock and hard place to now have to consider extensions for some rather average to slightly above average talent. So someone in the that Scouting Department had to be made aware that the franchise is depending on them to do an exceptional job this offseason. 

I have no confidence in our scouting dept. and this trickles down to Beane. Look at how poorly we did our homework on Basham, Epenesa, Elam. Even Kincaid and Rousseau have been to some degree disappointing. I'm all for good selective trades but I'm not down for extending underperforming players. If we're relying on our scouting dept., I'm nervous. 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I was adamant about not drafting a TE that year after paying Knox, but, if they were going to then Kincaid at least made sense as more of a receiving weapon.  And I do know for a fact they called the Chargers trying to trade up higher which the belief was they were after Addison, but Chargers had no interest in trading their pick.  

 

But, I think Knox is a good starting TE and a complete TE.  He had 15 TD's despite his low target volume the 2 years prior to drafting Kincaid.  

 

Knox vs Kincaid:

- Spread the ball, everybody eats offense, Knox is fully capable of being a starting TE. 

- Feature the TE as a primary pass catcher, then I think you stick with Kincaid who has more upside in that role.

 

And seems we are going to remain an "everybody eats" type team after the record setting and MVP season we had this year on our way to the 16th best offense in NFL history.  So, that would make trading Kincaid something to consider if the right package was there.

 

That being said, I think it is really doubtful he gets traded based on the reasons below:

1. We have a lot of extra draft picks already, we don't "need" more picks
2. We don't have a ton of big holes this year, maybe the fewest in the Allen era with most the important people returning 
3. Kincaid is on a rookie deal, so trading him isn't some massive cap savings. 
4. We are coming off a season with a historic offense and an MVP for Allen, doubt they are thinking about taking away from it rather than just looking to add a downfield threat.  
5. Kincaid played hurt a lot of the season and dealt with nagging knee issues, they likely aren't looking at him as if he underperformed or is expendable.  

I have a hard time seeing Beane trade him for picks, we don't "need" them, especially since Kincaid is a cost effective weapon on a rookie deal.  

 

So what else is out there?  I mean Bills chatter seems mostly centered around 3 potential big trades in Crosby, Garrett, or DK (none of which are even confirmed available).  Raiders have no interest in another TE, and Browns are not likely going to want players back if they trade Garett, so neither makes any sense there.  That leaves just DK really (Kupp and Deebo make no sense for us as they don't bring what we need at the WR position, which is outside deep threat), and that would still need to assume Seattle wanted him and Beane was willing to include him.

 

IMHO, I think there is almost no chance Kincaid gets moved.  Not impossible by any means, and not saying I wouldn't.  Just saying I would be surprised if it actually happened for those reasons above.  

 

 

I don’t think you need to trade Kincaid for picks necessarily. I think you would package him where he would have more value to the team receiving him in a player trade.
 

Of course, the 3 teams I would like to trade him to, the Seahawks, the Raiders and the Browns all have big money TE’s but still lol. Is Kincaid and a second better than 2 seconds for DK? 
 

Beane’s language against Kincaid I thought was pretty strong tbh.

Edited 13 hours ago by FireChans

[BananaB]

26 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Something along the lines of a 2nd, 4th and Kincaid for Crosby and Mayer.

 

I think Mayer would fit this team better. 

 

 

What makes you think the Raiders want Kincaid after the season Bowers just had

[SoCal Deek]

Does it seem to anyone else that the Bills are always reacting to what they perceive to be the next trend? We went and got Kincaid because we thought that TEs would be all the rage after the Patriots and Chiefs had success there. We went small on the D Line because we thought containing and corralling the next round of mobile QBs would be the 'thing'. We got Edmunds because an athletic MLB was going to be the answer to BOTH of the above listed trends. Now, I have no idea what the next thing is going to be, but I really wish the Bills would set the trend instead of always seeming to be reacting to it.

Edited 13 hours ago by SoCal Deek

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I don’t think you need to trade Kincaid for picks necessarily. I think you would package him where he would have more value to the team receiving him in a player trade.
 

Of course, the 3 teams I would like to trade him to, the Seahawks, the Raiders and the Browns all have big money TE’s but still lol. Is Kincaid and a second better than 2 seconds for DK? 
 

Beane’s language against Kincaid I thought was pretty strong tbh.

