The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[JP51]

27 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I'm sorry....did you see the Bills draft board rankings in person? 

 

Keon appeared to be a better WR prior to his injury.....he looked legit good at times 

Dont disagree 0 looked closer to an every down receiver than 1 injury derailed... ironic part is we thought it was Worthy that was gonna get beat down..  but they do take great care not to put him in that situation. 

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, QCity said:

Worthy played a big part in ending our season. As I said in the other thread, if you still think this trade worked out in our favor your homer goggles are so thick you can't see the game objectively. 

if not worthy it would have just been someone else. Our defense was terrible this year and had problems with good offenses all season. 

5 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

How can anyone say that with certainty?

No one can say anything with 100% certainty but it was highly likely. 

[MrEpsYtown]

10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

With McDermott philosophy, are you sure DeJean would've played before Hamlin/Rapp?

 

Yeah probably not, but that's a whole other issue altogether. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Well this is one of the reasons that Beane should be on the hot seat. 

 

While its fair to wonder why this Front Office didn't value 4.21 speed from a major SEC program, it's not just Worthy, it's the indifference they've shown towards WR since Beane arrived and doubling down on that indifference every year. 

 

Once again the WR group is in shambles - Cooper is a FA, Hollins is a FA. Leaving Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir and Keon Coleman. 

 

On average, this means Beane will pick through the low-end FA trash for a WR, and draft a WR no earlier than the 4th-Round - because that's what he's done every year except the 2020 1st-Round trade for Diggs, and the 2024 2nd-Round pick of Coleman. 

 

2018 - Ray Ray McCloud (6th) - Not here, Austin Proehl (7th) - Not here

2019 - None

2020 - Diggs (1st) - Not here, Davis (4th) - Not here, Hodgins (6th) - Not here

2021 - Stevenson (6th) - Not here 

2022 - Shakir (5th)

2023 - Shorter (5th) - Not here

2024 - Coleman (2nd)

 

So I expect a journeyman WR (that includes Mack Hollins) and maybe a 6th Round pick. 

 

He sits there at every press conference incredulous that people ask him what he was thinking trading with the Chiefs, or the notion this team is PAPER THIN at WR again with an MVP QB that he drafted on the roster.   

 

WR and Defensive Line are the reasons Beane is failing and his actions show that he doesn't think it's a problem. It's not a problem that Duke Williams in your leading WR against Houston  in 2019 - fast forward to 2024 and Mack Hollins is your #1 playmaker against the Chiefs. 

 

 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Straight Hucklebuck

[Simon]

36 minutes ago, Pete said:

No, but I have a working brain.  Cooper DeJean was an elite Safety prospect.  His RAS score 9.85 is top notch.  Cooper athleticism stood out on tape.  Cooper can play CB or S, and he is great punt returner.  Tons of production, and zero flags.  There is not a GM who had Keon ranked higher than Cooper.  This is common sense

 

#1 - There is zero chance Cooper DeJean can play CB in this league. Ze-ro.

#2- Safeties are a dime a dozen in the modern NFL, WR's are not. That is the reason Coleman was taken before DeJean.

#3- You have no idea whatsoever what we have in Cole Bishop yet.

#4- If their situations were reversed and Dejean had suffered an injury during the Bills camp that set him back, you would currently be lamenting the fact that the Bills had taken him when they could have instead taken a WR and had Cole Bishop 20 picks later.

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

22 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Dont disagree 0 looked closer to an every down receiver than 1 injury derailed... ironic part is we thought it was Worthy that was gonna get beat down..  but they do take great care not to put him in that situation. 

How does a broken bone in his wrist explain how he can't run faster to create separation against New England backup corners? 

 

How does a broken bone in his wrist explain his coaching staff thinking the only way to use him is a low percentage fade - despite playing him at a 60% snap count?

 

[Process]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

#1 - There is zero chance Cooper DeJean can play CB in this league. Ze-ro.

#2- Safeties are a dime a dozen in the modern NFL, WR's are not. That is the reason Coleman was taken before DeJean.

#3- You have no idea whatsoever what we have in Cole Bishop yet.

#4- If their situations were reversed and Dejean had suffered an injury during the Bills camp that set him back, you would currently be lamenting the fact that the Bills had taken him when they could have instead taken a WR and had Cole Bishop 20 picks later.

 

Pretty sure he is playing nickel CB for the Eagles....not S

[Simon]

8 minutes ago, Process said:

Pretty sure he is playing nickel CB for the Eagles....not S

 

I wasn't referring to the inside Nickel role; I meant actual corner.

If Pete was passing off the nickelback as an actual corner, then he was being kinda shady to make a point, imo.

[BillsFan2313]

1 minute ago, Process said:

Pretty sure he is playing nickel CB for the Eagles....not S

 

He is a CB

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

He is a CB

 

He's not a cornerback, he's a nickelback.

It's a different role; see Taron Johnson.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Garbage time big shot!

