The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, appoo said:

Then they wouldn't have added all that dead cap for this season. If the FO through they had a legit shot at winning a SB they wouldn't have traded Stefon Diggs.   The defense did better than expected, and Joe Brady and Allen turned in MVP seasons to drag this offense into being elite with 4 blue chip players in the two tackles, a RB and Josh having an MVP season. 

 

Keon was drafted becausde he could help this team make a super bowl in Year 2 and beyond

Well… they chose to rip the band aid off and cut players and add to the dead cap …and move on from Diggs …. I have no problem with either move..

 

They probably watched how Diggs was a non factor in 2023 after Brady took over mid season … they  also wanted to move as quickly as possible from his abuse of Josh for not getting enough targets ….

 

Having said that… Keon being the only WR they drafted was the wrong move …hence why they had to waste another third mid season on Cooper … 

[nuklz2594]

worthy will not remind anybody that is beebe or lofton. coleman reminds me of hardy. it wasnt rocket surgery...draft ladd to pair with shakir. they run precise routes and make plays.

beanie needs to stop thinking he is the smartest guy in the room

[Pete]

I’m not upset we traded with KC- I’m a fan of trading back and getting additional picks.  I’m disgusted we drafted Keon and DeWayne!  I like trading back, and I like drafting BPA.  Cooper DeJean was a top 15 player, who was available at our 2nd round pick.  Me, and most of TBD draft room were pounding the table for Ladd, or Cooper.  We are not pro scouts, and it’s obvious to us the Ladd or Cooper should of been the selection.

 

Instead we get plodding Keon(doesn’t One Bills Drive have a stop watch?).  We gained a 3rd round pick, let’s try and salvage this poor draft.  We draft another tomatoe can in DeWayne, who cannot even be active after his return.  Every other DT played reps over DeWayne.

 

2nd and 3rd round picks are premium, and we better use them wisely.  Last season Beane threw away those picks, and we barely got anything in return.  I like Beane, but he ***** up prime draft slots in 2024

 

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Pete

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

I’m not upset we traded with KC- I’m a fan of trading back and getting additional picks.  I’m disgusted we drafted Keon and DeWayne!  I like trading back, and I like drafting BPA.  Cooper DeJean was a top 15 player, who was available at our 2nd round pick.  Me, and most of TBD draft room were pounding the table for Ladd, or Cooper.  We are not pro scouts, and it’s obvious to us the Ladd or Cooper should of been the selection.

 

Instead we get plodding Keon(doesn’t One Bills Drive have a stop watch?).  We gained a 3rd round pick, let’s try and salvage this poor draft.  We draft another tomatoe can in DeWayne, who cannot even be active after his return.  Every other DT played reps over DeWayne.

 

2nd and 3rd round picks are premium, and we better use them wisely.  Last season Beane threw away those picks, and we barely got anything in return.  I like Beane, but he ***** up prime draft slots in 2024

I’m not upset we traded with KC- I’m a fan of trading back and getting additional picks.  I’m disgusted we drafted Keon and DeWayne!  I like trading back, and I like drafting BPA.  Cooper DeJean was a top 15 player, who was available at our 2nd round pick.  Me, and most of TBD draft room were pounding the table for Ladd, or Cooper.  We are not pro scouts, and it’s obvious to us the Ladd or Cooper should of been the selection.

 

Instead we get plodding Keon(doesn’t One Bills Drive have a stop watch?).  We gained a 3rd round pick, let’s try and salvage this poor draft.  We draft another tomatoe can in DeWayne, who cannot even be active after his return.  Every other DT played reps over DeWayne.

 

2nd and 3rd round picks are premium, and we better use them wisely.  Last season Beane threw away those picks, and we barely got anything in return.  I like Beane, but he ***** up prime draft slots in 2024

I’m not upset we traded with KC- I’m a fan of trading back and getting additional picks.  I’m disgusted we drafted Keon and DeWayne!  I like trading back, and I like drafting BPA.  Cooper DeJean was a top 15 player, who was available at our 2nd round pick.  Me, and most of TBD draft room were pounding the table for Ladd, or Cooper.  We are not pro scouts, and it’s obvious to us the Ladd or Cooper should of been the selection.

