The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[JP51]

43 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

How does a broken bone in his wrist explain how he can't run faster to create separation against New England backup corners? 

 

How does a broken bone in his wrist explain his coaching staff thinking the only way to use him is a low percentage fade - despite playing him at a 60% snap count?

 

Didnt say it did..  I am saying Coleman pre injury ran a more complete route tree than Worthy and that they were more willing to put him into traffic... that they shyed away from doing that to Worthy because of his size... ironically it was Coleman that got hurt and after the injury he was derailed and pretty much useless.. either he wouldnt or they wouldnt send him in to traffic to make plays after the injury and he was was simply not good... the Bills themselves agreed FWIW...

 

Funny thing is I do not in any way disagree with your premises... I do not think he is ever going to create speed separation, he is going to need to become more effective at route running... clearly gonna need to become more of a professional... the fade I like in his game but as you are saying certainly isnt a steady diet type of play..  My suspicion is that he will be much much closer to James Hardy than to Andre Reed or Moulds.... to use two polar examples... but the bottom line to me is that this is year 1... I am not ready to condemn or declare a winner in any trade after year 1... you may be... thats fine... I would prefer to see year 2 and maybe 3... 

Edited 14 hours ago by JP51

[Pete]

17 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

#1 - There is zero chance Cooper DeJean can play CB in this league. Ze-ro.

#2- Safeties are a dime a dozen in the modern NFL, WR's are not. That is the reason Coleman was taken before DeJean.

#3- You have no idea whatsoever what we have in Cole Bishop yet.

#4- If their situations were reversed and Dejean had suffered an injury during the Bills camp that set him back, you would currently be lamenting the fact that the Bills had taken him when they could have instead taken a WR and had Cole Bishop 20 picks later.

 

1- he plays nickel for the Eagles.   In college he played CB and S

2-true.  But I’m sure you would rate Kyle Hamilton higher.  Cooper has Hamilton ability.  Cooper reminds me of a faster Urlacher.

3- we draft BPA, we draft Cooper, and there would be no need for Bishop.  Safety spot filled, we can draft BPA now, or trade back.  DT, Edge, WR, CB, RB can be filled 2nd and the rest of our picks.

4-not true.  Injuries can happen to anyone.  It’s one reason I value draft picks.

 

Beane was in a tough spot.  There were no feasible #1 WR options available in FA.  We were desperate for WR, because cupboard was bare from bargain shopping WRs for years.

 

We were in cap hell, and had many starter and roster spots to fill.

2023 we needed WR- and there was a huge run at WR by our selection.  Beane wanted to add pass catcher for Josh.  I’m guessing Dalton was rated higher on board than any available WR.  So Beane trades up for Dalton.  

 

2024 we were desperate for quality WRs.  Again, no good options FA.  24 draft there were 4 WR tier one.  And then a big drop off, with many similarly WR ratings.

So we had the first pick, day 2.  Every GM reset their boards, and had all night to think about best players available for their team.  I am certain Beane turned down several trade back offers.  Beane declined all offers, and took his guy, Keon.

 

We can go visit old draft threads.  Me, and many banged table for Cooper or Ladd.  I also liked Adonai Mitchell, who has speed, and can line up outside.  Bills need an X WR, and Keon is not an X.  Hindsight is proving us right.

 

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[Sojourner]

JFC. People can’t help themselves? 
 

The guy put all his stat line up in essential garbage time. The score was 34-0…

 

If he was that good the difference would have been visible prior to the end of the third quarter. 
 

He has Mahomes and Reid. That makes up for a lot. 
 

Stop doing this to yourselves lol

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

12 hours ago, Bills Costa Rica said:

Save the flaming please but Worthy just looks special. 
 

Beane needs to really reevaluate his willingness to give our biggest rival the player they wanted.
 

I know this has been hashed and re-hashed but it’s such a huge black eye for this organization.

What is the silver lining here? 

Worthy is a faster Isiah McKenzie. He benefited from an elite QB. I do like his style and it would be nice to have him on the Bills. I will get flamed for this, but I’m still glad we picked Keon Coleman. Both had similar receiving stats with Keon being in a much more crowded WR room. Worthy will never be a #1, he is not Tyreek Hill, Hill is built much bigger than Worthy and a generational player. As far as Coleman, he has the potential to be a true #1. Speed is not everything. Ask Rice, Boldin, Fitzgerald, or TO. He just needs to become a more crisp route runner and keep building chemistry w/ Allen. People are so impatient when it comes to rookies.  550 and 4 TDs is SOLID for a rookie. I would be more worried if he was buried on the depth chart like Elam. I remember when Bernard was deemed a wasted pick by 75% of this board. Give a guy time to learn the NFL

 

edit: you can’t teach speed, but you also can’t teach size either 

Edited 14 hours ago by ChronicAndKnuckles

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

There is no way he has the hips or feet to play out on the corner in this league; the athletes are too good and the offenses too quick.