[jaybills]

11 hours ago, Bills Costa Rica said:

Save the flaming please but Worthy just looks special. 
 

Beane needs to really reevaluate his willingness to give our biggest rival the player they wanted.
 

I know this has been hashed and re-hashed but it’s such a huge black eye for this organization.

What is the silver lining here? 

Dude is not that good, and for the last time, we weren't shopping for another small receiver. 

Edited 20 hours ago by jaybills

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Yet 90% of this board would’ve died if we didn’t take a WR- because the only way to beat KC is to outscore them a because KC is going to score on everyone when it matters.  Right?  Wrong.  
 

We needed more balance. we were all offense and no defense in a season in which we were supposed to have no offense…..because “it’s a passing league” and we don’t have WRs…..but we have an OL and dam good RBs and the best QB.  But that didn’t matter because we could stop a team that didn’t score 31 all season and allowed them to score more than they had all season

 

To be fair, and you're surely correct in your assertion, this board if full of idiots who should not be making decisions or handling sharp utensils.  I include myself in this before someone points that out for me

[BarleyNY]

21 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He's not a cornerback, he's a nickelback.

It's a different role; see Taron Johnson.

Pre-draft DeJean was projected to be a zone corner or safety. His most notable flaw was thought to be his fluidity which would limit him in man coverage. That makes his effectiveness as a nickel a bit of a surprise. His ability with his eyes toward the QB was thought to be his big asset. That obviously was on display in the SB. The Eagles could sit in zone behind a very effective 4 man rush. That put DeJean in throwing lanes over the MOF. 

Edited 20 hours ago by BarleyNY

[uticaclub]

11 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I promise, a 6”4 235 WR who runs a 4.6 will be available and Beane will make you forgot about all this 

Ya, cause we'll pass on him for 270lb DT

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Pre-draft DeJean was projected to be a zone corner or safety. His most notable flaw was thought to be his fluidity which would limit him in man coverage. That makes his effectiveness as a nickel a bit of a surprise. His ability with his eyes toward the QB was thought to be his big asset. That obviously was on display in the SB. The Eagles could sit in zone behind a very effective 4 man rush. That put DeJean in throwing lanes over the MOF. 

 

There is no way he has the hips or feet to play out on the corner in this league; the athletes are too good and the offenses too quick.

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Ya, cause we'll pass on him for 270lb DT

yeah but HIGH MOTOR and only played 1 YEAR OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL

 

could set your watch to this

[Pasaluki]

I know for sure I was hoping the Bills got a WR instead of any other position. 

 

I'm not going to retroactively say that the Bills messed up by not getting not DeJean. 

 

They really needed an impact WR who would produce right away. He didn't unfortunately.

They also needed an impact safety who would produce right away. He didn't unfortunately. 

 

Hopefully next year these players will mature and thrive

[LLCoolCy]

SIAP.

 

[st pete gogolak]

25 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Well this is one of the reasons that Beane should be on the hot seat. 

 

While its fair to wonder why this Front Office didn't value 4.21 speed from a major SEC program, it's not just Worthy, it's the indifference they've shown towards WR since Beane arrived and doubling down on that indifference every year. 

 

Once again the WR group is in shambles - Cooper is a FA, Hollins is a FA. Leaving Curtis Samuel, Khalil Shakir and Keon Coleman. 

 

On average, this means Beane will pick through the low-end FA trash for a WR, and draft a WR no earlier than the 4th-Round - because that's what he's done every year except the 2020 1st-Round trade for Diggs, and the 2024 2nd-Round pick of Coleman. 

 

2018 - Ray Ray McCloud (6th) - Not here, Austin Proehl (7th) - Not here

2019 - None

2020 - Diggs (1st) - Not here, Davis (4th) - Not here, Hodgins (6th) - Not here

2021 - Stevenson (6th) - Not here 

2022 - Shakir (5th)

2023 - Shorter (5th) - Not here

2024 - Coleman (2nd)

 

So I expect a journeyman WR (that includes Mack Hollins) and maybe a 6th Round pick. 

 

He sits there at every press conference incredulous that people ask him what he was thinking trading with the Chiefs, or the notion this team is PAPER THIN at WR again with an MVP QB that he drafted on the roster.   

 

WR and Defensive Line are the reasons Beane is failing and his actions show that he doesn't think it's a problem. It's not a problem that Duke Williams in your leading WR against Houston  in 2019 - fast forward to 2024 and Mack Hollins is your #1 playmaker against the Chiefs. 

 

 

 

You really want to know what has cost us MULTIPLE Super Bowls?  The 2019 draft.  Instead of Oliver, pick Wilkins, Simmons or Lawrence and we have a game wrecker in the middle of the D Line. Instead of Cody Ford, pick AJ Brown or Metcalf and we have quality boundary WR.  (As an added bonus, maybe next year we don’t trade for Diggs, we pick Jefferson or Higgins.). Of course, it’s all 20/20 hindsight but if it had turned out this way, tell me we wouldn’t have a championship or two.