 

Instead we get plodding Keon(doesn’t One Bills Drive have a stop watch?).  We gained a 3rd round pick, let’s try and salvage this poor draft.  We draft another tomatoe can in DeWayne, who cannot even be active after his return.  Every other DT played reps over DeWayne.

 

2nd and 3rd round picks are premium, and we better use them wisely.  Last season Beane threw away those picks, and we barely got anything in return.  I like Beane, but he ***** up prime draft slots in 2024

I’m not upset we traded with KC- I’m a fan of trading back and getting additional picks.  I’m disgusted we drafted Keon and DeWayne!  I like trading back, and I like drafting BPA.  Cooper DeJean was a top 15 player, who was available at our 2nd round pick.  Me, and most of TBD draft room were pounding the table for Ladd, or Cooper.  We are not pro scouts, and it’s obvious to us the Ladd or Cooper should of been the selection.

 

Instead we get plodding Keon(doesn’t One Bills Drive have a stop watch?).  We gained a 3rd round pick, let’s try and salvage this poor draft.  We draft another tomatoe can in DeWayne, who cannot even be active after his return.  Every other DT played reps over DeWayne.

 

2nd and 3rd round picks are premium, and we better use them wisely.  Last season Beane threw away those picks, and we barely got anything in return.  I like Beane, but he ***** up prime draft slots in 2024

I’m not upset we traded with KC- I’m a fan of trading back and getting additional picks.  I’m disgusted we drafted Keon and DeWayne!  I like trading back, and I like drafting BPA.  Cooper DeJean was a top 15 player, who was available at our 2nd round pick.  Me, and most of TBD draft room were pounding the table for Ladd, or Cooper.  We are not pro scouts, and it’s obvious to us the Ladd or Cooper should of been the selection.

 

Instead we get plodding Keon(doesn’t One Bills Drive have a stop watch?).  We gained a 3rd round pick, let’s try and salvage this poor draft.  We draft another tomatoe can in DeWayne, who cannot even be active after his return.  Every other DT played reps over DeWayne.

 

2nd and 3rd round picks are premium, and we better use them wisely.  Last season Beane threw away those picks, and we barely got anything in return.  I like Beane, but he ***** up prime draft slots in 2024

I’m not upset we traded with KC- I’m a fan of trading back and getting additional picks.  I’m disgusted we drafted Keon and DeWayne!  I like trading back, and I like drafting BPA.  Cooper DeJean was a top 15 player, who was available at our 2nd round pick.  Me, and most of TBD draft room were pounding the table for Ladd, or Cooper.  We are not pro scouts, and it’s obvious to us the Ladd or Cooper should of been the selection.

 

Instead we get plodding Keon(doesn’t One Bills Drive have a stop watch?).  We gained a 3rd round pick, let’s try and salvage this poor draft.  We draft another tomatoe can in DeWayne, who cannot even be active after his return.  Every other DT played reps over DeWayne.

 

2nd and 3rd round picks are premium, and we better use them wisely.  Last season Beane threw away those picks, and we barely got anything in return.  I like Beane, but he ***** up prime draft slots in 2024

 

I’m not upset we traded with KC- I’m a fan of trading back and getting additional picks.  I’m disgusted we drafted Keon and DeWayne!  I like trading back, and I like drafting BPA.  Cooper DeJean was a top 15 player, who was available at our 2nd round pick.  Me, and most of TBD draft room were pounding the table for Ladd, or Cooper.  We are not pro scouts, and it’s obvious to us the Ladd or Cooper should of been the selection.

 

Instead we get plodding Keon(doesn’t One Bills Drive have a stop watch?).  We gained a 3rd round pick, let’s try and salvage this poor draft.  We draft another tomatoe can in DeWayne, who cannot even be active after his return.  Every other DT played reps over DeWayne.

 

2nd and 3rd round picks are premium, and we better use them wisely.  Last season Beane threw away those picks, and we barely got anything in return.  I like Beane, but he ***** up prime draft slots in 2024

 

Jeebus, we got your drift the first time you said it. 🤨

[Metal Man]

I've seen a handful of posts in this thread, and probably 100 more over the course of the season, crushing Beane for not trading up and picking Brian Thomas Jr.