I think you misunderstood me. I’m surprised he can play any CB spot in the NFL due to his hips. I think the only reason he saw success at NB was because he was almost always in zone. I thought he’d be a safety in the NFL. 

Edited 12 hours ago by BarleyNY

[YoloinOhio]

The chiefs should have taken an OL in the first. Worthy isn’t a WR1. Both of these observations/opinions have nothing to do with the Bills trading the chiefs their pick. These do - I would not have been pleased with the Bills selecting worthy in the 1st round. I do not yet know if Keon was a good pick in the 2nd. At this point in time, which is early, the Bills should have stayed put and taken a DL in the first. And that has nothing to do with trading with the  chiefs specifically.

 

basically I think the whole trade is overblown bc of the teams involved when in reality it cant intelligently be viewed that simply.

Edited 14 hours ago by YoloinOhio

[86poker]

Jesus you guys are overreacting to this super bowl performance

 

He had 2rec 9 yds at 34-0 lol

[Chaos]

Many people seem to miss the point. No one is arguing that Worthy was good yesterday. A number of people are pointing out Worthy is one reason the Chiefs played yesterday and the Bills did not.  This point is not arguable.  It is factual. 

[SCBills]

Take away everything and just focus on the big talk from the Draft. 
 

We let KC take Worthy and we sat back and took Coleman. 
 

Who knows how these two look in Year 2, but I can say with a lot of confidence that we would’ve beaten KC if we took Worthy. 
 

His speed on the outside, even if just situationally, was the only glaring hole we had on Offense.. and in a game where we lost a close one down to the wire, 1 or 2 Worthy plays and the inability to play 1 high safety primarily may have made all the difference. 

[Thrivefourfive]

2 hours ago, 86poker said:

Jesus you guys are overreacting to this super bowl performance

 

He had 2rec 9 yds at 34-0 lol

Better than Coleman in the AFCCG

[zow2]

2 hours ago, 86poker said:

Jesus you guys are overreacting to this super bowl performance

 

He had 2rec 9 yds at 34-0 lol

 

I'm gonna guess that dude was likely available on several first half plays... but credit the Eagles DLine for making Mahomes as uncomfortable as he's ever been and not getting a chance to look downfield.

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Worthy was ALWAYS a better player than Coleman. A lot of people here didn’t want to believe it but that was always the case. It was a mistake at the time and a much bigger mistake now. Let’s hope Coleman develops into a quality player. I don’t see him ever being a difference maker but he could be Gabe Davis.

If rashee can stay out of trouble, they could be a fun pair for Andy Reid 

 

that’s a huge if though

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The chiefs should have taken an OL in the first. Worthy isn’t a WR1. Both of these observations/opinions have nothing to do with the Bills trading the chiefs their pick. These do - I would not have been pleased with the Bills selecting worthy in the 1st round. I do not yet know if Keon was a good pick in the 2nd. At this point in time, which is early, the Bills should have stayed put and taken a DL in the first. And that has nothing to do with trading with the  chiefs specifically.

 

basically I think the whole trade is overblown bc of the teams involved when in reality it cant intelligently be viewed that simply.

 

 

If there were a re-draft Keon Coleman would go in about the same spot as he did.   Maybe exactly the same spot.    There were some players the Bills passed on who could have been better and they would have gone earlier.   Others worse and would have gone later.  But 19.2 yards per catch 556 yards and 4 TD isn't anything to sneeze at for an early second rounder.  I'd actually rank that over Kincaid's much overhyped rookie year.  He caught a lot of passes but for a pathetic 9 yards per catch.   He was also 24 as a rookie.  Coleman is a project but he's young and has plenty of upside.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Take away everything and just focus on the big talk from the Draft. 
 

We let KC take Worthy and we sat back and took Coleman. 
 

Who knows how these two look in Year 2, but I can say with a lot of confidence that we would’ve beaten KC if we took Worthy. 
 

His speed on the outside, even if just situationally, was the only glaring hole we had on Offense.. and in a game where we lost a close one down to the wire, 1 or 2 Worthy plays and the inability to play 1 high safety primarily may have made all the difference. 

Everyone said Worthy could hold up physically in the NFL, but didn't miss a snap because of injury this year and he was largely injury-free at NUniv. of Texas, despite very heavy usage.  He's going to be a problem for a long time...thanks, Beane. 

[Albany,n.y.]

Let's not forget there were other draft choices involved in the 2 trade downs and the final results will be more than just Worthy v Coleman.