 

Don't get me wrong, I would trade Kincaid for sure in a package for DK.  But Seattle would need to want him and want to pair him with Fant, which is possible, but I still think thats probably not gonna be the case.  And of course Raiders and Browns definitely aren't interested in Kincaid if they move Crosby or Garrett when they have stud TE's and can get multiple premium picks for their elite pass rushers.   

 

So that is where I am at...where does Kincaid trade makes sense?  The big scenarios most proposed about the Bills don't really seem to make sense for Kincaid to be in the packages for said players.

 

What did Beane say about Kincaid?  I have been so busy, I missed that.

 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Don't get me wrong, I would trade Kincaid for sure in a package for DK.  But Seattle would need to want him and want to pair him with Fant, which is possible, but I still think thats probably not gonna be the case.  And of course Raiders and Browns definitely aren't interested in Kincaid if they move Crosby or Garrett when they have stud TE's and can get multiple premium picks for their elite pass rushers.   

 

So that is where I am at...where does Kincaid trade makes sense?  The big scenarios most proposed about the Bills don't really seem to make sense for Kincaid to be in the packages for said players.

 

What did Beane say about Kincaid?  I have been so busy, I missed that.

 

Yeah that’s the problem all 3 teams have TEs.

 

maybe there’s someone out there who would want him. Chiefs if Kelce retires? (I kid).

 

anyway, BB said, "He's going to have to continue to work on his play strength. He's not as built and muscular as, let's just say, Dawson is, and so that's one of the nuances of this game," said Beane. "In college you don't play 17 games plus playoffs, so building your body up to withstand what it takes.”

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

maybe there’s someone out there who would want him. Chiefs if Kelce retires? (I kid).

 

Hahahaha you better duck 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I was adamant about not drafting a TE that year after paying Knox, but, if they were going to then Kincaid at least made sense as more of a receiving weapon.  And I do know for a fact they called the Chargers trying to trade up higher which the belief was they were after Addison, but Chargers had no interest in trading their pick.  

 

But, I think Knox is a good starting TE and a complete TE.  He had 15 TD's despite his low target volume the 2 years prior to drafting Kincaid.  

 

Knox vs Kincaid:

- Spread the ball, everybody eats offense, Knox is fully capable of being a starting TE. 

- Feature the TE as a primary pass catcher, then I think you stick with Kincaid who has more upside in that role.

 

And seems we are going to remain an "everybody eats" type team after the record setting and MVP season we had this year on our way to the 16th best offense in NFL history.  So, that would make trading Kincaid something to consider if the right package was there.

 

That being said, I think it is really doubtful he gets traded based on the reasons below:

1. We have a lot of extra draft picks already, we don't "need" more picks
2. We don't have a ton of big holes this year, maybe the fewest in the Allen era with most the important people returning 
3. Kincaid is on a rookie deal, so trading him isn't some massive cap savings. 
4. We are coming off a season with a historic offense and an MVP for Allen, doubt they are thinking about taking away from it rather than just looking to add a downfield threat.  
5. Kincaid played hurt a lot of the season and dealt with nagging knee issues, they likely aren't looking at him as if he underperformed or is expendable.  

I have a hard time seeing Beane trade him for picks, we don't "need" them, especially since Kincaid is a cost effective weapon on a rookie deal.  

 

So what else is out there?  I mean Bills chatter seems mostly centered around 3 potential big trades in Crosby, Garrett, or DK (none of which are even confirmed available).  Raiders have no interest in another TE, and Browns are not likely going to want players back if they trade Garett, so neither makes any sense there.  That leaves just DK really (Kupp and Deebo make no sense for us as they don't bring what we need at the WR position, which is outside deep threat), and that would still need to assume Seattle wanted him and Beane was willing to include him.

 

IMHO, I think there is almost no chance Kincaid gets moved.  Not impossible by any means, and not saying I wouldn't.  Just saying I would be surprised if it actually happened for those reasons above.  

 

 

It burnt a hole through Beane’s head last year when he didn’t have a 3rd Rounder entering the Draft.

 

It was one of the primary reasons he made that trade with Kansas City for the 3rd-Round pick swap.

 

He’s constantly moving around the board with small trade ups and downs - the fact that he traded for Hines, Douglas and Cooper - the last two for 3rds means you need capital.