 

Do we know for sure that he didn't try and and make a move to get somewhere above Jacksonville?

 

I'm asking honestly because so many people on the boards are so convinced that we had the chance to go up and get him, and just decided not to, that I am assuming that I missed an interview or something that confirmed this.

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, Metal Man said:

I've seen a handful of posts in this thread, and probably 100 more over the course of the season, crushing Beane for not trading up and picking Brian Thomas Jr.

 

Do we know for sure that he didn't try and and make a move to get somewhere above Jacksonville?

 

I'm asking honestly because so many people on the boards are so convinced that we had the chance to go up and get him, and just decided not to, that I am assuming that I missed an interview or something that confirmed this.

There was little chance of us trading up for Thomas.  We were coming off cap hell, and needed to replenish the roster.  Thomas was a pipe dream

We could of traded back, and drafted Cooper DeJean, and last year would of been successful draft

[BuffaloBillyG]

I couldn't care less about Worthy or that it was the Chiefs in particular we traded with. I have more of a problem with the overall process.

 

Typically, as Beane has eluded to in the past, Buffalo has a group of guys they would select. And they are reactive with that list. They watch it dwindle until there's one or two guys left and make a small jump to grab them if they must...like they did with Kincaid. In other words, they let those that select before them dictate which one they end up with. Last year I'd imagine when the Bills were on the clock they had a bunch of players left on their list and moved down knowing they would get one of them. 

 

I'd much rather identify the guy you want the most and move up and grab that dude. At the end of the day, the Chiefs identified who they wanted and went and got him. Had the Bills been aggressive and moved up about the same amount of spots the Chiefs did they are in Brian Thomas Jr. territory. 

[dorquemada]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I liked Worthy a lot but I’m looking at the draft and wishing we took Dejean or Braden Fiske. Not a WR.

 

This is the real issue.  Philly DL got home because their secondary wasn't leaving anyone open.  Dejean would have been a differencemaker

[GunnerBill]

I won a bet on Worthy and AJ Brown both to score!

 

Was the bright point of the night.

[Chaos]

To be fair the Bills offense blew away the Chiefs offense in the 2024-25 season.
 

The problem, from my perspective, is that the Bills don't draft guys they even expect to make immediate impacts.  Kindcaid and Coleman still need "development time".  Whereas the Chiefs seemed to think they could put the fastest guy in combine history on the field and make an impact his rookie season.

Frankyly with the benefit of hindsight the Bills did not need Coleman or Worthy, it needed Cooper DeJean. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Chaos

[streetkings01]

8 hours ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said:

The crucial difference is Reid. Worthy would not be the same receiver in Buffalo.  It’s not Worthy I’m wishing for, it’s Cooper DeJean as the difference maker in OUR defensive backfield. Coleman will be a nice player but he won’t impact the offense  the way DeJean would impact a defense.

DeJean in our system would’ve been a day 1 starter! 

[JGMcD2]

24 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I couldn't care less about Worthy or that it was the Chiefs in particular we traded with. I have more of a problem with the overall process.

 

Typically, as Beane has eluded to in the past, Buffalo has a group of guys they would select. And they are reactive with that list. They watch it dwindle until there's one or two guys left and make a small jump to grab them if they must...like they did with Kincaid. In other words, they let those that select before them dictate which one they end up with. Last year I'd imagine when the Bills were on the clock they had a bunch of players left on their list and moved down knowing they would get one of them. 

 

I'd much rather identify the guy you want the most and move up and grab that dude. At the end of the day, the Chiefs identified who they wanted and went and got him. Had the Bills been aggressive and moved up about the same amount of spots the Chiefs did they are in Brian Thomas Jr. territory. 

Jacksonville was not trading their pick with Brian Thomas Jr. still on the board, which meant moving up to 23 was never an option. The Chiefs only had to move up four spots, but for the Bills to get Thomas, they would have needed to move at least six.
 

The Eagles, picking at 22, had a major need at defensive back and every DB was still on the board. That means the Bills would have needed to jump seven spots, requiring a trade with Miami. But with Chop Robinson still available, would the Dolphins have been willing to move back that far? Beyond all that, we have hindsight in helping us, there were zero trades between picks 18 and 22—the exact range Brandon Beane would have needed to get into for Thomas. 

On another note, Beane only sits back when players are graded similarly. If there’s a clear top target in range, he always tries to move up, but it's not entirely in his control. 

Edited 17 hours ago by JGMcD2

[Buffalo_Stampede]

12 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

This is the real issue.  Philly DL got home because their secondary wasn't leaving anyone open.  Dejean would have been a differencemaker

They were sticky. Everything was tight early in the routes. Vs Buffalo the WRs were beating our DBs off the ball.

 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Buffalo_Stampede

[The Firebaugh Kid]

15 minutes ago, Chaos said:

To be fair the Bills offense blew away the Chiefs offense in the 2024-25 season.
 

The problem, from my perspective, is that the Bills don't draft guys they even expect to make immediate impacts.  Kindcaid and Coleman still need "development time".  Whereas the Chiefs seemed to think they could put the fastest guy in combine history on the field and make an impact his rookie season.

Frankyly with the benefit of hindsight the Bills did not need Coleman or Worthy, it needed Cooper DeJean. 

And when you discuss "difference makers", DeJean was always marked for greatness. Instead we reach for a WR who has a unique skill set but can't separate. 

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Probably … maybe  the Chiefs  should have taken an OL instead 

They took an OT in the 2nd and let's just say he was replaced by an OG.

[BananaB]

18 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

DeJean in our system would’ve been a day 1 starter! 

McD would have coddled him. It’s the Buffalo way at this point

[NewEra]

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, Chaos said:

To be fair the Bills offense blew away the Chiefs offense in the 2024-25 season.
 

The problem, from my perspective, is that the Bills don't draft guys they even expect to make immediate impacts.  Kindcaid and Coleman still need "development time".  Whereas the Chiefs seemed to think they could put the fastest guy in combine history on the field and make an impact his rookie season.

Frankyly with the benefit of hindsight the Bills did not need Coleman or Worthy, it needed Cooper DeJean. 

Yet 90% of this board would’ve died if we didn’t take a WR- because the only way to beat KC is to outscore them a because KC is going to score on everyone when it matters.  Right?  Wrong.  
 

We needed more balance. we were all offense and no defense in a season in which we were supposed to have no offense…..because “it’s a passing league” and we don’t have WRs…..but we have an OL and dam good RBs and the best QB.  But that didn’t matter because we could stop a team that didn’t score 31 all season and allowed them to score more than they had all season

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Yet 90% of this board would’ve died if we didn’t take a WR- because the only way to beat KC is to outscore them a because KC is going to score on everyone when it matters.  Right?  Wrong.  
 

We needed more balance. we were all offense and no defense in a season in which we were supposed to have no offense…..because “it’s a passing league” and we don’t have WRs…..but we have an OL and dam good RBs and the best QB.  But that didn’t matter because we could stop a team that didn’t score 31 all season and allowed them to score more than they had all season

I think we can agree, that none of the last three first picks, Elam, Kincaid and Coleman have  not been huge  contributers on the field. The pick prior to them, Gregory Rousseau had a decent year this year, but did not matter much for a couple of seasons.  On the Eagles, Cooper Dejean and Quinyon Mitchell  making meaningful contributions. 

Looking at the Bills, it just seems like one of two things must be true.  A- The Bills coaches don't have a plan to incorporate the players into an important part of the team as rookies or B-They were not very good picks.  Or a combination of both.

I think the truth leans more towards A than B.   I think this is potentially a meaningful handicap when comparing the top two teams each season to the top 8 teams each season. 

[Bruffalo]

Worthy didn't really do much of anything until garbage time. Despite having massive opportunity all season he really wasn't particularly impressive. 

 

I'm not saying Coleman was or will be significantly better. I'm just saying it remains to be seen ultimately who is the greater impact player on their respective team.